Depth Question

[jayhawk_nation]

Hi all,
I am relatively new to the lake; this is our second year on it, and we are finally looking for a house to buy. We have found a few houses that look good, however, I have concerns about whether my boat is even able to get to them. I guess my question is, should I be worried about my boat getting through a shallow spot to get to the dock? For example, there is a place in Morrison Cove. My boat has a draft of 20 without engines, so I bet 25 inches max with the engines trimmed up to be safe. For any of those who own a house on the lake and have a dock, is it tricky to get there? Do I need to cheek it out with my boat once the season starts?
Anything helps, thanks!

[DesertDweller]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Hi all,
I am relatively new to the lake; this is our second year on it, and we are finally looking for a house to buy. We have found a few houses that look good, however, I have concerns about whether my boat is even able to get to them. I guess my question is, should I be worried about my boat getting through a shallow spot to get to the dock? For example, there is a place in Morrison Cove. My boat has a draft of 20 without engines, so I bet 25 inches max with the engines trimmed up to be safe. For any of those who own a house on the lake and have a dock, is it tricky to get there? Do I need to cheek it out with my boat once the season starts?
Anything helps, thanks!

We looked at a house on Lunt Road which is on Morrison Cove. My memory is that there was not a lot of water back there. My recommendation would be to get a paper Bizer map and scout out the area (especially rocks). This time of year won't be the issue. When they start drawing down the lake in the fall will be the problem.

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by DesertDweller

We looked at a house on Lunt Road which is on Morrison Cove. My memory is that there was not a lot of water back there. My recommendation would be to get a paper Bizer map and scout out the area (especially rocks). This time of year won't be the issue. When they start drawing down the lake in the fall will be the problem.

From the pictures that I saw on the listing, it didn't look like it had a lot. However, it looked like they were taken at the end of winter or fall. Not sure how that changes things.
I also don't see us being up there on the boat much past September, maybe. Kids have school and such.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

From the pictures that I saw on the listing, it didn't look like it had a lot. However, it looked like they were taken at the end of winter or fall. Not sure how that changes things.

I also don't see us being up there on the boat much past September, maybe. Kids have school and such.

You might not be up there late in the season NOW, but when the kids are gone?

Also, shallower areas are valued less and, frankly, I'd be concerned about long-term changes.

Good luck!

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[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

You might not be up there late in the season NOW, but when the kids are gone?

Also, shallower areas are valued less and, frankly, I'd be concerned about long-term changes.

Good luck!

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Fair point! Worst case, we can continue to store it at the marina we store it at now. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a lakefront house if we need to drive to our boat.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Fair point! Worst case, we can continue to store it at the marina we store it at now. Kind of defeats the purpose of having a lakefront house if we need to drive to our boat.

For me, it is a question of what you can afford. If it is a stretch for you to be on the lake, then I would put up with something like this for a short amount of time. If you are planning to stay in this home for many years, I think you would find it very annoying after a while.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Fair point! Kind of defeats the purpose of having a lakefront house if we need to drive to our boat.

It does! I would not worry about a few rocks or a shallow area that you can navigate around once you know the way. But too shallow in general, and/or not good for swimming? Waterfront is too expensive for that

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It does! I would not worry about a few rocks or a shallow area that you can navigate around once you know the way. But too shallow in general, and/or not good for swimming? Waterfront is too expensive for that

Wouldn't it be a question of cost?

Like, I can see that I would be willing to pay a certain amount for "boat only" waterfront and more for a real nice swimming area, beach, etc.

It would have to be much, MUCH less expensive, though, to only get a view.

OP: what's your timeline? I've gotta think that, with all the current market tumult, we'll start to see the market improve for buyers.

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[Winilyme]

We had similar concerns when looking to buy on the lake ten years ago. Several of the places we considered had very shallow water that nevertheless was clean and reliably got deeper as one moved further offshore. Thing is, that meant very long docks (60 ft +) to get the boat out to where it could be tied up in consistently deep enough water. I didn't like the idea of maintaining that length of dock nor was I overly excited about the large shallow swim areas; so we passed.

We opted for a home with a 30-foot dock thanks to a quick bottom drop off and no underwater obstacles. LOL - after all that I now only have a jet ski tied up to it. But the swimming is great!

I say - if a boat is critical to your home experience (it sounds like it is), steer clear of areas that offer questionable maneuverability. At a minimum, you will constantly be worrying about it in the late summer-early fall especially. If a boat isn't critical, then by all means consider the purchase as long as you are comfortable that the price you pay is reflective of the compromised dockage opportunity and other possible drawbacks such as quality swimming and clean water (some of the smaller coves don't have a lot of water movement).

