Summer Camps and Speed Limits

KonaChick · 07-02-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

If that is your point, its not a very good one.

Who described the children at these camps as being "underprivileged inner city campers"? Did I miss that, or did you make it up.

And who posted about camp children being "run down by big bad GFBL boat's"? Did I miss that as well, or did you make it up.

I have said that camps have had to keep their boats in at times. And that the New Hampshire Camp Directors Association supports HB847.

However if we are talking about the safety of a child in a kayak, I don't think the financial situation of the child's parents makes any difference at all. And it is rather telling of your motives that you to bring it up.

BI, I understand your point exactly! When a specific group of people are targeted and it's not based on fact just opinions it can be difficult to swallow. You have my sympathy!

KonaChick · 07-02-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I don't understand.

Does this mean you made up that story about underprivileged children at camps and attributed it to speed limit supporters? Then when asked for details you want to change the subject?

Please don't misdirect. What speed limit supporters have been talking about underprivileged inner-city children at Winnipesaukee camps?

We both know that never happened. So why don't you just say "my mistake" and move on.

Just like we both know the accident rates for GFBL boats (or any boat for that matter) doesn't support a speed limit on Lake Winnipesaukee.

wildwoodfam · 07-02-2008, 02:42 PM

How on earth did a thread that started out as a taxation question for non profit camps around the lake turn into YET ANOTHER debate on the speed limit issue? I went back through this thread - and nobody posted anything about lil campers being run down by GFBL's - so why toss out that grenade into this already controversial subject. Not too mention Kona you ASKED BI's opinion and now you are thrashing him? Bipolar or what?!?

Non-profit taxation is highly charged without coupling it with the speed limit law! YIKES!

Talk about pushing agendas - we all do it I guess, but some are just more subtle about it I suppose!

And just because you put a cute little widget next to your slam doesn't make it a nice slam....

KonaChick · 07-02-2008, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wildwoodfam

How on earth did a thread that started out as a taxation question for non profit camps around the lake turn into YET ANOTHER debate on the speed limit issue? I went back through this thread - and nobody posted anything about lil campers being run down by GFBL's - so why toss out that grenade into this already controversial subject. Not too mention Kona you ASKED BI's opinion and now you are thrashing him? Bipolar or what?!?

Non-profit taxation is highly charged without coupling it with the speed limit law! YIKES!

Talk about pushing agendas - we all do it I guess, but some are just more subtle about it I suppose!

And just because you put a cute little widget next to your slam doesn't make it a nice slam....

Yes I guess we all push our own agendas and I'm certainly guilty. The back story is I started this thread in the SPEED LIMIT and it was moved here by the webmaster which was fine, but my original intent was to link the camps on BI to the speed limit issue. Several on here have made that point that the camps are fearful of the fast boats and it affects their ability to operate their camp effectively. I'm saying I don't believe a speed limit will solve that issue. How is that for linking the two posts. I do LOVE subtle innuendos and to be honest LOVE when people get it! I have always and will always sign my posts with a cute little

, it just seems appropriate to me. We're not talking about world hunger or cancer so a little levity by way of a

always seems appropriate. I don't think I'm bi-polar, or maybe I am, no definetely not, no for sure I am, well perhaps no, yup I am.

Wildwood Fam chill out and smell the beach roses. I have them growing like crazy all over my yard.

Islander · 07-02-2008, 05:27 PM

So the entire thread is a troll.

What possible difference does it make to a speed limit if the camps pay taxes? Do untaxed camps have less right to support a speed limit they think will make their children safer?

BI really is bipolar!

KonaChick · 07-02-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Islander

So the entire thread is a troll.

What possible difference does it make to a speed limit if the camps pay taxes? Do untaxed camps have less right to support a speed limit they think will make their children safer?

BI really is bipolar!

Major snafu...i think you mean I am bi-polar not BI! Oh dear....and as I mentioned this thread was started in the SPEED LIMIT debate thead but was moved. I'm afaid I have to post a

at your major snafu!!!

Bear Islander · 07-02-2008, 07:22 PM

Camps have kept their small boats off of the lake during weekends and other high traffic days. That is a FACT you can readily confirm if you wish. And Parrothead has confirmed it as well.

Woodsy and others has stated that a speed limit will reduce the number of high performance boats on the lake. That is a PREDICTION.

Less boats and less speed may allow the camps to increase their small boat usage of the lake. That is a HOPE.

I am bipolar. I have skied to both poles.

KonaChick · 07-02-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Camps have kept their small boats off of the lake during weekends and other high traffic days. That is a FACT you can readily confirm if you wish. And Parrothead has confirmed it as well.

Woodsy and others has stated that a speed limit will reduce the number of high performance boats on the lake. That is a PREDICTION.

Less boats and less speed may allow the camps to increase their small boat usage of the lake. That is a HOPE.

I am bipolar. I have skied to both poles.

Yes, I got that joke after I posted, I'm not known for being "quick".

