One way or the other

09-08-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Resident 2B

We, as one family, have decide to sell our water-front place on the lake and move on if this law becomes permanent.

This news elicits SEVEN Thank You's from your "friends"? Rather than try to enlighten you to the unreasonable extremity of your decision and try to convince you to reconsider, they are willing to let you jump on a grenade and are happy to sacrifice you for this noble cause with nothing but a "thank you for this useful post"? Good friends.
It's too bad though, if you really are one of those who boat safely, respect other boaters, and obey our boating laws (all of them), I wish you would reconsider. I would miss sharing the lake with you.

NoRegrets · 09-08-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elchase

This news elicits six Thank You's from your "friends"? Rather than try to enlighten you to the unreasonable extremity of your decision and try to convince you to reconsider, they are willing to let you jump on a grenade and are happy to sacrifice you for this noble cause with nothing but a "thank you for this useful post"? Good friends.
It's too bad though, if you really are one of those who boat safely, respect other boaters, and obey our boating laws (all of them), I wish you would reconsider. I would miss sharing the lake with you.

I do not think the thanks were for the last statement alone! They were for the total note that was painted by the posting. I do not like the idea that it takes laws to run and govern the lives of everyone. This is not a right vs left political issue in my mind. This is about control and ownership. This thread was to get a count of people for or against the current law. I am against it. Not a personal swipe at others opinions.

You are reading way to much between the lines of a simple "Thanks" for this posting! It does show how easy it is to jump to conclusions though.

chipj29 · 09-08-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by elchase

This news elicits six Thank You's from your "friends"? Rather than try to enlighten you to the unreasonable extremity of your decision and try to convince you to reconsider, they are willing to let you jump on a grenade and are happy to sacrifice you for this noble cause with nothing but a "thank you for this useful post"? Good friends.
It's too bad though, if you really are one of those who boat safely, respect other boaters, and obey our boating laws (all of them), I wish you would reconsider. I would miss sharing the lake with you.

Perhaps you are misconstruing what the "thank yous" were for. I doubt any of his "friends" are glad to see him leave Winni. Maybe you should read the rest of his post.

Kracken · 09-08-2009, 11:18 AM

Glad to see everyone had a peaceful Labor Day weekend. I was appalled by what I witnessed this weekend on the water.

No less than seven near misses (two hits), and when I say near misses I mean misses by less than 10 feet.

The highlights:

Boats going 40+ with passengers sitting on the swim platform drinking beer.

Children on boats without PFD.

PWC operators without PFD.

3 women sunbathing on a motor hatch while the boat was on plain. (Sorry no picture).

A cruiser swamped a fishing boat exiting a no-wake zone at less than 15 feet.

A bowrider pulling two tubes with 3 kids in each tube and only the operator in the boat.

Jon Boat fishing in a channel hit by Cigarette boat (impact at no wake, no injury)

2 boats in a NWZ channel less than 10 feet apart doing 35+ with a Marine patrol officer 25 feet away. The officer was checking for milfoil stickers on docked boats and completely ignored the channel race going on behind him. This is what happens when Marine Patrol are instructed to enforce trivial laws that merely increase revenue for the state instead of laws that actually save lives.

These events all happened in Maine. People have referred to Winnipesakee as the “wild wild west”. This is simply not true, check the facts NH is one of the safest states for boating. Better than checking the facts, simply go to another state and watch. Not only is the Marine Patrol far superior to Maine, the boaters are as well. If the events listed above happened on Winni, they would have certainly been stopped by the MP but also I believe many Winni boaters would voice their concerns and explain to these Capt Bonehead Extremes what they were doing wrong. Yes some of the explanations would just be a half peace sign.

I think we should all chip in and send Elchase, APS, Turtleboy and Sunset to Maine for a weekend. Maybe when they came back their fears and concerns would be put into perspective.

NoBozo · 09-08-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kracken

These events all happenedI think we should all chip in and send Elchase, APS, Turtleboy and Sunset to Maine for a weekend. Maybe when they came back their fears and concerns would be put into perspective.

I'm waiting for Those Guys ...to weigh in on the WolfeBoro Vintage Raceboat Regatta coming up. OMG. Gotta be Total Mortification.

