Emerson Aviation declares Ice-in

[Blue Thunder]

Posted on their Facebook page today..

https://www.facebook.com/13184787685...7459801289784/

[Slickcraft]

This is the first time that I can recall that Emerson got it wrong. See post 38 here.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...d.php?p=366278

Alan

[Blue Thunder]

Originally Posted by Slickcraft

This is the first time that I can recall that Emerson got it wrong. See post 38 here.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...d.php?p=366278

Alan

Yes, I’ve been following that thread. I’m just the Messenger…..

[chachee52]

WMUR is stating that "ice in" is when the Mount's ports are frozen in.
Been up on the lake all my life, when did they change that definition? It's always been all iced over and ice out is when the ports for the mount are free. There have been years Ice In was never declared.
Is this because of Global Warming?

[John Mercier]

They didn't. Ice-Out is when the Mount Washington can make all it ports.

It has been for some time very easy for at least one of the Mount ports to have ice over near the docking area much sooner than the declaration of Ice-in. That would be because Ice-in has always used the other standard.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by Slickcraft

This is the first time that I can recall that Emerson got it wrong. See post 38 here.
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...d.php?p=366278

Alan

It may have been iced over when his fly over occurred. With a limited depth of ice it would break up very easily with wind, wave, and solar acting on it.

[Loub52]

Originally Posted by chachee52

WMUR is stating that "ice in" is when the Mount's ports are frozen in.
Been up on the lake all my life, when did they change that definition? It's always been all iced over and ice out is when the ports for the mount are free. There have been years Ice In was never declared.
Is this because of Global Warming?

I believe I heard the same on a recent morning WMUR newscast; really just a nomenclature issue. I think that “ice in” is when the majority of Winni has ice, and due to that fact, all of the Mt Washington’s ports will be inaccessible. Ice out, to your point, is when the Mount can safely access all her ports. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ice%20in

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

They didn't. Ice-Out is when the Mount Washington can make all it ports.

It has been for some time very easy for at least one of the Mount ports to have ice over near the docking area much sooner than the declaration of Ice-in. That would be because Ice-in has always used the other standard.

Maybe I'm missing your point or your missing my point? not sure which.
Ice in, at least for my understanding from my grandfather when he was alive, and my father, who s still alive, has been when the entire lake has ice on it, doesn't matter how much ice even just a thin layer.
Ice out is when the mount can go port to port (which is what you said, I agree)
WMUR definition in today's report is :"The declaration means all five ports visited by the M/S Mount Washington are covered with ice."
I have NEVER heard this before. If that was the case, there's been ice on the Weir's web cam and Wolfeboro's web cam and Center harbor's web cam. And the reports for Alton is 6". Don't know about Meredith, but seeing Weir's had ice, I would assume that Meredith would too. So what part am i missing if WMUR is correct?

[Descant]

WMUR started confusing ice in as the counterpart to ice out a few years ago. There are many instances in my mind when the writers don't really know much about Winnipesaukee traditions. Nobody here refers to the Mount as the MS, and we rarely use the term, "the big lake". Both routine on WMUR. Ice-in could have occurred as Emerson posted and then re-opened. I sure don't know, but Slickcraft is very reliable too.

[upthesaukee]

Just remember what you hear on WMUR newscasts: "Nobody covers New Hampshire like we do." Doesn't matter if it is factual.

Dave

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by chachee52

Maybe I'm missing your point or your missing my point? not sure which.
Ice in, at least for my understanding from my grandfather when he was alive, and my father, who s still alive, has been when the entire lake has ice on it, doesn't matter how much ice even just a thin layer.
Ice out is when the mount can go port to port (which is what you said, I agree)
WMUR definition in today's report is :"The declaration means all five ports visited by the M/S Mount Washington are covered with ice."
I have NEVER heard this before. If that was the case, there's been ice on the Weir's web cam and Wolfeboro's web cam and Center harbor's web cam. And the reports for Alton is 6". Don't know about Meredith, but seeing Weir's had ice, I would assume that Meredith would too. So what part am i missing if WMUR is correct?

Emerson always makes the call. Obviously, sections of the lake are open... but if WMUR is reporting Emerson correctly... he made the call Sunday. There are years were the Broads or the Channel never ice over... and we certainly don't see it right up to the dam.

When Emerson started declaring Ice-in, the lake mostly froze over everywhere... and of course now, if we have no declaration of Ice-in... they can never have one of Ice-out. So my guess is that Emerson updated his definition of what Ice-in requires. But I am not sure if he makes the flight every day.

Not even sure who will take over when he is gone... so I am guessing at that point they will attempt to use the webcams and local determination at various locations.

But yes, growing up here... and when Ice-in started, I remember it being the entire lake or at least the entire route that the Mount would take... so the Channel and portion near the dam wouldn't count.

[thinkxingu]

Always go to the source.

Attached is Emerson's post, which says that "ice-in...simply means the entire lake is covered in ice."

In a response on that same thread, Emerson said, in response to reports of open water, that "wind must have broken [that section] up."

So, the definitions remain the same—ice-in is the whole lake iced over and ice-out is the Mount being able to reach all her ports—but weather conditions must have led to a bit of open water after Emerson saw all ice.



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[chachee52]

So I'm not loosing my mind as much as I thought I was. That's all I wanted to know.