So when you said that less boats = less polution, noise etc. you were talking about certain kinds of boats. Small boats are OK with you. Tell me how many "small" boats would it take to make up a "big" boat for example do 5 "small" boats = 1 "big" boat and so on?? So are you saying it's fine to have as many "small" boats on the lake as can fit but no "big" boats? I'm confused...and if you can imagine I'm not even an original blonde (sorry in advance to all true blondes).

Bear Islander · 07-02-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KonaChick

Yes, I got that joke after I posted, I'm not known for being "quick".

So when you said that less boats = less polution, noise etc. you were talking about certain kinds of boats. Small boats are OK with you. Tell me how many "small" boats would it take to make up a "big" boat for example do 5 "small" boats = 1 "big" boat and so on?? So are you saying it's fine to have as many "small" boats on the lake as can fit but no "big" boats? I'm confused...and if you can imagine I'm not even an original blonde (sorry in advance to all true blondes).

I would say forget small and big. Horsepower is the simplest way to look at the problem. Unrestricted horsepower on a crowded lake and community water supply makes no sense to me.

When the time comes that a lake needs to have restrictions because of crowding or pollution, the obvious answer is to start with the biggest boats. In my opinion we are at that point now.

The handwriting is on the wall. Everything is going toward more environmentally friendly. Nothing is moving in the other direction. The future of boating on all lakes will be low power, low impact and low pollution. The days of big cruisers and performance boats on lakes are numbered. The only question is how long will it take.

pm203 · 07-11-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Camps have kept their small boats off of the lake during weekends and other high traffic days.
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And, what is wrong with that? Camps should keep their small boats off the lake on busy weekends. Any individual in charge of young children should do their best to keep their children safe. If that means no boating on the weekends , so be it. You still have 5 weekdays and early mornings anytime of the week to boat. Also, on another note, alot of my fellow high performance boaters are not going to go away. In fact, a couple of them are super charging their boats to go faster. Don't forget, the lake season is a short season. Alot of people ship their boats to Fl for the winter and use them year round. So, when on the lake, for several short months, they may be a little more careful where they go fast and how often they go fast. But, they still will come and enjoy the lake. Your view of the lake and what you want for it is not only selfish, it is wrong .

codeman671 · 07-11-2008, 07:34 PM

I have noticed a considerable presence of MP in the vicinity of Camp Lawrence (I look across at it) this season. I am sure the multiple calls that I put in asking for them to consider making the tip of Mark a NWZ probably helped. Much more than ever before. Looking out the window now a RIB is going by, and last night at this time I crossed paths with one out front as well as I was arriving home.

Today, the camp boat was towing skiers all day long and the canoes were traveling the shoreline as they always do, including weekends. No lack of boat travel for them during the week, and I see them doing the same activities on the weekend, just not skiing mid-day. Simply too much traffic, not a speed issue. It gets downright rough out front on the weekends from all the wakes. Too rough to ski or wakeboard.

07-02-2008, 02:42 PM	#3
wildwoodfam Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North Andover, MA & summers up at the BIG lake Posts: 285 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Ok Time Out!!!! How on earth did a thread that started out as a taxation question for non profit camps around the lake turn into YET ANOTHER debate on the speed limit issue? I went back through this thread - and nobody posted anything about lil campers being run down by GFBL's - so why toss out that grenade into this already controversial subject. Not too mention Kona you ASKED BI's opinion and now you are thrashing him? Bipolar or what?!? Non-profit taxation is highly charged without coupling it with the speed limit law! YIKES! Talk about pushing agendas - we all do it I guess, but some are just more subtle about it I suppose! And just because you put a cute little widget next to your slam doesn't make it a nice slam....

07-02-2008, 05:27 PM	#5
Islander Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 321 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 3 Posts	So the entire thread is a troll. What possible difference does it make to a speed limit if the camps pay taxes? Do untaxed camps have less right to support a speed limit they think will make their children safer? BI really is bipolar!

07-02-2008, 07:22 PM	#7
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	Camps have kept their small boats off of the lake during weekends and other high traffic days. That is a FACT you can readily confirm if you wish. And Parrothead has confirmed it as well. Woodsy and others has stated that a speed limit will reduce the number of high performance boats on the lake. That is a PREDICTION. Less boats and less speed may allow the camps to increase their small boat usage of the lake. That is a HOPE. I am bipolar. I have skied to both poles.

07-11-2008, 07:34 PM	#11
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,499 Thanks: 221 Thanked 815 Times in 489 Posts	I have noticed a considerable presence of MP in the vicinity of Camp Lawrence (I look across at it) this season. I am sure the multiple calls that I put in asking for them to consider making the tip of Mark a NWZ probably helped. Much more than ever before. Looking out the window now a RIB is going by, and last night at this time I crossed paths with one out front as well as I was arriving home. Today, the camp boat was towing skiers all day long and the canoes were traveling the shoreline as they always do, including weekends. No lack of boat travel for them during the week, and I see them doing the same activities on the weekend, just not skiing mid-day. Simply too much traffic, not a speed issue. It gets downright rough out front on the weekends from all the wakes. Too rough to ski or wakeboard.