NB

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&day=2009-9-16

hazelnut · 09-08-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elchase

This news elicits six Thank You's from your "friends"? Rather than try to enlighten you to the unreasonable extremity of your decision and try to convince you to reconsider, they are willing to let you jump on a grenade and are happy to sacrifice you for this noble cause with nothing but a "thank you for this useful post"? Good friends.
It's too bad though, if you really are one of those who boat safely, respect other boaters, and obey our boating laws (all of them), I wish you would reconsider. I would miss sharing the lake with you.

Make that SEVEN including me. Smart individuals can read the post and thank him for his candor and honesty with regard to the real agendas of the opposition. We don't need you to twist the reason for their Thank You's. Once again elchase strike again, bend, twist, spin.

I'm surprised you didn't snip a small section to completely misrepresent the message. I guess there is still time though.

You do more for "our side" with every post. Keep up the good work. As it is most of your fellow supporters have distanced themselves from you quite a bit. Hear that? Those are crickets.....

OCDACTIVE · 09-09-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

As it is most of your fellow supporters have distanced themselves from you quite a bit. Hear that? Those are crickets.....

well, could always get more screen names

09-09-2009, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NoRegrets

You are reading way to much between the lines of a simple "Thanks" for this posting! It does show how easy it is to jump to conclusions though.

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Originally Posted by chipj29

Perhaps you are misconstruing what the "thank yous" were for.

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

Smart individuals can read the post and thank him for his candor and honesty

If my "friend" announced he was moving away because of a law that he said does not apply to him anyway and is not doing anything, I'd give it more that a one-touch "Thank you". Your good buddy announced he is selling his home and moving away, and you guys never even made an attempt to discourage him or told him you'd miss him. Good friends.

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Originally Posted by Kracken

These events all happened in Maine.

No non-Winnipesaukee stuff. Read the rules.

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

well, could always get more screen names

No razzing. Read the rules.

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

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No excessive use of Smilies. Read the rules.

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well, could always get more screen names

How's that bomb shelter coming?

BroadHopper · 09-09-2009, 09:06 AM

On Winnipesaukee.com. I'm assuming maybe a quarter are active.

182 voted 'No speed limit'

67 voted '45 and 25'

My quess is the rest want some kind of speed limit but not 45/25.

This really make sense as there is no evidence that speed have to be limited to 45 or speed have to be limited to 25. I google for any backup to these numbers and fail to see any. Just because they use these numbers in other states does not mean it should apply in this state. Same to motorcycle helmets law and seat belt law.

NoRegrets · 09-09-2009, 09:09 AM

I have been reading the forum for a long time and have never seen anyone so capable in the art of goading people to get off topic. You are an expert at it elchase.

As I pointed out before I am against the speed limit. I am not sure where you let your perspectives come from but it not even close to talking about the speed law issue.

Please stop the carving of everyones posts and placing judgement on single words like "Thanks"!

Notice the lack of a smile.

OCDACTIVE · 09-09-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by elchase

If my "friend" announced he was moving away because of a law that he said does not apply to him anyway and is not doing anything, I'd give it more that a one-touch "Thank you". Your good buddy announced he is selling his home and moving away, and you guys never even made an attempt to discourage him or told him you'd miss him. Good friends.

How's that bomb shelter coming?

Sorry I don't know how to do multi post like EL.. Wow for someone who just started here you are very very good at it. It's amazing how much one can pick up from the sidelines....

but:

How do you know we aren't talking to him outside of the forum. Private messages are available. no need to speculate.

Bomb Shelter??? HUH???

Kracken · 09-09-2009, 09:28 AM

Please accept my sincere apologies for talking about another lake. I was completely unaware that the rules of this forum forbid references to waterways outside the New Hampshire boarder. I understand ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking them and accept full responsibility for my actions. I should never use facts to try to compare and contrast when attempting to make a point. From this time forward I will just state my point of view without providing facts or examples. I guess this way of thinking may qualify me for a Czar position in the current administration.

OCDACTIVE · 09-09-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Kracken

Please accept my sincere apologies for talking about another lake. I was completely unaware that the rules of this forum forbid references to waterways outside the New Hampshire boarder. I understand ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking them and accept full responsibility for my actions. I should never use facts to try to compare and contrast when attempting to make a point. From this time forward I will just state my point of view without providing facts or examples. I guess this way of thinking may qualify me for a Czar position in the current administration.

you know what is ironic. when Sunset posted about michigan laws and someone asked that same question, sunset posted a similar response. back around post #90. I thought sunset was correct but I didn't see EL getting all upset when he did it... Guess the door only swings one way....

