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Old 07-04-2008, 01:13 PM   #1
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I always just hit the > character in the lower right corner of the last post box and no matter how many posts or pages it brings me to the last post. Then I go up from there.
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Old 07-07-2008, 10:55 AM   #2
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Better yet, click on the button to the left of the thread title, it takes you directly to the first post since the last time you viewed the forum.
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Old 07-14-2008, 07:46 AM   #3
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This was photographed on the line of trajectory, with the white area being the impact site. The anchor strike is directly in line, having hit just below the window.

What appears as white in color is light pink. The outer, circular, margins show how the hull collapsed upon impact.

This is obviously NOT a 5 foot wall as speculated on here earlier.
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This was photographed on the line of trajectory, with the white area being the impact site. The anchor strike is directly in line, having hit just below the window.

What appears as white in color is light pink. The outer, circular, margins show how the hull collapsed upon impact.

This is obviously NOT a 5 foot wall as speculated on here earlier.
How much of that wall is below the water line?
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Old 07-14-2008, 10:42 PM   #5
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This is obviously NOT a 5 foot wall as speculated on here earlier.
No, but not too far from it. Probably pushing 4 feet anyhow. Compare it to the window height from the bottom of the house as a gauge.
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Based on my caculations from the picture on my screen that wall would be about 4 ft 8 1/2 inches at it's highest point.The granite wall measures 13/16ths on my screen and the house wall measures 1 3/8ths.Divide those 2 numbers and you get the granite being.59% of the house.Based on an 8 ft house wall x .59 that = 4 ft 8.6 inches.Is that so far from 5 ft?What the heck is your point anyway?
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Based on my caculations from the picture on my screen that wall would be about 4 ft 8 1/2 inches at it's highest point.The granite wall measures 13/16ths on my screen and the house wall measures 1 3/8ths.Divide those 2 numbers and you get the granite being.59% of the house.Based on an 8 ft house wall x .59 that = 4 ft 8.6 inches.Is that so far from 5 ft?What the heck is your point anyway?
Thanks Sik, I was going to do that math but you beat me to it- it looked close to me, too!
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Old 07-18-2008, 11:03 AM   #8
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I'm sure the investigation has the height measured exactly. There's no better way to determine terminal velocity than that.

The amount of hull out of the water at collision can be easily measured based on the widest scuff marks on the ledge. Just compare that measurement to the widest comparable damage on the hull. A comparison-speed with the same amount of hull out of the water with an identical Formula performance cruiser can determine the speed when striking the island.

The depth of the ledge below the waterline is immaterial.

The 5 foot guess, posted earlier, was retracted by the author.

For comparison, this cruiser collision appeared at Boat-Ed.com., having struck a berm. There were no injuries in this collision.
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Always important to add "Performance Cruiser" to the sentence. I'd suspect the water level was higher back then, so five feet may be a stretch. I think the boat would have sustained more bottom damage if it had struck at plowing speed, maybe even ran up on the wall a bit. Not really germaine to any argument, I think everyone has indicated the boat was somewhere on plane at the time of impact. The damage from the berm impact you show seems far worse to me.

I'd still guess 25 to 30. Any faster and I'd have to believe the damage would be far greater. But I'm not even close to having the knowledge to arrive at anything more than a WAG. I'm more focused on the why and how of it. I know you have other intentions.

Now that I know there are adult adolescents that go about revving their engines, and bombing down waterways late at night after drinking, I'm against GFBL boats. Once the speed limit is put into place, there will no longer be drunken, obnoxious boaters on the lake.
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Old 07-19-2008, 01:08 PM   #10
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Once the speed limit is put into place, there will no longer be drunken, obnoxious boaters on the lake.
Kind of like how there are no longer 150' violations since the law was put into place.

I'm neither for nor against a speed limit, but that was sarcasm, right?
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:23 PM   #11
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When the Dr. Rock report was broadcast last night, the reporter said the driver of the boat died. I questioned what I thought I had heard, but she repeated it again at the end of the broadcast. Today's online posting reads a little differently, noting that a passenger died, but the final paragraph still reads as though the driver died in the crash.

I'm not splitting hairs here in terms of the reporting or writing -- I think she just made a mistake. But after seeing last night's broadcast, I was wondering if the reporter knew something the rest of us had yet to learn.
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When the Dr. Rock report was broadcast last night, the reporter said the driver of the boat died. I questioned what I thought I had heard, but she repeated it again at the end of the broadcast. Today's online posting reads a little differently, noting that a passenger died, but the final paragraph still reads as though the driver died in the crash.

