Life after speed limits

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by EricP

What?? What statistics do you have to back this statement up? I would really be interested in a more factual statement than this. This is nothing more than a simple propeganda statement with zero merit and no basis.

OK, and what statistics do you have to refute this statement?

[EricP]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

OK, and what statistics do you have to refute this statement?

You have the burden of proof, not I. You claim the lake has this alledged "wild west, anything goes" mentality then you have to prove it. You can't just make up stuff willy nilly. You have to have proof.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by EricP

You have the burden of proof, not I. You claim the lake has this alledged "wild west, anything goes" mentality then you have to prove it. You can't just make up stuff willy nilly. You have to have proof.

OK, you say this is nothing more than a propeganda (sic) statement...what do you want? A recorded statement from a GFBL boater who yelled from the top of his lungs "Yee Hah, this is the wild west" while traveling through the entrance to Winter Harbor at 70 MPH on Aug 2nd, 2006? Get real.

[EricP]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

OK, you say this is nothing more than a propeganda (sic) statement...what do you want? A recorded statement from a GFBL boater who yelled from the top of his lungs "Yee Hah, this is the wild west" while traveling through the entrance to Winter Harbor at 70 MPH on Aug 2nd, 2006? Get real.

I'd like you to not make statements to further your opinion that are off the chart ridiculous

[Resident 2B]

Turtle Boy,

If you have any boating experience on Lake Winnipesaukee, you clearly realize how wrong and deceptive your "wild west, anything goes" statement really is. Almost every boater on the lake respects the rules, the safety of other boaters, the 150' rule and the No Wake Zones. However, there are a few boaters that are "Capt. Boneheads" that have less than appropriate respect for the rules. These folks are a small minority, but the real and big problem.

If your cause is to educate and eliminate this small minority of "Captain Boneheads" you will find total and complete agreement from the opposition side of the speed limit issue. This is the real safety issue and every boater on the lake knows this. However, if you have other intentions, then keep up your trolling.

R2B

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by Resident 2B

Turtle Boy,

If you have any boating experience on Lake Winnipesaukee, you clearly realize how wrong and deceptive your "wild west, anything goes" statement really is. Almost every boater on the lake respects the rules, the safety of other boaters, the 150' rule and the No Wake Zones. However, there are a few boaters that are "Capt. Boneheads" that have less than appropriate respect for the rules. These folks are a small minority, but the real and big problem.

If your cause is to educate and eliminate this small minority of "Captain Boneheads" you will find total and complete agreement from the opposition side of the speed limit issue. This is the real safety issue and every boater on the lake knows this. However, if you have other intentions, then keep up your trolling.

R2B

If trolling means holding people accountable for their statements expressed on this forum, then...guilty as charged. And I rest my case that this forum is not in the least bit representative of a true cross section of the Winni boating population. goodnight (and slow down, maybe you'll spot a turtle or two).

[Resident 2B]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

If trolling means holding people accountable for their statements expressed on this forum, then...guilty as charged. And I rest my case that this forum is not in the least bit representative of a true cross section of the Winni boating population. goodnight (and slow down, maybe you'll spot a turtle or two).

This forum clearly is a cross section of all people with an interest in life on and around the lake. We have had a lively discussion from good people on both sides of a highly charged issue. Although at times, people, including myself, stepped over the line, the discussion, for the most part had excellent representation from both sides of this issue.

For someone who joined this forum within the last week, with almost all posts looking start arguments with other posters, I must question your intentions. Your posts look like the posts of a troll to me. I see no real effort to hold people accountable on your behalf. It looks like pure trolling to me, but to be fair, that is not my call.

For the record, I do not drink coffee, so do not mention your cute little decaf statement to me. I also know a real turtle when I meet one, and unless the turtles have signifacantly lowered their standards recently, you are a trutle in your definition only.

YBYSAIM!

R2B

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

Originally Posted by Resident 2B

I also know a real turtle when I meet one, and unless the turtles have signifacantly lowered their standards recently, you are a trutle in your definition only.

YBYSAIM!

R2B

I vaguely remember that I too am a Turtle You bet'cha.

Since we're both turtles, who is going to pick up the next round?

By the way, it seems someone has tried to make their own definition of trolling and flooding. Do you think they fully comprehend the forum guidelines?

For Islander. It has been shown that unsafe operation on the Lake is illegal. Unreasonable speed is unsafe and therefore illegal. You give it a rest - it won't change no matter how many times you say it. We wouldn't want people to get the wrong idea would we?

