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03-16-2012, 02:48 AM | #1 |
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...turning water back on?
Anyone else thinking about turning their water back on, over this weekend, for the entire summer season, what with the temperature predictions for the next two weeks? March 16 seems like it should be winter, and thinking snowfall.......say hey.......March is usually a big snowfall month around here........ but here I am thinking seriously on starting up the pump and filling the water system back up to 50-lbs pressure! Last September, I went and bought a brand new snow-blower and never even started it up once for the entire winter.....but this is getting off-topic so I'll let this topic slide.
With the high price of propane and my incredibly heat leaky cottage I decided it was just too expensive to be heating it all this winter.....probably a function of my old age or something.....you know.....supposedly one gets smarter as they get older........anyway.....how much can go wrong if I restart the water system and get it up to speed ........WOW.....a real flush toilet.....what a concept! With just one bathroom, it takes all of one gallon of rv antifreeze to winterize the cottage....but still ....seems like a wacky idea.....water pressure on March 16.....think I'll probably go for it and restart the water pump.....I been missing listening to that thing energize back up to 50-lbs......the pump and tank are right in the kitchen....directly next to the refrigerator......ho-hum! March 16........water pressure.....is this wacky weather crazy or what?
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To answer your question..I say go for it. BT
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Wait for the ice to go
You should really wait for all the ice to go and the lake to get up to about 50 degrees or above. That way the water acts as a heat source to those cold night below freezing. The air temperature around the waters edge will be about 10 degrees warmer than inland during short periods of freezing weather.
Worst case is that the pipes (and pump) might freeze up but won't get so cold to do damage. Just have to wait for them to thaw before you can flush. |
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We usually turn the water on at ice out and the lake temp is about 40... never had a freeze after that.
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I wouldn't change it. Way to early. 4/1 is the ealiest I ever do it but like above it depends on how your system works and if you want to leave the heat on. My line is exposed under under the camp from where it comes out of the ground under the camp to the other side. To risky for 3/16. Once the ice is out, the lake helps keeps things warmer. Next weeks weather looks warm but in a normal year it could still dip down below 20 many nites. Your call but I would wait. I cant solder for a darn anyway.
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You've been living in your place all winter without running water?????
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You can do it now, thats fine, temps wont be cold enough for long enough to be a problem "this" year!!! lol, lol
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I was wondering the same thing!!!!
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If you are consistently using the system I would think going ahead at this point is probably a reasonable consideration. For people only using there places on the weekend on the other hand, I would consider waiting at least until the ice is out.
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We did it in 2010, opened the camp on 3/24 and never had any issues and we only use our place on the weekends.
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We always turn ours on so that we can stay out the first weekend after ice-out, which is as soon as ISS can get out to do it. Ours will probably go on tomorrow provided they have time to get to it. Never had a problem in the last 6 years of being there. |
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For 12+ years, we've opened up on Patriot's Day weekend (mid-April). We've never had a problem, even in years when ice-out has not yet occurred and nights have gone below freezing, and had pipes exposed under the house.
Given this years weather, I think it's safe to open any time now. |
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Steve from I.S.S. turned my water on today at the camp. He said absolutely no issue...
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Will be turned on tomorrow...in Meredith.
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Ok. I held back and didnt turn on the water. I am ready to flip the switch but held back figuring the black plastic pipe under the camp could potentially freeze. It just seems a bit early so for all you folks that went for it, if you dont mind, post your results over the next 2 weeks if your basically a weekend user in a seasonal camp and let us know if you had any breaks. Thanks.
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Or as they said on the news, plant killing weather. Looks like late winter early spring weather returns for a couple of weeks anyways.
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Ugh..
Went up on Saturday with the intention of opening things up.
For the first time, had 2 pipes burst and the sprayer nozzle on the kitchen sing blew. Though I drained everything like I always have, I obviously didn't drain everything well enough! |
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that stinks
We had a time when there was a bit of water in the K-1 line that froze at an elbow. Furnace shut off and we had all kinds of problems. Make sure you check the toilet. I thought ours was ok but found it broken inside at the s-trap. Next camp is going to have all plastic tubing.
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What weather forecast are you all reading?? I see nothing in the teens for the next 10 days??... http://www.weather.com/weather/tenda...rd+NH+USNH0261 The coldest night being tonight with a low of 20 and highs during the day in the mid 40's. By the weekend temps will again be near 50 on Saturday and near 60 on Sunday...
