cool, now your driving record is affected

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Skip

As to chase1's contention that the ammended law means that any offense under RSA 270-b:2 (General Rules) on any body of water will be reported to NHDMV, I concur.

As originally intended the legislation proposed was to report speeding offenses occuring on Lake Winnipesaukee to the NHDMV. As finally passed the law reads that any offense under 270-b:2 that occurs on any public waterway in the State during the 2 year trial must be reported to NHDMV.

Finally, even though pm203's carrier may choose to ignore the NHDMV entry, the entry still stands as a State reportable offense and applicable points will be assessed to your driving record.

So to clarify violation of the 150' rule, of the NWS zones, violation of RoW, overloading, and ??? go to your vehicular driving record ?

Also is that 270-D Boating and Water Safety ....

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

So to clarify violation of the 150' rule, of the NWS zones, violation of RoW, overloading, and ??? go to your vehicular driving record ?

Also is that 270-D Boating and Water Safety ....

Actually, it just applies to section 270-D:2.

And yes, any violation of this section on any public body of water (except the specifically designated speed limits applied to Lake Winnipesaukee) will be annotated on your NH driver's record during the two year trail period commencing next year.

[The Big Kahuna]

I hate to be the one to to tell you this but only about .005% of the boaters on this lake even know there was a bill being passed concerning a speed limit. I find it amazing myself but that is the reality, I was recently surrounded at Braun Bay by hundreds of boaters, the Marine Patrol came to enforce the rafting rules. Of the hundreds of boats there, only a small percentaged knew what rafting was? I had people coming up to me and asking me what was the deal with the Marine Partol, I had to tell about 25 to 30 people what was going on, that boats needed to be 25ft from each other, and if two boats were tied together, it needed to be 50ft. I then had to explain that three boats tied together was illegal. I happened to mention the speed limit to these people and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Only a hand full of the boaters I know even know about the speed limit, and of those boaters none of them will be leaving the lake any time soon. They like myself have been on this lake for 15 to 20 years and would not dream of leaving. If you want to know why boats are not going in the water and what type of boats, go over to Mt. View and see all of the big cabin cruisers sitting on blocks, not GLBL,s. Of the groups of people I spoke with this weekend, many have been boating two years or less and to them the world of boating on Winni is great with no rules to worry about. Just a waste of time supporting or not supporting a speed limit because life and boating with go on with or without it.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by The Big Kahuna

I hate to be the one to to tell you this but only about .005% of the boaters on this lake even know there was a bill being passed concerning a speed limit. I find it amazing myself but that is the reality, I was recently surrounded at Braun Bay by hundreds of boaters, the Marine Patrol came to enforce the rafting rules. Of the hundreds of boats there, only a small percentaged knew what rafting was? I had people coming up to me and asking me what was the deal with the Marine Partol, I had to tell about 25 to 30 people what was going on, that boats needed to be 25ft from each other, and if two boats were tied together, it needed to be 50ft. I then had to explain that three boats tied together was illegal. I happened to mention the speed limit to these people and they didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Only a hand full of the boaters I know even know about the speed limit, and of those boaters none of them will be leaving the lake any time soon. They like myself have been on this lake for 15 to 20 years and would not dream of leaving. If you want to know why boats are not going in the water and what type of boats, go over to Mt. View and see all of the big cabin cruisers sitting on blocks, not GLBL,s. Of the groups of people I spoke with this weekend, many have been boating two years or less and to them the world of boating on Winni is great with no rules to worry about. Just a waste of time supporting or not supporting a speed limit because life and boating with go on with or without it.

Kahuna, did you mention that the speed limit is not in effect until 1/1/09?

[B R]

Originally Posted by The Big Kahuna

I hate to be the one to to tell you this but only about .005% of the boaters on this lake even know there was a bill being passed concerning a speed limit.

did you miss a decimal point? you're saying only 5 in 1,000 winnipesaukee boaters know about a speed limit being passed? i find that hard to believe.

[Islander]

Originally Posted by B R

did you miss a decimal point? you're saying only 5 in 1,000 winnipesaukee boaters know about a speed limit being passed? i find that hard to believe.

It's even harder to believe because .005% is 5 in 100,000 not 1,000

Also 1 in 20,000

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Islander

It's even harder to believe because .005% is 5 in 100,000 not 1,000

Also 1 in 20,000

Isn't this the same number of speeding boats that were clocked during the MP speed survey? I thought that number rang a bell!!!

[Bear Islander]

Originally Posted by Islander

It's even harder to believe because .005% is 5 in 100,000 not 1,000

Also 1 in 20,000

Based on the last New Hampshire census this means only 66.7 residents know about the speed limit. Even if we round up that is only 67 NH residents.

More than that voted for it in the House and Senate. See what happens when you make up a statistic.


Ryan -

Then that must also be the number of people that will be inconvenienced by the speed limit.

1 in 20,000

You can't have it both ways!

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Bear Islander

Then that must also be the number of people that will be inconvenienced by the speed limit.

1 in 20,000

You can't have it both ways!

Based on what I saw and experienced this past holiday weekend, the law is going to have minimal impact on the lake.

Just a few things I saw to backup my claim:

• People passing other boats at planing speed within 150'.

• Skippers leaving the shore at full throttle.

• Vacationers that could care less about having a boating certificate.

• Same vacationer on his Jet Ski jumping cruiser wakes within 50 feet of the boat's stern.

• Multiple boats tied up and rafting together.

• Very few, if any boats travelling over 45mph.

• Not a single MP the entire weekend. Either on the water or from the beach.

I asked one of the local marina employees about the lack of MP presence on the lake. Answer: Gas prices are keeping the MP boats at the docks.

If the economy continues at this pace into 2009, there will be 1 MP boat sitting outside the Weir's channel doing random BUI searches. The remainder of the "cowboys" will still be breaking the current, unenforced rules.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Just a few things I saw to backup my claim:

• People passing other boats at planing speed within 150'.

• Skippers leaving the shore at full throttle.

• Vacationers that could care less about having a boating certificate.

• Same vacationer on his Jet Ski jumping cruiser wakes within 50 feet of the boat's stern.

• Multiple boats tied up and rafting together.

• Very few, if any boats travelling over 45mph.

• Not a single MP the entire weekend. Either on the water or from the beach.

I had a great encounter on Sunday:
Was heading up Paugus bay from The Margate towards Weirs. I'm about 200' behind another boat and some guy cuts between my boat and the boat in front of me, pulling a tube with two young kids on it.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

I had a great encounter on Sunday:
Was heading up Paugus bay from The Margate towards Weirs. I'm about 200' behind another boat and some guy cuts between my boat and the boat in front of me, pulling a tube with two young kids on it.

We have a solution to that now....HB847
And nobody to enforce it - or any of the existing laws...

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Ryan

We have a solution to that now....HB847
And nobody to enforce it - or any of the existing laws...

This is the problem- HB 847 will only be germane in this case if the boat that cut between the boats was speeding.

Enforcement of existing rules and laws, in this case the 150' rule, would solve this problem. I am on the lake fairly regularly and, quite frankly have much bigger issues with 150' rule violators than I do with speeders. If a boat is 150' plus from anything (especially us)speed is fine by me! (Note my old BR topped out at a whopping 48 last week so I have no skin in the game)