[jayhawk_nation]

Thank you guys. I think I will try to make the trip up there to see what it's like. I looked at the map and didn't see anything major, however, it still could be a worry. I would rather not have to think about it at all times and worry about it, but to that end, is there any lakefront house that has perfect boat access? It gets shallow no matter where you are. Just depends on how shallow and the rock situation.

Another question, then, is more specific about a property. It has one of those temporary docks. I am not sure why, but from what I saw, it made it seem like getting a real dock was not available. It is a very protected spot, not sure if that matters. My concern would be that this temporary dock is quite close to shore, which may add to issues.
Would you think that, if I wanted to, I could put in a longer and more substantial dock? Not sure how that would work.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Thank you guys. I think I will try to make the trip up there to see what it's like. I looked at the map and didn't see anything major, however, it still could be a worry. I would rather not have to think about it at all times and worry about it, but to that end, is there any lakefront house that has perfect boat access? It gets shallow no matter where you are. Just depends on how shallow and the rock situation.

Another question, then, is more specific about a property. It has one of those temporary docks. I am not sure why, but from what I saw, it made it seem like getting a real dock was not available. It is a very protected spot, not sure if that matters. My concern would be that this temporary dock is quite close to shore, which may add to issues.
Would you think that, if I wanted to, I could put in a longer and more substantial dock? Not sure how that would work.

Maybe, you could tell us what property you are interested in. I’m sure you’ll get a lot more feedback. It sounds like there could be a lot of problems.

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Maybe, you could tell us what property you are interested in. I’m sure you’ll get a lot more feedback. It sounds like there could be a lot of problems.

65 beede rd moultonborough nh

This is just one of them. I would say this is the one I have the most concerns with in terms of boat stuff.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

65 beede rd moultonborough nh

This is just one of them. I would say this is the one I have the most concerns with in terms of boat stuff.

This house is listed for sale for $5.5 million! If you have this amount of money, you should be able to find the most perfect, wonderful house available. You should not be cutting corners and making do. You are in a much better position than most people. You should not settle for anything except the best! No need to make concessions when you have this much to spend.

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

This house is listed for sale for $5.5 million! If you have this amount of money, you should be able to find the most perfect, wonderful house available. You should not be cutting corners and making do. You are in a much better position than most people. You should not settle for anything except the best! No need to make concessions when you have this much to spend.

Fair point.

[Descant]

All good questions. I'd start by looking at the existing dock. If none, that's one set of answers. If temporary seasonal dock and it's not deep enough, can you add another section to get to deeper water? If it's a permanent dock, you can measure the depth easily. Lots of places have a rock or two that gets marked with a bleach bottle in the fall. You just need to be able to tell your boating guests where to go.

What is the exposure? If wind or boat wakes will move your boat up/down a foot or more, you need more depth, or a lift. As kids get older/heavier/more friends, will you be getting a bigger boat? Second boat? Jet skis?

Long term, lots of lake front houses get major renovations, get relocated or bulldozed. Put your money into the best waterfront possible and deal with house issues later.

Many realtors show properties by boat. If they say "I can't rake my boat there", you may not need to see the property.

[Susie Cougar]

I agree with Descant. you need to find the best property for your needs, and whether you have to build something new, or renovate, you have the means to do so.
There is not a whole lot for sale right now in Moultonborough, but more will definitely come on the market.

[DesertDweller]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

65 beede rd moultonborough nh

This is just one of them. I would say this is the one I have the most concerns with in terms of boat stuff.

I fish at the mouth that cove all the time. As you are heading into the cove stay to your right (after entering the cove--there are a ton on rocks at the point) and then there is plenty of water. There is a massive set of rocks off to the left about halfway up the cove. Once you get beyond that it's probably ranges from 3 to 5 feet of water. That's a beautiful house. Has a huge sandy beach as I recall. With that said, if docking/boating is the main criteria, at that price point you can do far better.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

This house is listed for sale for $5.5 million! If you have this amount of money, you should be able to find the most perfect, wonderful house available. You should not be cutting corners and making do. You are in a much better position than most people. You should not settle for anything except the best! No need to make concessions when you have this much to spend.

TOTALLY agree, especially if the OP is ready to go at that price.

Though the description, above, sounds like it might be ok, I've gotta think that money would get something that would come without such a major concern.

*Edited to add that, in terms of location on the lake, it's pretty great. Close enough to the north to escape the busy/rough areas but close enough to the main lake to get anywhere quickly (especially if the vessel can fit under the LI bridge).

