Boating Accident/Death off Diamond Island

sa meredith · 07-10-2009, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirl

Not everyone checks the forum 20 times a day......

Was not trying to start trouble. Just saying...that info is certainly pertinent to this very lengthy thread, and I would think it would be obvious the article was posted. That's all.

But since you brought it up...
May 7th......July 8th So 6 or 7 times a year would have it covered.
Once every 7 weeks or so...

Hazelnut...check your PMs. After 3 today, no computer for me for 10 days.

BrownEyedGirl · 07-11-2009, 08:19 PM

Not looking for trouble either, just an observation

ironhorsetim · 07-23-2009, 01:31 PM

This weeks papers about a Laconia man getting 2.5-8 years for the death of his girlfriend (on a bike). Anyone think this will be a sign of things to come in this case? How about it Skip what's your opinion?

Pineedles · 09-15-2009, 09:52 AM

I haven't heard any news on this for a while. But my main intention here is that I don't like to see the posts stop at 666.

ironhorsetim · 09-15-2009, 10:26 AM

It was kind of eeeerie

VtSteve · 09-15-2009, 10:44 AM

The trial was postponed until October if memory serves me.

ApS · 09-15-2009, 11:49 AM

A similar R.I. case (alcohol, boating, acquaintance dies), was resolved this summer with only a 2½ years minimum-confinement sentence:

http://www.projo.com/news/content/GR...8.3ead4c8.html

(Though it seems like there should be a 2nd-offense penalty law written for such sentences).

RI Swamp Yankee · 09-16-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Acres per Second

A similar R.I. case (alcohol, boating, acquaintance dies), was resolved this summer with only a 2½ years minimum-confinement sentence:

http://www.projo.com/news/content/GR...8.3ead4c8.html

(Though it seems like there should be a 2nd-offense penalty law written for such sentences).

Sad case, kid should have gotten more. There is a real teenage drinking problem in that town and the parents think the police are unfair to arrest kids for drinking ... and driving. The judge in that case was an idiot for blaming the Police Chief for not going after teenage drinking (which was not true) but the real problem is the parents that condone teen drinking. A case of the privileged (read rich) few literaly getting away with murder.

Not directly Winni related so it may be

SIKSUKR · 09-15-2009, 01:21 PM

Your starting to sound like M&M now.

fatlazyless · 09-15-2009, 06:51 PM

A negligent homicide decision for a triple death, head-on collision between a car and two motorcycles in Thornton NH in June 2006 was reversed on appeal in the NH Supreme Court in June 2009. The driver of the car had had no alcohol and crossing the yellow center line for some unknown reason was voted by the judges 3-1 as not meeting the definition of negligence.

As I see things, it seems like the severity of the collision with three deaths and a 4th severly injured, should be considered in determining negligence, alcohol or no alcohol.

What were the three judges thinking? Why is this triple death now considered to be a tragic accident and not a crime what with the 20-something year old male driver having been released from a 12 year sentence for his time served ?

Mee-n-Mac · 09-16-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless

As I see things, it seems like the severity of the collision with three deaths and a 4th severly injured, should be considered in determining negligence, alcohol or no alcohol.

What were the three judges thinking? Why is this triple death now considered to be a tragic accident and not a crime what with the 20-something year old male driver having been released from a 12 year sentence for his time served ?

The difference between a tragic accident and a crime is easy to illustrate. A bee flies into your car and gets stuck between your eyeball and your glasses. You swerve across the road as a result and head-on another car killing 9 infants. Most would call this a tragic accident.

Constrast this with dropping a pickle out of your $1 meal and then drifting across the road as you fish around the car to retrieve said pickle. You hit no car but the local PD witnesses it all. This is negligent driving (IMO).

The severity of the outcome may play a part in the punishment/sentencing phase but should have no part in determining whether a crime was committed.

ironhorsetim · 09-16-2009, 12:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Your starting to sound like M&M now.

Did you mean...
Eminem the candy or...
M&M the wrapper...lol.get it wrapper (rapper)

Sorry, couldn't resist

Mee-n-Mac · 09-17-2009, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Your starting to sound like M&M now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironhorsetim

:

Did you mean...
Eminem the candy or...
M&M the wrapper...lol.get it wrapper (rapper)

Sorry, couldn't resist

Wha dis ?!? Some phool be gankin my game ? For shizlle ? That's just wack. Wizzle best be findin his own rhyme. Peace out.

fatlazyless · 09-17-2009, 07:36 AM

What determines if an accident was avoidable or negligent depends on who is doing the determining and examining the driver's sobriety. If the driver was drunk then determining negligence is a 'no-brainer.'

I've heard of a trucking company of 18-wheel, tractor-trailers which considers hitting a moose to be an avoidable accident on their driver's record. Why is that? Because a moose is so much larger than a deer and should be easy to see and to avoid.

The company is based in Alabama

!

"Well, hush my puppies....if you all cannot see a great big moose up ahead and steer around that, then it's your own damn fault......yessir!"

Now, that's one company's opinion, Southern style. ...

Airwaves · 09-17-2009, 12:22 PM

Orignially posted by FLL

Quote:

I've heard of a trucking company of 18-wheel, tractor-trailers which considers hitting a moose to be an avoidable accident on their driver's record. Why is that? Because a moose is so much larger than a deer and should be easy to see and to avoid.