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

All I ask is that you review any basic statistics/polling reference. Boy, they say the Winnfabs crowd is angry and has no sense of humor. Have you considered switching to decaf?

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Again, if flooding means holding people accountable for their statements expressed on this forum...guilty as charged. And as before , this forum is not representative of the Winni boating population in general. So, goodnight, and slow down...maybe you'll see a turtle or two.

Who is using this poll on this forum for anything other than reference? I used it earlier to say that IN MY OPINION, the forum represents users of the lake. No, not ALL users of the lake, but again, IN MY OPINION, all users of the forum use the lake.

Regarding your accountability thing...you come on here trying to hold us accountable for our statements? How about you apply that to yourself, and explain the "wild west" thing. Thanks in advance.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

For Islander. It has been shown that unsafe operation on the Lake is illegal. Unreasonable speed is unsafe and therefore illegal.

Where has this been shown?

How many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed"?

Do we know of even a boat stop, or a warning, for "unreasonable speed"?

Can a boat operators drivers license be effected by an "unreasonable speed" conviction?

The legislature visited boat speed in 2006 and failed to enact a limit of any kind. That displays "legislative intent" that no speed, by itself, is unlawful.

If unsafe operation is illegal why do we need all those other regulations? Does that mean we do not need safe passage, bwi, night lighting etc.? Are they already covered?

[Islander]

Let's ask the state to eliminate all those hard to understand boating regulations, and we can go with "unsafe operation". That one law covers it all.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Islander

Let's ask the state to eliminate all those hard to understand boating regulations, and we can go with "unsafe operation". That one law covers it all.

Good one Islander, I like it.

I'll go one better. We'll just throw the book out and use a gentleman's agreement to govern the lake.

"Excuse me sir you just violated my 150 foot space"
"Ever so sorry my mistake it won't happen again"
"Cheerio, Happy boating"
"To you as well."


Question for Skip and others. I was actually wondering when as in what year did NH enact the 150 foot rule?

[Skip]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

...I was actually wondering when as in what year did NH enact the 150 foot rule?...

Ah, trying to get me to show my age.....

The current set of general operating guidelines (RSA 270-D:2) which includes the 150' rule goes back in some form or another to at least 1990.

To give you an idea how long ago it was....back then me & Bear Islander were still being honest about the color of our hair on our respective driver's licenses....

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Skip

Ah, trying to get me to show my age.....

The current set of general operating guidelines (RSA 270-D:2) which includes the 150' rule goes back in some form or another to at least 1990.

To give you an idea how long ago it was....back then me & Bear Islander were still being honest about the color of our hair on our respective driver's licenses....

Your post made me pull out my drivers license to check if it said brown or grey!

Good News! Hair color is not on it!

[KonaChick]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Where has this been shown?

How many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed"?

Do we know of even a boat stop, or a warning, for "unreasonable speed"?

Can a boat operators drivers license be effected by an "unreasonable speed" conviction?

The legislature visited boat speed in 2006 and failed to enact a limit of any kind. That displays "legislative intent" that no speed, by itself, is unlawful.

If unsafe operation is illegal why do we need all those other regulations? Does that mean we do not need safe passage, bwi, night lighting etc.? Are they already covered?

Why should a boat operators drivers license be effected by an unreasonable speed conviction or by a boating speeding ticket when this bill becomes law in 2009.......totally asinine IMHO.

[Airwaves]

Orignally posted by Turtle Boy
OK, you say this is nothing more than a propeganda (sic) statement...what do you want? A recorded statement from a GFBL boater who yelled from the top of his lungs "Yee Hah, this is the wild west" while traveling through the entrance to Winter Harbor at 70 MPH on Aug 2nd, 2006? Get real.

How about some figures...ya know actual statistics...FACTS...to back up that claim
The pro HB847 crowd has done more to instill fear into people not familiar with Winnipesaukee than any GF boat ever has and even in your victory (or so it seems) you continue the fear mongering. Stand by there is more coming

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Why should a boat operators drivers license be effected by an unreasonable speed conviction or by a boating speeding ticket when this bill becomes law in 2009.......totally asinine IMHO.

Clearly I am opposed to the speed limit so don't shoot me for asking, but why is it asinine for a boating speeding ticket to go against your license?

I think an unreasonable speed conviction going against your license would not count as it is a matter of perception, but if a speeding ticket is based on verifiable radar results why should it not count against your license?

[KonaChick]

Originally Posted by codeman671

Clearly I am opposed to the speed limit so don't shoot me for asking, but why is it asinine for a boating speeding ticket to go against your license?