That being said, I'd really have to see what the water looks like—although it appears to be a nice beach it's tough to tell about the water—and I'd DEFINITELY be checking out this stretch of what looks to be shallow rocks in the photo...especially in low water/late season.

Also, OP, thanks for a great thread—I love reading about people's searches and others' (learned) suggestions.

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[Susie Cougar]

Thanks for the picture, think. It definitely looks problematic for a boat and there is no view at all.

To the OP, what other properties are you looking at?

[retired]

You could always put a kayak in the water and check the depths to your dock with a tape measure. Old school.

[jayhawk_nation]

Thanks for the help, everyone. I agree with you all that at this price point, having major concerns such as this that I need to deal with is not ideal. I plan on trying to make a trip up there to visit a few properties, and I might try to take out my paddleboard and try to see what it's like.

Another general question, not necessarily about any specific home, but how easy is it to add on to a dock if I wanted to purchase a jet ski in the future? I know that's something my kids would enjoy. Looking at this house as an example, how would adding a seasonal dock work? Do I get a whole separate one? Curious what other people do with their jet skis as well. Don't know if I'm ready to own them yet, though! They sound like they could be challenging at times.

Lastly, I have not really navigated this place on the lake very often. Our boat is currently stored down at Weirs, so we didn't venture this way last year. How is it up here? Just glancing at my map, looks to be all kinds of rocks and channels. Just wondering if this would be a challenge at all.
Thanks

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Thanks for the help, everyone. I agree with you all that at this price point, having major concerns such as this that I need to deal with is not ideal. I plan on trying to make a trip up there to visit a few properties, and I might try to take out my paddleboard and try to see what it's like.

Another general question, not necessarily about any specific home, but how easy is it to add on to a dock if I wanted to purchase a jet ski in the future? I know that's something my kids would enjoy. Looking at this house as an example, how would adding a seasonal dock work? Do I get a whole separate one? Curious what other people do with their jet skis as well. Don't know if I'm ready to own them yet, though! They sound like they could be challenging at times.

Lastly, I have not really navigated this place on the lake very often. Our boat is currently stored down at Weirs, so we didn't venture this way last year. How is it up here? Just glancing at my map, looks to be all kinds of rocks and channels. Just wondering if this would be a challenge at all.

Thanks

That direct area—the cove and just outside—is fine, but you're right in the middle of what I define as The North and South. If you look at where the arrow is pointing, that is bringing you east/north to where what most people agree is the most challenging navigational area on the lake (Moultonborough Bay on up to Greene's Basin). We see people making bad decisions up there all the time.

We've been in Hanson Cove, the last cove before Greene's Basin, for 11 years and (knock on wood) have only ever scraped (a very tiny rub) once, and that was on a late season, pitch black night when I was literally an inch off.

With a good chart/knowledge/GPS, I don't think there's anywhere on the lake I would avoid for navigational reasons...


...unless it's often shallow depth/full of hazards naturally, which is my concern looking at that photo I posted.

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[TiltonBB]

The northern area of the lake certainly has more rocks and navigation challenges. The more central you are the easier it is to get to the different towns on the lake. Your budget is one that opens a lot of possibilities that most first time lakefront home buyers don't have.

It would be nice to have a location where you didn't have to worry about rocks when you dock. I have a friend who stands on the dock every time I visit yelling about watching out for the rock 30 feet off the end of his dock. After all these years, I am surprised he has not joined the Winnipesaukee top secret move a rock club.

If you are commuting to the new home for weekends and vacations the driving time involved should come into play, especially if you have young children in the car. Living in that house with a family will make it necessary to shop for groceries and many other things that you will use the nearby stores for. That distance should also be a consideration.

I am very fortunate to be in Gilford. Although the area may be busier than some would like, when I am at the house, what is going on in road traffic is not a concern. If you are someone who takes on projects at home then it would be nice to have a home supply store nearby. There are some days that I have gone to Lowes 2 or 3 times (poor planning) and I am glad it is right up the street.

[Asloren1]

I would definitely recommend reaching out to one of the waterfront
/dock construction companies such as Watermark (which I’ve used for our new construction house in Wolfeboro).

They can meet you onsite with their boat and likely will be able to assess pretty quickly what is feasible or not.

Also, ANY change to an existing dock or new dock install requires state DES permit approval (depending on the nature of the dock this may be simple permit by notification or more complicated shoreland permitting).

Reaching out to one of these companies early in your process can save much headache or disappointment down the road. You definitely want to know what you can do before making any purchase.

[Biggd]

I agree with others here, at that price point I think you can do better.
Keep looking, more properties will surely be coming available

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

I plan on trying to make a trip up there to visit a few properties, and I might try to take out my paddleboard and try to see what it's like.

