Buoys off station east of Stonedam

Fishy Cover · 08-14-2005, 07:44 AM

Someone moved at least 4 spars yesterday, perhaps more, in the area from the east entrance of Sally's gut to halfway down the island. Stay well east if you go there.

This has happened before and is a very malicious and dangerous act. Someone could get seriously hurt.

Can anyone tell me how to notify the Marine Patrol?

pmj · 08-14-2005, 08:14 AM

All boaters should be aware of marine patrol numbers.

The Marine Patrol land line numbers are as follows:

Location:

31 Dock Road

Gilford, NH 03246-7626

Telephone Nos.: 603-293-0091 - Director's Phone Number (8:15 to 4:15 Monday - Friday)

1-603-293-2037 - Marine Patrol (available 24/7)

1-877-642-9700 - Marine Parol (available 24/7 - Toll Free)

pmj

jrc · 08-15-2005, 09:13 AM

How does someone move four or more spar bouys without anyone seeing them? Aren't those bouys connected with chains to permanent anchors on the bottom of the lake.

I did transit Sally's gut last Monday and there didn't seem to as many markers in there as shown on my Bizer chart. I don't go there enough to know if they were in the wrong place.

Lakegeezer · 08-15-2005, 09:28 AM

Many spars are held to the bottom with a cement block or two. It is quite possible that a wind storm with microbursts could move them.

GusMan · 08-15-2005, 11:15 AM

Hi All,

Not related to the question about the markers near Stonedam, but I have another.

I was travelling from just north of Black Cat Island towards the Beaver Islands. Off in distance to my right, I noted a black marker out in the middle of nowhere that appeared to have a numbered buoy with it. I'm somewhat familiar with the area (not an expert by any means) but could not find that numbered buoy anywhere on my green chart. I didn't go over and investigate further, but do know that I had my bearings straight as I did (safely) reach the Beaver Islands exactly as I expected.

I was definitely south of the markers at the mouth of Center Harbor and noted the number 6 buoy as I passed it headed south.

Was I halucinating or what????

Cheers....

Gusman

CentreHarborEric · 08-15-2005, 12:02 PM

If we are talking about the same buoy, it is a relatively new one (maybe 5-7 years now) marking what I consider the southeast extreme of a big shallow area. I am pretty sure that marker has been there all along, just had the light added a few years ago.

Lakewinniboater · 08-15-2005, 12:29 PM

Well, I would hope not. However, when I was going into the channel in Small's Cove into West Alton Marina. Those of you that are familiar with this area also know that there is a sand bar there..... WELL, there was a group of 4-5 young teenagers swimming at the edge and WELL into the the middle of the channel on Saturday. The were very close to being hit 3-4 times. (I am sure that the parents weren't aware)

BUT back to the subject.... these kids were moving the black markers. Diving numerous times together trying to move them. WHY????? kids being kids.... they had no idea what they were doing was dangerous. No idea they were in danger of being hit.... Yada yada yada.

Don't know if anyone stopped them or even if they were successful. I was told to bud out and just kept going. However, apparently it happens.

I do also know that last month when we had that HORRIBLE storm our swim platform was moved about 20 ft and hit the dock.

Just an FYI.

I am sure that Marine Patrol will have it fixed once notified. (I hope)

KTO · 08-15-2005, 01:36 PM

Gusman--

Well it's certainly not in the middle of nowhere! It's actually part of a chain of shallow areas in front of Patrician Shores/Sands of Brookhurst that is actually fairly poorly marked. The number marker I believe is new for 2001-2002 (Not positive on that one). But no, it's there alright! Just take a look at the maps I drew and maybe you'll be able to see what I'm talking about...hopefully.

KTO

P.S. I am not sure if you will be able to read everything because of the shrunken size, so feel free to save them to your computer and take a zoomed in look.

jrc · 08-15-2005, 02:33 PM

Floating light number 6 is just off Becky's Garden. According to my copy of Bizer, it doesn't have a spar bouy.