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http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick...&FcstType=text Low of 18 tonight. The dew point is low at 9 degrees right now, but as long as the wind keeps blowing, and it will, the temperature will not get down that low. However, upper teens is a good forecast for tonight's low. The lake is at 40 degrees, so if the wind is off the water and you are close to the water, it will be a lot warmer, but for most it should get below 20. Gets a bit warmer each night after that! R2B |
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.. 6:26-am, Tuesday, March 27, and the WeirsCam says it is 22-degrees. Here in Waterville Valley, my thermometer says it is 17-degrees..........ouchey-ouch-ouch......took the precaution yesterday to drain out the 40-gal pressure tank and open all the faucets, and put rv antifreeze in the bathtub drain trap that is under the cottage.......please........all Forum Members.......come together and pray for my poor, helpless, poverty-struck lil' water pipes! Oh lordy, lordy, lord.....please do not let it freeze up and get all cracked up in some totally inaccessible spot inside a wall somewhere! .......brothers and sisters......down & out......from that poor Walmart side of the lake .....let us all come together and pray for my poor 1/2" external diameter, copper water pipes..........amen! .. Whatever you do, do not call a plumber.....just go get about 25-dollars worth of propane torch, soldier,flux, wire brush and tiny tubing cutter and fix-it-yourself! Licensed plumber price - $400 Do-it-yourself price - $40 And, it's not all that difficult to make the fix. Think I'll go take a walk.....watch the sun come up......and enjoy what could be the last blast of winter.........yeeeehawwwwwww!!!
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Drained the system
My daughter and I made a special trip last night to drain the water. Should have done that on Sunday, but missed the weather forecast. Meredith was 22 degrees this morning. Mink was 30 degrees and falling at 8 last night. I think high winds defeat any lake effect benefit and a hard freeze like this would lead to certain disaster. Why take chances.
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He has heat tape and is well set up for it, Dan will be fine.
I talked to ISS yesterday on ours, he is going to hold off until the end of the week. If we decide not to head out this weekend I will probably postpone it until next week. No need to have it on if we aren't coming up. |
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The majority of my pex lines are well contained underneath the floor of the camp. The floor and pex plines are completely insulated. The underside of the camp is also closed off with 1/4" ply sheeting. I have one exposed pex line that goes to my exterior hose connection. I don't think the cold lasted long enough to do any damage though. On cold nights such as last night, it's always warmer on the island due to the lake water being warmer. The inside of the camp always stays warm so I have no concerns there... It should be O.K.... I hope!!
For you plumbers out there, does pex resist freezing better than copper?? Dan |
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The flexibility in the pipe helps in freezing situations as the pipe can adapt to ice buildup. PEX cannot be used in direct sunlight and is not critter-proof. |
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Anyway, she called frantic for us to go over to the house (full finished 3 story house, everyday style) and check the pipes to make sure no issues. Walked in to a house that was more frozen than I have ever seen a house, every trap blown out, toilets cracked, a complete mess. Let me tell you what made me a believer in pex was that house. All the feed lines that were frozen solid did not even drip as we brought the house up to temperature and repaired the other issues. The pex seemed to take the expansion and relieved the fittings and fixtures. Two things that you need to remember when dealing with frozen pipes and that if handled differently could have caused a different outcome in the house above. 1. We worked in that house all day, while the heat was running and we did not open the main water line (pressurizing the system) until the house had maintained temp for a few hours. 2. All areas that do not get good heat (cabinets, floors, etc) had a small ceramic heater and a fan moving warm air around them. In my experience with blown out pipes, it is typically the pressure of the water behind the blockage that causes the most damage and weakens the pipe causing it to burst. The second common issue is applying direct heat (torch) to a frozen line (typically heating loop lines) that create other issues during warm up. If at all possible, smooth and steady warming is best. So in my non-plumber opinion Dan, Pex is far better than copper at dealing with freeze issues. Just remember, even in the most simple pex installs, there are copper or brass fittings somewhere and those are what you want to pay attention to as they constrict the inside diameter and are flash freeze points being metal. |
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I've never heard of it
I've worked with many plumbers who us the stuff and I've never heard of critters causing any damage. Has anyone heard first hand that this is true?
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...looking at the www.noaa.gov weather forcast for 03253, it looks like last night was the last real worry looking ahead......just thought nhow I should have flushed the toilet and filled it w/ rv antifreeze....which probably doesn't do anything good for the septic.....but what the hey....not-so-funny how I never thought of that item at the time......duh!.........anyway......hopefully ....will not be replacing the toilet today......keep'n my fingers crossed.....
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Short version, over 70K in damages. The biggest cost was due to radiant heat in all the floors which was all pex and at some point burst.
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Temps next week are looking good, no one reported problems so I am going to turn it on tonite when I get up there.
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I'll let you know tomorrow, we put ours in last Friday and haven't been there since Sunday.
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I noticed that too
Yesterday was my first day back to work since last Thursday. I've been working on a staining 1000sqft deck. Now I've got to work all weekend or at least part of it, to make up for lost time.
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No issues at our place, the camp was a balmy 39 degrees inside when we arrived yesterday.
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