Bill would allow 'switchable exhausts' on boats

[jarhead0341]

I guess the hand written advisory wasn't finished in time........ glad to see there is still some common sense out there

[RTTOOL]

Originally Posted by jarhead0341

i guess the hand written advisory wasn't finished in time........ Glad to see there is still some common sense out there

now lets work on the other things

[ApS]

Originally Posted by jarhead0341

I guess the hand written advisory wasn't finished in time........

I elected to write the Governor instead, and referred to this bill as the Trojan Horse it is.

Mentioned, was that this bill will bring every boater with "Switchable Exhaust" out in the open, and "invite" visitors—with bad boating reputations—from neighboring states .

There was no reply for weeks and weeks. Somebody in his office later replied, "The bill has been signed".

These past few days, "Switchable Exhausts" have been switched on-and-off-and-on-again—rattling windows and dishes.

Credit SBONH with sneaking this through to completion: SBONH definitely "got back" at WinnFABS' family boaters.

"Quiet and Quieter" is a joke—a joke at the expense of peaceable family boaters. Peaceable boaters, of whom New Hampshire law mandates—to always carry on board—a whistle).

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

I elected to write the Governor instead, and referred to this bill as the Trojan Horse it is.

Mentioned, was that this bill will bring every boater with "Switchable Exhaust" out in the open, and "invite" visitors—with bad boating reputations—from neighboring states .

There was no reply for weeks and weeks. Somebody in his office later replied, "The bill has been signed".

These past few days, "Switchable Exhausts" have been switched on-and-off-and-on-again—rattling windows and dishes.

Credit SBONH with sneaking this through to completion: SBONH definitely "got back" at WinnFABS' family boaters.

"Quiet and Quieter" is a joke—a joke at the expense of peaceable family boaters. Peaceable boaters, of whom New Hampshire law mandates—to always carry on board—a whistle).

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You have no clue what you are talking about as switchable exhausts can only do one thing...make a boat quieter. They can only be used when docking or coming into or out of port. They cannot, repeat CANNOT be switched at any speed above headway speed without engine damage. They cannot be turned on and off at cruising speed as you are trying to allude to. Your claims are completely false and without merit.

I have already seen the benefits of this exhaust while sitting at the Glendale Town docks last weekend. Boats which were normally legally loud while warming up were able to switch to quiet mode. There was a huge difference in sound levels. All docks, coves and no wake areas on Winnipesaukee have already started to see the benefit of this bill and will continue as more and more "Captains Call" exhaust are installed.

I applaud SBONH for getting this bill passed!!

Dan

[NHBUOY]

...IS308...not so sure about not being able to use the switchable exhausts on "quiet mode" at ONLY headway speed...that is simply not true...what makes you think that.?..just curious...re:aps...he is what he isn't......

[NoBozo]

I believe it is recommended by the their manufacturers, that switchable exhaust NOT be used at engine speeds over 2000 RPM. NB

[NHBUOY]

...I'm gonna check on that...so I have my FACTS right...be right back...

[NHBUOY]

...here's the FACTS on switchables...you "shouldn't" flip the switch if your RPM's are higher than 2000 RPM...there is NO REASON that you cannot use the quiet mode at any RPM...that is the reason for the switchables...to quiet the boat down where noise is a concern...(I checked with Captain's Call & Silent Choice on this although I "knew" the right answer)......

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

...IS308...not so sure about not being able to use the switchable exhausts on "quiet mode" at ONLY headway speed...that is simply not true...what makes you think that.?..just curious...re:aps...he is what he isn't......

They are recommended for low RPM use only. It is simply untrue for anyone to think you can simply switch these at wide open or even half throttle. Corsa recommneds nothing over 3000 RPM's.

In the loud mode your boat still has to be at the required legal decibel level so how does a below water noise baffling system make your boat louder??...

Here is a good explanation about HB 441 from a local boating enthusiast...

“I hope I can explain what these systems do in very plain terms for you to better understand the merits of this bill.

Currently there are two types of exhaust:

Thru-Hub - or below the water line (very quiet)

Thru-Hull - or above the water line (where exhaust can be heard)

There are many different style boats with both types of exhaust systems. Some of which have to have above water, or thru-hull, systems or else it could cause damage to the engine.

Currently there are restrictions in place on the decibel limits or "noise limitations" as to the maximum decibel these boats can emit.

In no way does HB 441 look to adjust these noise limits.

To help make boats quieter, that have this above water exhaust, there are systems that can be purchased or even come standard with boats that quiet the exhaust at low RPM's or speeds. These systems are referred to as "switchable exhaust systems".

This allows the boat owner to, in essence, turn down the noise when going at slow or idle speeds. This benefits everyone on the shoreline and even those on other boats when in a congested environment.

Currently there is a law that bans these systems from NH. They were originally banned because it was thought that one could have a boat that exceeded the noise statutes and when they saw a Marine Patrol unit, they could simply turn the exhaust off at higher speeds causing enforcement issues. This is completely untrue. In doing so, you could potentially cause catashropic failure to the unit and even the boats engine.