At the risk of sounding like your Mom...great idea to visit, by both land and water, but maybe dangerous to paddleboard this time of year--the water is VERY cold, you may not be able to move if you slip in

Bigger picture--I agree with the others--at $5MM you should not have a significant compromise in location or in style of home, with each of these based on your personal preferences. This home is stunning (I especially like the flavor shots at the cappuccino bar ). But it's a very definite taste, just make sure it's yours. It took us a year to find a place, and that was when the market was much larger. Good luck!

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Hi all,
I am relatively new to the lake; this is our second year on it, and we are finally looking for a house to buy. We have found a few houses that look good, however, I have concerns about whether my boat is even able to get to them. I guess my question is, should I be worried about my boat getting through a shallow spot to get to the dock? For example, there is a place in Morrison Cove. My boat has a draft of 20 without engines, so I bet 25 inches max with the engines trimmed up to be safe. For any of those who own a house on the lake and have a dock, is it tricky to get there? Do I need to cheek it out with my boat once the season starts?
Anything helps, thanks!

You can always mark rocks or learn the best way in but a sandy beach is what I would be wanting.No fun swimming in rocky areas

[jayhawk_nation]

Thanks for the great advice, everyone. You guys are right. Rather, wait and find the perfect house. I will keep looking around.
My only other thought is, no matter where we go, am I gonna face this same issue? Our boat is quite big, and does not do good in shallow water. I'm assuming no matter where I go, I'm gonna have a few issues. Can anyone relate to this? MaybeI am the issue here We are still new to the lake and learning stuff as we go.

For anyone who has a deal dock vs and seasonal one. Pros/cons? Im curious if this should factor into my decision at all. Thanks everyone

[TheTimeTraveler]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

From the pictures that I saw on the listing, it didn't look like it had a lot. However, it looked like they were taken at the end of winter or fall. Not sure how that changes things.
I also don't see us being up there on the boat much past September, maybe. Kids have school and such.

Don't forget; These questions you have now are the same questions that a subsequent buyer may have if and when you decide to sell.

Bottom line? Be sure this meets not only your needs but the needs of anyone who follows you if you decide to rent or sell.

Personal opinion only: I predict Real Estate prices will be adjusting lower this year due to the lower GDP growth just announced......

[garysanfran]

Here's the link in case all fails

https://earth.google.com/web/search/..._________8BEAA

[burgerunh]

If you like sunsets and afternoon sun, Western exposure is what you seek!

That house has eastern exposure which means you will have sun in the morning and shade in the afternoon. That might be nice in July and August when its super hot but the rest of the year you will be cold! I love my sunny afternoons overlooking the water!

[Garcia]

I know it's not the same, but have you considered an island property? Island living is not for everyone - certainly worth looking and seeing if the pros outweigh the cons.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

For anyone who has a deal dock vs and seasonal one. Pros/cons? Im curious if this should factor into my decision at all. Thanks everyone

As an island resident, we have more than one boat and more than average docking capacity. On the south side of Welch, we are exposed to the broads and everybody has a breakwater--no temporary docks. Even in a calm cove, if people are wake surfing and the boats move up and down with wake action, no temporary seasonal dock will remain in place. Note that if you might buy jet skis in the future some coves have related restrictions. Once built, there is almost no maintenance to the breakwaters, but decking has to be replaced as with any wood structure that is exposed to weather.

[tis]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Thanks for the great advice, everyone. You guys are right. Rather, wait and find the perfect house. I will keep looking around.
My only other thought is, no matter where we go, am I gonna face this same issue? Our boat is quite big, and does not do good in shallow water. I'm assuming no matter where I go, I'm gonna have a few issues. Can anyone relate to this? MaybeI am the issue here We are still new to the lake and learning stuff as we go.

For anyone who has a deal dock vs and seasonal one. Pros/cons? Im curious if this should factor into my decision at all. Thanks everyone

I don't think shallow in itself necessarily means elimination. My parent's is very shallow walking right out to over your head with no drop off. It is all sandy and we knew where the very few rocks were. When we were young our first boat was a Century 27' and we spent weekends in it there. A couple weeks in the fall could make it tough if not impossible to go all the way in. Our house now has deeper water but still no big dropoff. I personally, as Samiam said, would rather have a nice place to swim than deep water at the dock. Of course personal preference is important.

[tis]

Originally Posted by burgerunh

If you like sunsets and afternoon sun, Western exposure is what you seek!

That house has eastern exposure which means you will have sun in the morning and shade in the afternoon. That might be nice in July and August when it's super hot but the rest of the year you will be cold! I love my sunny afternoons overlooking the water!