More likely it's because a Moose hit can cause considerable damage $$$ to the tractor! They are just as hard to see in the dead of night.

trfour · 09-19-2009, 12:06 AM

CDL, and Boating operation, are two different animals.

Quote; "Well, hush my puppies....if you all cannot see a great big moose up ahead and steer around that, then it's your own damn fault......yessir!"

However, you are a dear, and you know how we love you!

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OCDACTIVE · 09-30-2009, 06:34 AM

It was reported this morning that the trial has been postponed until January 2010.

DEJ · 09-30-2009, 06:44 AM

This time it is the State that is holding up the process. Below is a quote from the Citizen on line article.

"The attorney for Erica Blizzard, James Moir of Concord, said the state has not been able to obtain an expert report on toxicology issues, so he has not been able to prepare a report in response. The New Hampshire Union Leader reports Belknap County Attorney Jim Carroll did not object to the request."

VtSteve · 09-30-2009, 07:29 AM

Did their computer lock up or something?

Skip · 10-01-2009, 05:25 AM

Story this morning in the Citizen about the latest delay. Can be read in full by clicking HERE.

07-11-2009, 08:19 PM	#2
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07-23-2009, 01:31 PM	#3
ironhorsetim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Laconia/Ft Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 184 Thanks: 57 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	Ruling in another case This weeks papers about a Laconia man getting 2.5-8 years for the death of his girlfriend (on a bike). Anyone think this will be a sign of things to come in this case? How about it Skip what's your opinion? __________________ "If common sense was common,everyone would have it" Ironhorsetim "Always do sober,what you say you'll do drunk, That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" Ernest Hemmingway

09-15-2009, 09:52 AM	#4
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,542 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 667 Times in 366 Posts	No News I haven't heard any news on this for a while. But my main intention here is that I don't like to see the posts stop at 666.

09-15-2009, 10:26 AM	#5
ironhorsetim Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Laconia/Ft Myers Beach, Fl Posts: 184 Thanks: 57 Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts	just noticed It was kind of eeeerie __________________ "If common sense was common,everyone would have it" Ironhorsetim "Always do sober,what you say you'll do drunk, That will teach you to keep your mouth shut" Ernest Hemmingway

09-15-2009, 11:49 AM	#7
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,938 Thanks: 2,205 Thanked 776 Times in 553 Posts	Not that they can be compared... A similar R.I. case (alcohol, boating, acquaintance dies), was resolved this summer with only a 2½ years minimum-confinement sentence: http://www.projo.com/news/content/GR...8.3ead4c8.html (Though it seems like there should be a 2nd-offense penalty law written for such sentences).

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09-15-2009, 10:44 AM	#6
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09-15-2009, 01:21 PM	#9
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09-15-2009, 06:51 PM	#10
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,752 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,010 Times in 736 Posts	A negligent homicide decision for a triple death, head-on collision between a car and two motorcycles in Thornton NH in June 2006 was reversed on appeal in the NH Supreme Court in June 2009. The driver of the car had had no alcohol and crossing the yellow center line for some unknown reason was voted by the judges 3-1 as not meeting the definition of negligence. As I see things, it seems like the severity of the collision with three deaths and a 4th severly injured, should be considered in determining negligence, alcohol or no alcohol. What were the three judges thinking? Why is this triple death now considered to be a tragic accident and not a crime what with the 20-something year old male driver having been released from a 12 year sentence for his time served ? __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake!

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09-17-2009, 07:36 AM	#14
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,752 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 300 Thanked 1,010 Times in 736 Posts	What determines if an accident was avoidable or negligent depends on who is doing the determining and examining the driver's sobriety. If the driver was drunk then determining negligence is a 'no-brainer.' I've heard of a trucking company of 18-wheel, tractor-trailers which considers hitting a moose to be an avoidable accident on their driver's record. Why is that? Because a moose is so much larger than a deer and should be easy to see and to avoid. The company is based in Alabama ! "Well, hush my puppies....if you all cannot see a great big moose up ahead and steer around that, then it's your own damn fault......yessir!" Now, that's one company's opinion, Southern style. ... __________________ ... down and out, liv'n that Walmart side of the lake! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-17-2009 at 08:10 AM.

09-19-2009, 12:06 AM	#16
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Pushups, And Then Some.... CDL, and Boating operation, are two different animals. Quote; "Well, hush my puppies....if you all cannot see a great big moose up ahead and steer around that, then it's your own damn fault......yessir!" However, you are a dear, and you know how we love you! PS, please sign up for the special Winnepesaukee.com FLL commensurate trophy. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

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09-30-2009, 06:44 AM	#18
DEJ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 553 Thanks: 526 Thanked 314 Times in 155 Posts	It is true This time it is the State that is holding up the process. Below is a quote from the Citizen on line article. "The attorney for Erica Blizzard, James Moir of Concord, said the state has not been able to obtain an expert report on toxicology issues, so he has not been able to prepare a report in response. The New Hampshire Union Leader reports Belknap County Attorney Jim Carroll did not object to the request."

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VtSteve Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,320 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 230 Thanked 361 Times in 169 Posts	Did their computer lock up or something?

10-01-2009, 05:25 AM	#20
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Trial delay Story this morning in the Citizen about the latest delay. Can be read in full by clicking HERE.