Floating light number 84 is the last number, so it makes sense that it was the last installed. Although there are missing floating light numbers from 31 to 38, so that theory might have problems.

CentreHarborEric · 08-15-2005, 03:05 PM

I just don't have such incredible visual aids available on demand...wow!

The 2001 timeframe seems about right, I was thinking 5-7 years.

And that is one really nasty spot, it certainly deserves the light buoy...makes a nice addition to having #6 there off the Becky's Garden area.

KTO · 08-15-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrc

Floating light number 6 is just off Becky's Garden. According to my copy of Bizer, it doesn't have a spar bouy.

The #6 buoy is actually between Becky's Garden and Two Mile Island. The red buoy is kind of between Becky's Garden and Black Cat Island.

I fixed my map to show what I mean...Look for number marker 6 and Becky's Garden and the relationship between the Red buoy and the number buoy.

SIKSUKR · 08-16-2005, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrc

Floating light number 6 is just off Becky's Garden. According to my copy of Bizer, it doesn't have a spar bouy.

Floating light number 84 is the last number, so it makes sense that it was the last installed. Although there are missing floating light numbers from 31 to 38, so that theory might have problems.

My 6th edition Bizer shows a red spar bouy right to the south of Becky's.F stands for Fixed(always on),FL stands for flashing light,FL(2) stands for flashing light that flashes twice.FL(2)#6 is just west of Becky's.

GusMan · 08-16-2005, 09:16 AM

Thanks KTO....

That's the marker I saw! I have an older copy of the green chart (1994-95) and that numbered marker is not listed. I am familiar with that shoal area and its markers.... but not the numbered buoy!

Thanks again....

Gusman

Mee-n-Mac · 08-16-2005, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

My 6th edition Bizer shows a red spar bouy right to the south of Becky's.F stands for Fixed(always on),FL stands for flashing light,FL(2) stands for flashing light that flashes twice.FL(2)#6 is just west of Becky's.

FWIW - An old 4'th edition Bizer does not show FL84. It was published in 2000 I think. I have a 5'th edition as well but not handy right now.

jrc · 08-16-2005, 07:32 PM

It is in the fifth edition of Bizer and I guess in the sixth.

BTW flashing light makes more sense than floating light especially since I can think of three that aren't floating.

08-14-2005, 07:44 AM	#1
Fishy Cover Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 134 Thanks: 9 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Buoys off station east of Stonedam Someone moved at least 4 spars yesterday, perhaps more, in the area from the east entrance of Sally's gut to halfway down the island. Stay well east if you go there. This has happened before and is a very malicious and dangerous act. Someone could get seriously hurt. Can anyone tell me how to notify the Marine Patrol?

08-14-2005, 08:14 AM	#2
pmj Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 240 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Marine patrol numbers All boaters should be aware of marine patrol numbers. The Marine Patrol land line numbers are as follows: Location: 31 Dock Road Gilford, NH 03246-7626 Telephone Nos.: 603-293-0091 - Director's Phone Number (8:15 to 4:15 Monday - Friday) 1-603-293-2037 - Marine Patrol (available 24/7) 1-877-642-9700 - Marine Parol (available 24/7 - Toll Free) pmj

08-15-2005, 09:28 AM	#4
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,658 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 344 Thanked 620 Times in 279 Posts	Cement blocks Many spars are held to the bottom with a cement block or two. It is quite possible that a wind storm with microbursts could move them. __________________ -lg

08-15-2005, 11:15 AM	#5
GusMan Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 42 Times in 24 Posts	Another marker question.... Hi All, Not related to the question about the markers near Stonedam, but I have another. I was travelling from just north of Black Cat Island towards the Beaver Islands. Off in distance to my right, I noted a black marker out in the middle of nowhere that appeared to have a numbered buoy with it. I'm somewhat familiar with the area (not an expert by any means) but could not find that numbered buoy anywhere on my green chart. I didn't go over and investigate further, but do know that I had my bearings straight as I did (safely) reach the Beaver Islands exactly as I expected. I was definitely south of the markers at the mouth of Center Harbor and noted the number 6 buoy as I passed it headed south. Was I halucinating or what???? Cheers.... Gusman