I'm not splitting hairs here in terms of the reporting or writing -- I think she just made a mistake. But after seeing last night's broadcast, I was wondering if the reporter knew something the rest of us had yet to learn.
I heard the exact same thing on the 11pm newscast. It definately perked my ears up. I read the online article today, it says Erica was released from the hospital.
Poor reporting? Or perhaps the facts have been reported wrong from the start...who was really driving the boat?
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To rephrase WMUR's old slogan, "No one knows New Hampshire like we do!", let me offer a new slogan for WMUR, "No one screws up news reporting in New Hampshire like we do!"

They are the worst when it comes to reporting the news with frequent typos in the on-screen banners, mis-pronounced names of people AND places, incorrect locations on their map of NH when talking about a particular city/town; the list goes on and on!!
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Old 08-13-2008, 05:13 PM   #17
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To rephrase WMUR's old slogan, "No one knows New Hampshire like we do!", let me offer a new slogan for WMUR, "No one screws up news reporting in New Hampshire like we do!"

They are the worst when it comes to reporting the news with frequent typos in the on-screen banners, mis-pronounced names of people AND places, incorrect locations on their map of NH when talking about a particular city/town; the list goes on and on!!
Boy, I have to agree with you 110%!

But I actually have a better motto for our "if it bleeds it leads" station.

No one scares New Hampshire like we do....

And their website? My gosh, what a convoluted confusing mess....

But I am wayyyyy off topic here and apologize for same!

Sorry, my rant for the day....but if you are depending on WMUR for accurate and timely coverage on New Hampshire events, you definitely need to broaden your horizons!
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If you think they are bad try reading The Laconia Citizen! They have reported before that a one year old was arrested for driving after revocation of his license and in the same police log reported a 3 year old who was arrested for being drunk. We had a great time for a few weeks emailing the editor every day with every single error that we found. He was rather offended and asked what we had against him. We told him nothing against him, just shocked that the local paper was so poorly written and had so many grammatical and factual errors. Sorry for the quick hijack! Just had to point out the disaster that The Ictizen is. Maybe if enough of us point out errors to the editor he will hire a proof reader.
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Baja, I had to laugh. You are so right. WMUR is not on the leading edge of news reporting. Skarupa is the only good thing they have going for it. I couldn't believe it when I watched the Maine news channel getting a guided tour of the tornado wreckage and the WMUR team kept saying they weren't allowed in. Plain embarrassing if you ask me.

Anyway....So who knows what is going on with this investigation? Has any criminal charges been filed. I haven't heard anything about it lately other than the doctor getting a merit citation. I'd like to get a copy of that guys accident scene statement, as to whether he thought alcohol was involved.

I don't agree with the parking lot analogy myself. This woman was the president of a boating Association. She should have known better than to even take the lines off the dock. She should have known her speed was too great for the conditions. Period. She could just as easily called for a taxi. She has no excuse in my eyes at all. I'm also interested to see if this gets swept under the rug because of political ties, and community standings.
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Baja, I had to laugh. You are so right. WMUR is not on the leading edge of news reporting. Skarupa is the only good thing they have going for it. I couldn't believe it when I watched the Maine news channel getting a guided tour of the tornado wreckage and the WMUR team kept saying they weren't allowed in. Plain embarrassing if you ask me.

Anyway....So who knows what is going on with this investigation? Has any criminal charges been filed. I haven't heard anything about it lately other than the doctor getting a merit citation. I'd like to get a copy of that guys accident scene statement, as to whether he thought alcohol was involved.

I don't agree with the parking lot analogy myself. This woman was the president of a boating Association. She should have known better than to even take the lines off the dock. She should have known her speed was too great for the conditions. Period. She could just as easily called for a taxi. She has no excuse in my eyes at all. I'm also interested to see if this gets swept under the rug because of political ties, and community standings.
I don't think there are any taxis that will take you to Sleepers Island at 2 AM.

The authorities know they are under a microscope on the one. Nothing is going to be "swept under the rug".

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Anyway....So who knows what is going on with this investigation? Has any criminal charges been filed. I haven't heard anything about it lately other than the doctor getting a merit citation. I'd like to get a copy of that guys accident scene statement, as to whether he thought alcohol was involved.

I don't agree with the parking lot analogy myself. This woman was the president of a boating Association. She should have known better than to even take the lines off the dock. She should have known her speed was too great for the conditions. Period. She could just as easily called for a taxi. She has no excuse in my eyes at all. I'm also interested to see if this gets swept under the rug because of political ties, and community standings.
Interesting how you ask IF alchohol was involved and how the investigation is going and then proceed to comdemn her without any official facts at all.You know something the rest of us don't or are you just another troll that needs to stir the pot and give your totally biased opinion based on zero official info.Oh that's right,you already stated that investigation probably won't mean much because it will be "swept under the rug".I really don't understand peoples thinking sometimes.
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