I think an unreasonable speed conviction going against your license would not count as it is a matter of perception, but if a speeding ticket is based on verifiable radar results why should it not count against your license?

Because by law I'm required to have a driver's license to drive a car. I do not need a driver's license to operate a boat...only a safe boating certificate.

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Because by law I'm required to have a driver's license to drive a car. I do not need a driver's license to operate a boat...only a safe boating certificate.

Silly girl...

You are not supposed to be that smart or at least smarter than Concord has proven themselves to be.

[Taz]

Evenstar, those things I pointed out would be helpful if you listened. But I know you won't because you are never wrong in your opinion. If you continue to post the way you do nothing will change. Thats your decision but don't continue to whine about.

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by Bear Islander
How many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed"?

Do we know of even a boat stop, or a warning, for "unreasonable speed"?

Well if you bother to look at the 2006 NH boating stats you will see that one PWC accident involving a fall was ruled to have happened during a turn at "Excessive Speed"!

Did the operator get a ticket or warning? I don't know but "Excessive Speed" is listed as the cause of the PWC accident so gee, I guess NH really does have an unreasonable speed statute.

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

Well if you bother to look at the 2006 NH boating stats you will see that one PWC accident involving a fall was ruled to have happened during a turn at "Excessive Speed"!

Did the operator get a ticket or warning? I don't know but "Excessive Speed" is listed as the cause of the PWC accident so gee, I guess NH really does have an unreasonable speed statute.

How does the Marine Patrol writing the words "Excessive Speed" on an accident report indicate that there is an unreasonable speed statute?

Do you believe a statute is created when an officer writes words on a report? It's a little more complicated than that.

I asked how many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed". Are you replying that there may, or may not, have been ONE passed out two years ago?

[Airwaves]

Originally posted by Bear Islander
How does the Marine Patrol writing the words "Excessive Speed" on an accident report indicate that there is an unreasonable speed statute?

Do you believe a statute is created when an officer writes words on a report? It's a little more complicated than that.

I asked how many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed". Are you replying that there may, or may not, have been ONE passed out two years ago?

I am pointing out that in spite of all of your denials, an RSA currently exists that enforces dangerous and negligent operation of boats, including excessive speed. It is you and your supporters that deny the RSA can be used to enforce speed. Apparently that is not true.

You asked how many tickets have been handed out and I said I don't know. For some reason the Marine Patrol doesn't like to publicize what it does. In my opinion that is a mistake, however since their incident logs are public record, and if you're in the neighborhood, why don't you swing by Glendale once a week and copy the log and post it? Then we'll know.

[Gilligan]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

How does the Marine Patrol writing the words "Excessive Speed" on an accident report indicate that there is an unreasonable speed statute?

Do you believe a statute is created when an officer writes words on a report? It's a little more complicated than that.

I asked how many tickets have been passed out for "unreasonable speed". Are you replying that there may, or may not, have been ONE passed out two years ago?

How many tickets have been passed out for unreasonable speed. The MP would know, ask them. Listing excessive speed as the cause of someone falling off a PWC is proof that it is a concept recognized by the law. It is in their statistics at the least. It does not mean a ticket was issued for excessive speed. MP knows if and how many warnings or tickets for excessive speed are given.

First you guys deny that the Marine Patrol and the law recognize reasonable speeds and there are laws about those speeds. You finally can not hide from that fact so now you start ranting about how many tickets have or have not been written. You question why we need other laws if laws about reasonable speeds are in place. Who are you trying to kid? You are trying to distract. It's another way to spin.

We do not need more laws we need more enforcement of the current laws. If you want to do away with the other laws start a different thread.

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Why should a boat operators drivers license be effected by an unreasonable speed conviction or by a boating speeding ticket when this bill becomes law in 2009.......totally asinine IMHO.

If you are indeed going an unreasonable speed for conditions, then there is some sense in tying the conviction to your drivers license. Since the new law defines unreasonable based on anything but science, unlike how highway speeds are set, it would be best if on-water speeding was not tied to your license. On the other hand, it may become more difficult for a MP to prove you were going an unreasonable speed if you are going under 45.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

If trolling means holding people accountable for their statements expressed on this forum, then...guilty as charged. And I rest my case that this forum is not in the least bit representative of a true cross section of the Winni boating population. goodnight (and slow down, maybe you'll spot a turtle or two).

Based on WHAT?!?! Does Don screen the people that sign up? NO! What case have you presented that even approaches anything other than rhetoric and hearsay. All you do is speak in cute metaphor and you have offered no substance to this discussion.