BroadHopper · 09-09-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by elchase

How's that bomb shelter coming?

Thought this forum is Winnipesaukee related?

OCDACTIVE · 09-09-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Thought this forum is Winnipesaukee related?

Agreed... Again we should focus on the poll itself.

The numbers don't lie. I have counted up the people posting on this thread and you are really looking at a dozen people. That is a far cry from the overwhelming go fast crowd then the number of people who have voted..

#'s don't lie.

View Poll Results: Speed limit - If you had to choose, which would it be???
No Speed Limit Law	325	74.37%
Current Law - 45 Day 25 Night	112	25.63%
Voters: 437. You may not vote on this poll

09-09-2009, 09:09 AM	#10
NoRegrets Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Hudson - NH Posts: 408 Thanks: 233 Thanked 212 Times in 88 Posts	are you serious elchase? I have been reading the forum for a long time and have never seen anyone so capable in the art of goading people to get off topic. You are an expert at it elchase. As I pointed out before I am against the speed limit. I am not sure where you let your perspectives come from but it not even close to talking about the speed law issue. Please stop the carving of everyones posts and placing judgement on single words like "Thanks"! Notice the lack of a smile.

09-09-2009, 09:28 AM	#12
Kracken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Alton Posts: 223 Thanks: 46 Thanked 130 Times in 50 Posts	Elchase Please accept my sincere apologies for talking about another lake. I was completely unaware that the rules of this forum forbid references to waterways outside the New Hampshire boarder. I understand ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking them and accept full responsibility for my actions. I should never use facts to try to compare and contrast when attempting to make a point. From this time forward I will just state my point of view without providing facts or examples. I guess this way of thinking may qualify me for a Czar position in the current administration.

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09-08-2009, 11:18 AM	#4
Kracken Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Alton Posts: 223 Thanks: 46 Thanked 130 Times in 50 Posts	Glad to see everyone had a peaceful Labor Day weekend. I was appalled by what I witnessed this weekend on the water. No less than seven near misses (two hits), and when I say near misses I mean misses by less than 10 feet. The highlights: Boats going 40+ with passengers sitting on the swim platform drinking beer. Children on boats without PFD. PWC operators without PFD. 3 women sunbathing on a motor hatch while the boat was on plain. (Sorry no picture). A cruiser swamped a fishing boat exiting a no-wake zone at less than 15 feet. A bowrider pulling two tubes with 3 kids in each tube and only the operator in the boat. Jon Boat fishing in a channel hit by Cigarette boat (impact at no wake, no injury) 2 boats in a NWZ channel less than 10 feet apart doing 35+ with a Marine patrol officer 25 feet away. The officer was checking for milfoil stickers on docked boats and completely ignored the channel race going on behind him. This is what happens when Marine Patrol are instructed to enforce trivial laws that merely increase revenue for the state instead of laws that actually save lives. These events all happened in Maine. People have referred to Winnipesakee as the “wild wild west”. This is simply not true, check the facts NH is one of the safest states for boating. Better than checking the facts, simply go to another state and watch. Not only is the Marine Patrol far superior to Maine, the boaters are as well. If the events listed above happened on Winni, they would have certainly been stopped by the MP but also I believe many Winni boaters would voice their concerns and explain to these Capt Bonehead Extremes what they were doing wrong. Yes some of the explanations would just be a half peace sign. I think we should all chip in and send Elchase, APS, Turtleboy and Sunset to Maine for a weekend. Maybe when they came back their fears and concerns would be put into perspective.

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09-09-2009, 09:06 AM	#9
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,576 Thanks: 3,214 Thanked 1,103 Times in 794 Posts	4302 members On Winnipesaukee.com. I'm assuming maybe a quarter are active. 182 voted 'No speed limit' 67 voted '45 and 25' My quess is the rest want some kind of speed limit but not 45/25. This really make sense as there is no evidence that speed have to be limited to 45 or speed have to be limited to 25. I google for any backup to these numbers and fail to see any. Just because they use these numbers in other states does not mean it should apply in this state. Same to motorcycle helmets law and seat belt law. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

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