08-15-2005, 12:29 PM	#7
Lakewinniboater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Westford, MA and Alton Bay, NH Posts: 225 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	do people move markers Well, I would hope not. However, when I was going into the channel in Small's Cove into West Alton Marina. Those of you that are familiar with this area also know that there is a sand bar there..... WELL, there was a group of 4-5 young teenagers swimming at the edge and WELL into the the middle of the channel on Saturday. The were very close to being hit 3-4 times. (I am sure that the parents weren't aware) BUT back to the subject.... these kids were moving the black markers. Diving numerous times together trying to move them. WHY????? kids being kids.... they had no idea what they were doing was dangerous. No idea they were in danger of being hit.... Yada yada yada. Don't know if anyone stopped them or even if they were successful. I was told to bud out and just kept going. However, apparently it happens. I do also know that last month when we had that HORRIBLE storm our swim platform was moved about 20 ft and hit the dock. Just an FYI. I am sure that Marine Patrol will have it fixed once notified. (I hope) __________________ Wendy "Wasn't Me!" Last edited by Lakewinniboater; 08-15-2005 at 04:18 PM.

08-15-2005, 09:13 AM	#3
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	How does someone move four or more spar bouys without anyone seeing them? Aren't those bouys connected with chains to permanent anchors on the bottom of the lake. I did transit Sally's gut last Monday and there didn't seem to as many markers in there as shown on my Bizer chart. I don't go there enough to know if they were in the wrong place.

08-15-2005, 12:02 PM	#6
CentreHarborEric Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Lighted buoy north of Beaver Islands If we are talking about the same buoy, it is a relatively new one (maybe 5-7 years now) marking what I consider the southeast extreme of a big shallow area. I am pretty sure that marker has been there all along, just had the light added a few years ago.

08-15-2005, 01:36 PM	#8
KTO Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Meredith, NH Posts: 391 Thanks: 30 Thanked 117 Times in 26 Posts	Gusman-- Well it's certainly not in the middle of nowhere! It's actually part of a chain of shallow areas in front of Patrician Shores/Sands of Brookhurst that is actually fairly poorly marked. The number marker I believe is new for 2001-2002 (Not positive on that one). But no, it's there alright! Just take a look at the maps I drew and maybe you'll be able to see what I'm talking about...hopefully. KTO P.S. I am not sure if you will be able to read everything because of the shrunken size, so feel free to save them to your computer and take a zoomed in look. Attached Images

08-15-2005, 02:33 PM	#9
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Floating light number 6 is just off Becky's Garden. According to my copy of Bizer, it doesn't have a spar bouy. Floating light number 84 is the last number, so it makes sense that it was the last installed. Although there are missing floating light numbers from 31 to 38, so that theory might have problems.

08-15-2005, 03:05 PM	#10
CentreHarborEric Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm with KTO on this one I just don't have such incredible visual aids available on demand...wow! The 2001 timeframe seems about right, I was thinking 5-7 years. And that is one really nasty spot, it certainly deserves the light buoy...makes a nice addition to having #6 there off the Becky's Garden area.

08-16-2005, 09:16 AM	#13
GusMan Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 124 Thanks: 0 Thanked 42 Times in 24 Posts	Numbered marker.... Thanks KTO.... That's the marker I saw! I have an older copy of the green chart (1994-95) and that numbered marker is not listed. I am familiar with that shoal area and its markers.... but not the numbered buoy! Thanks again.... Gusman

08-16-2005, 07:32 PM	#15
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	It is in the fifth edition of Bizer and I guess in the sixth. BTW flashing light makes more sense than floating light especially since I can think of three that aren't floating.