Life after speed limits

[ITD]

Hmmm, Turtle Boy has his first 13 posts in 7 hours all looking to pick a fight. I wouldn't go as far as to call him a troll, but he is pretty close. As soon as I can figure out that ignore feature, I think I'll make use of it.

[Skipper of the Sea Que]

One of the problems I have with Evenstar and some of the other pro 45/25 speed limit crusaders is their constant cry about the alleged Wild West atmosphere of boaters here. They claim reckless UNLIMITED SPEED is making our lake unsafe. They keep pushing the scary misleading concept of Unlimited Speeds by boaters. The facts have been presented numerous times that clearly show that there are laws in place making it illegal to boat unsafely. Unreasonable speeds are unsafe. Reasonable and safe speeds vary depending on the day, the season, the weather, the conditions and the traffic. There are already laws regarding reasonable, safe speeds on the lake.

Originally Posted by ITD

Hmmm, Turtle Boy has his first 13 posts in 7 hours all looking to pick a fight. I wouldn't go as far as to call him a troll, but he is pretty close. As soon as I can figure out that ignore feature, I think I'll make use of it.

Sorry to disagree with you ITD, especially in this thread, but I believe you are wrong. Just plain wrong ! I don't think that our two new-this-month members are trolling. We are all entitled to our opinions and in my opinion I'd say they were FLOODING.

I almost gave up wading through all the messages in this thread today that came from just 2 people. I had a few items to address to Evenstar regarding her question to me but I'll have to wait until my head stops spinning from all of todays messages. while I was writing this several other exchanges already took place. Whew!

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

One of the problems I have with Evenstar and some of the other pro 45/25 speed limit crusaders is their constant cry about the alleged Wild West atmosphere of boaters here. They claim reckless UNLIMITED SPEED is making our lake unsafe. They keep pushing the scary misleading concept of Unlimited Speeds by boaters. The facts have been presented numerous times that clearly show that there are laws in place making it illegal to boat unsafely. Unreasonable speeds are unsafe. Reasonable and safe speeds vary depending on the day, the season, the weather, the conditions and the traffic. There are already laws regarding reasonable, safe speeds on the lake.



Sorry to disagree with you ITD, especially in this thread, but I believe you are wrong. Just plain wrong ! I don't think that our two new-this-month members are trolling. We are all entitled to our opinions and in my opinion I'd say they were FLOODING.

I almost gave up wading through all the messages in this thread today that came from just 2 people. I had a few items to address to Evenstar regarding her question to me but I'll have to wait until my head stops spinning from all of todays messages. while I was writing this several other exchanges already took place. Whew!

Again, if flooding means holding people accountable for their statements expressed on this forum...guilty as charged. And as before , this forum is not representative of the Winni boating population in general. So, goodnight, and slow down...maybe you'll see a turtle or two.

[Islander]

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

There are already laws regarding reasonable, safe speeds on the lake.

Again with this lie! Give it a rest!



If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.... Or say that he is flooding or trolling.



Do some of you people really think the poll on this forum has any kind of validity? I thought you were kidding, but now I think some of you are so deluded you think it means something. Its on a boating forum!!! Plus the only people left here are the few (the very few) that are against speed limits, and a couple of die hards that refuse to be run of by the bad manners of the need for speed crowd.

[Skipper]

I am sick of constantly reading unsubstantiated claims and people yelling LIE. How will they misdirect? Which way will they spin? How many people have to prove that safe speed laws are on the books.

Originally Posted by by Skipper of the Sea Que

There are already laws regarding reasonable, safe speeds on the lake.

The zealous proponents of HB847 want everyone to believe that there are no speed regulations. Unlimited speed cowboys threaten safety of the young, frail, timid and peaceful. We must restrain these renegades and protect the public. What drivel. HB847 supporters like Islander often respond to the safe speed requirements that are already in place like this:

Originally Posted by Islander

Again with this lie! Give it a rest!

If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.... Or say that he is flooding or trolling.

Many have shown that safe speeds are the law. The other Skipper documented it well with attributable quotes HERE and more good reading HERE. Revisit those posts to refresh your memories about speed and the law.

Islander demonstrates what he says. If you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. That is just what he did to the Skipper of Sea Que.

On another issue:

Originally Posted by Islander

Do some of you people really think the poll on this forum has any kind of validity?

The poll was skewed early on due to campaigning. Voting was cut off before a good sample was taken. You obviously did not read the purpose of the poll or the comments by the originator of that poll.

Originally Posted by Islander

Its on a boating forum!!! Plus the only people left here are the few (the very few) that are against speed limits, and a couple of die hards that refuse to be run of by the bad manners of the need for speed crowd.

The HB847 is about new speed limits on the lake. That sounds like a subject for a boating forum. Kayaks are boats. Swimmers and environmentalists may not be.

You talk about bad manners. Ive seen it from both camps but more from the pro side.

Then you lump all those opposed to HB847 with a need for speed crowd. The vast majority of those opposed to the bill are not speed demons. I do not go fast nor boat near the proposed limits. I do know where my limits are regarding Bull Stuff though. I've seen more than enough to force me to make a rare post.

Education not creation. No need to create new laws for speed. Educate and enforce what we have.