In no way does this bill make a boat that is currently "illegal" under the current RSA,. legal It simply allows to make a boat (that is already legal) quieter which in turn improves the enjoyment of everyone around and on the shoreline.

This bill has been written in conjunction with the Dept. of Safety to make sure there are no enforcement problems and has overwhelming support out of the House.”




Hope this helps!

Dan

[NHBUOY]

...did not check Corsa, but that sounds wrong...all you're really doing is diverting the exhaust through the stock Y-tube out the lower-unit...switching at high RPM's is a NO-NO tho...

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

...did not check Corsa, but that sounds wrong...all you're really doing is diverting the exhaust through the stock Y-tube out the lower-unit...switching at high RPM's is a NO-NO tho...

NHBUOY;

Here is Corsa's

I think we are saying the same thing...

My point being A.P.S. is stating that he is hearing all these boats switching from quiet to silent while underway and that is simply is not true and can't happen! These exhausts are only being used when at docks or coming in and out of port or in coves or no wake areas that is the ONLY time they are beneficial.

Dan

[Woodsy]

Using any type of switchable exhaust at an engine RPM higher than what the mfr recommends may cause the internal flapper to break or an excessive water amount too close to the exhaust port... this can potentially cause reversion! Reversion (water being ingested into the engine via the exhaust valve due to camhaft profile) usually equals catastrophic engine failure....

Woodsy

[NHBUOY]

...ya...I get ya IS308...no harm, no foul...Hi BH..lol..you cowboy.....

[BroadHopper]

Glad to see everyone is checking the websites to prove aps is blowing smoke! I challenge him earlier for a lively race on the road course at Loudon. So far he talks Beemers in FL. From the look of reviews in the car enthisiast magazines, I'm inviting my son in law and his Audi all road for breakfast!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

In no way does this bill make a boat that is currently "illegal" under the current RSA,. legal It simply allows to make a boat (that is already legal) quieter which in turn improves the enjoyment of everyone around and on the shoreline.

1) Maybe those were the intentions of SBONH—made for public consumption...but In Reality—I think not!

2) You're not here 24/7.

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

you "shouldn't" flip the switch if your RPM's are higher than 2000 RPM.

...and...

Originally Posted by Woodsy

Using any type of switchable exhaust at an engine RPM higher...

...and...

Originally Posted by ishoot308

It is simply untrue for anyone to think you can simply switch these at wide open...throttle

...and...

Originally Posted by NHBUOY

...switching at high RPM's is a NO-NO tho...

...and...

1) Once again, a collection of false premises is trying to support "the impossible". (See 2 ).

2) I never stated "switching" occurred at high RPMs.

3) Saturday, I had an independent witness as a guest—an engineer—who witnessed the same impossible thing.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

2) You're not here 24/7.[/B][/FONT]

Neither are you

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Neither are you

'Not too many boats on the Lake—when it's frozen.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

'Not too many boats on the Lake—when it's frozen.

To quote your signature on another forum: Location: Wolfeboro (½-year) Florida (the rest). Last time I checked Ice in didn't last 6 months, if you want to play semantics.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

So far he talks Beemers in FL.

Beemers are the motorcycles: Bimmers are the automobiles.

Originally Posted by RTTOOL

now lets work on the other things

Like getting those "Grown-Ups" who already had Switchable Exhaust to stop playing with their exhaust racket when people are in their residences?

When you can't fix stupid—maybe educate them?

Originally Posted by VitaBene

To quote your signature on another forum: Location: Wolfeboro (½-year) Florida (the rest). Last time I checked Ice in didn't last 6 months, if you want to play semantics.

Just like I wouldn't say that BP will never have a NWZ, I wouldn't say that the lake never had ice for 6 months straight.

There are times when I'm the only person taking pictures in Winnipesaukee's ice from an outboard boat...

—AND—

...the only boat in Lake Winnipesaukee.

[Shreddy]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

1) Maybe those were the intentions of SBONH—made for public consumption...but In Reality—I think not!

2) You're not here 24/7.

...and...

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...and...

1) Once again, a collection of false premises is trying to support "the impossible". (See 2 ).

2) I never stated "switching" occurred at high RPMs.

3) Saturday, I had an independent witness as a guest—an engineer—who witnessed the same impossible thing.

Last week, my independent brain surgeon friend who plays for the Red Sox on his time off witnessed me shoot an 80 at Ridgewood. For reference, an 80 for me is pretty darn close to impossible.

[ishoot308]

"You're not here 24/7."

Actually during the months of July and August I am and very soon I will be here 24/7 ! Until then three days a week will have to suffice.

Dan

[Coastal Laker]

I have a 26' Chaparral cuddy; it's not an obnoxious boat. When switched to "loud," for lack of a better term, it doesn't sound obnoxious or even remotely close to annoying. It has a nice rumble to it. I'm thrilled that I can now switch to quiet when coming into a marina at night or other area where people would appreciate me switching to "quiet" and not get in trouble for trying to be considerate.

I've actually gone the last few years with the system disabled because of the law. Now I am going to use it the way it was intended to be used. I will be enjoying it during the day as I have been but coming in quietly to marinas at night.

I don't understand why some people just assume the masses are reckless with poor intentions. I think there are more people like me than not.

[VtSteve]

Originally Posted by Coastal Laker

I have a 26' Chaparral cuddy; it's not an obnoxious boat. When switched to "loud," for lack of a better term, it doesn't sound obnoxious or even remotely close to annoying. It has a nice rumble to it. I'm thrilled that I can now switch to quiet when coming into a marina at night or other area where people would appreciate me switching to "quiet" and not get in trouble for trying to be considerate.

I've actually gone the last few years with the system disabled because of the law. Now I am going to use it the way it was intended to be used. I will be enjoying it during the day as I have been but coming in quietly to marinas at night.

I don't understand why some people just assume the masses are reckless with poor intentions. I think there are more people like me than not.

There are quite a few like you CL, wish there were more, but not bad.

When you have people that want everyone to like what they like or else, then you have issues. I live next to someone that likes complete silence 24/7. He's a hoot for sure. If I had a loud boat, I'd certainly be overly sensitive to the noise, and probably take it out less because of it. At least with the switchable exhaust you can do exactly like you do, and quiet it down at the channel, at night, coming into and leaving a dock.

It's a common courtesy that those that hat the switchable exhaust would never extend to you. My boat is very quiet, and not overly fast. But I still get sneers and even the infamous bird from blowboaters. I smile and wave, a real wave. If you read enough of these threads, you can certainly pick out the attitudes.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Coastal Laker

When switched to "loud," for lack of a better term...

No better term exists.

Originally Posted by VtSteve

I live next to someone that likes complete silence 24/7. He's a hoot for sure.

Then I don't think it's a good idea to take the muffler off, and run your lawnmower at night!

Originally Posted by Coastal Laker

I don't understand why some people just assume the masses are reckless with poor intentions. I think there are more people like me than not.

1) "Switchable Exhausts" are clearly in the minority. Why anyone would draw from their discretionary funds, to enable extra noise is very unclear to me. Too much money?

2) The masses are heard very well by those who are lakeside. As another has written on these pages: "I love the sound of my own horn".

3) For 30,000 years, Lake Winnipesaukee has been silent. No matter how "enjoyable" one's noise-pollution may seem, why would anyone with good intentions, change that primordial image of Lake Winnipesaukee for everyone else?

Originally Posted by Coastal Laker

I've actually gone the last few years with the system disabled because of the law. Now I am going to use it the way it was intended to be used. I will be enjoying it during the day as I have been but coming in quietly to marinas at night.

That's just fine for your neighbors, but what about those who are not your neighbors?

[VtSteve]

It's nice to have some peace and quiet once in awhile for sure. Weekdays on the lake are fairly subdued no? There were probably 4 dozen boats that passed in front of my house here on the broad lake in Champlain yesterday, probably a new record. A small Hobie Cat nearly ran into me yesterday near the beach. I was at anchor Good thing those boats can tack quickly.

Personally, I think the switchable exhaust is a win-win situation. In fact, if more people that had them used them when appropriate, it would alleviate some of the closed quarter noise in channels, at night at the docks, and similar situations.

Yes, there are boats that are noisy when running on plane, some more so than others. When you're on a larger lake, not everyone is going to be happy all the time. Heck, many problems occur on small lakes with slower speeds due to congestion. You have to pick your happy medium of tolerance.


Acres per Second

1) "Switchable Exhausts" are clearly in the minority. Why anyone would draw from their discretionary funds, to enable extra noise is very unclear to me. Too much money?

2) The masses are heard very well by those who are lakeside. As another has written on these pages: "I love the sound of my own horn".

3) For 30,000 years, Lake Winnipesaukee has been silent. No matter how "enjoyable" one's noise-pollution may seem, why would anyone with good intentions, change that primordial image of Lake Winnipesaukee for everyone else?

In number 1 You relate Switchable Exhausts to "enable extra noise". It's not only an irrational statement, but inaccurate as well. Yes, there are smaller boats that have engines perfectly capable of using underwater exhausts. In some cases, these small boats offer the switchable exhausts as an option. Not my cup of tea, and doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Having a noisy 23' bowrider just never appealed to me, nor a noisy wakeboard boat, etc.. It's the larger boats with engines that require different exhausts where the Switchable option is a good choice.

#2 Not my cup of tea either, but many like it, and some do want to draw attention to themselves. Surprise surprise, people are different all over.

#3 There's never common ground for those that want to return to yesteryear, versus those that accept some degree of change. Be that cottages to houses, small boats to larger boats, and the inevitable sailors versus the world discussions. There were no race tracks or loud crazy cars 30,000 years ago either. No airplanes, no Mount, not much of anything. Imagine how the people that live close to your racetrack feel about the noise, the ones that lived there before it was built.

Your all or nothing approach will never work, as it always revolves around your personal interests only. That's never been how the world works, even well before engines of any time period.