Most people prefer western exposure but our house faces east. However, our lot is big so we get all day sun because it is open. You are right in most cases though. It's hard to figure out all the "perfect" options.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by tis

I don't think shallow in itself necessarily means elimination. My parent's is very shallow walking right out to over your head with no drop off. It is all sandy and we knew where the very few rocks were. When we were young our first boat was a Century 27' and we spent weekends in it there. A couple weeks in the fall could make it tough if not impossible to go all the way in. Our house now has deeper water but still no big dropoff. I personally, as Samiam said, would rather have a nice place to swim than deep water at the dock. Of course personal preference is important.

For $5M, there should be no "could make it tough" caveats.

Also, I always looked at Island property as a decision for value. I know it's not the case for everyone, but, again, $5M should buy a mainland property with year-round/much simpler access.

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[tis]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

For $5M, there should be no "could make it tough" caveats.

Also, I always looked at Island property as a decision for value. I know it's not the case for everyone, but, again, $5M should buy a mainland property with year-round/much simpler access.

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WEll, as you know, no matter how much you pay you are not likely going to find a house that's perfect. Close, maybe but never perfect. If a couple of weeks of shallow water bothers one, then that's not the house for them. We could have extended our dock but the issue of shallow water didn't bother us that much to do that. I do believe it is still allowed to extend a dock if you have shallow water. When we bought our house, the most important things to me were not to be in the broads due to the rough and cold winds in the winter, no association, and no steep hill to the water. We also didn't want a tiny lot. Yet how can you beat the views in the broads? So what I am saying is you have to decide what is important to you.

Something else to think of is if the color of the water is important to you. Alton Bay and Melvin Village up to Moultonboro tend to have a brownish color. I never knew why? Minerals? Somebody else had mentioned this before and I was surprised because you don't hear of it often.

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by tis

WEll, as you know, no matter how much you pay you are not likely going to find a house that's perfect. Close, maybe but never perfect. If a couple of weeks of shallow water bothers one, then that's not the house for them. We could have extended our dock but the issue of shallow water didn't bother us that much to do that. I do believe it is still allowed to extend a dock if you have shallow water. When we bought our house, the most important things to me were not to be in the broads due to the rough and cold winds in the winter, no association, and no steep hill to the water. We also didn't want a tiny lot. Yet how can you beat the views in the broads? So what I am saying is you have to decide what is important to you.

Something else to think of is if the color of the water is important to you. Alton Bay and Melvin Village up to Moultonboro tend to have a brownish color. I never knew why? Minerals? Somebody else had mentioned this before and I was surprised because you don't hear of it often.

I agree with this, the house is not gonna be perfect. I think I will have issues with depth on this lake, no matter what, with my boat. About the seasonal dock, I am going to assume that this area does not have any problems with wake, because every dock in this cove is a temporary one. I assume if everyone is doing it, I would be ok, but the last thing I want is damage to that and damage to my boat. Something I would have to think about.

About island living... I don't think I am ready for that. I think the goal for the family would be quick and easy access. Not only to the house itself, but the stores and whatnot. I am also the only person in the family who drives the boat, so if I am not there, there would be issues. Curious to hear what people's opinions are on living on an island
Additionally, some people mentioned the house is not facing the sunset. Is this a deal breaker in your opinion? I would say as a family, we are not morning people, so light in the morning isn't a huge deal. How much does not facing the sunset really affect things? Not everyone can face it on the lake, so undoubtedly some people don't and must like it.

[tis]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

I agree with this, the house is not gonna be perfect. I think I will have issues with depth on this lake, no matter what, with my boat. About the seasonal dock, I am going to assume that this area does not have any problems with wake, because every dock in this cove is a temporary one. I assume if everyone is doing it, I would be ok, but the last thing I want is damage to that and damage to my boat. Something I would have to think about.

About island living... I don't think I am ready for that. I think the goal for the family would be quick and easy access. Not only to the house itself, but the stores and whatnot. I am also the only person in the family who drives the boat, so if I am not there, there would be issues. Curious to hear what people's opinions are on living on an island
Additionally, some people mentioned the house is not facing the sunset. Is this a deal breaker in your opinion? I would say as a family, we are not morning people, so light in the morning isn't a huge deal. How much does not facing the sunset really affect things? Not everyone can face it on the lake, so undoubtedly some people don't and must like it.

As I said, our house is very open so although we don't face west, we get all day sun. But although I can live without the sunset, the sunrise is also beautiful, it is nice to have afternoon sun when you are out there. That being said, how many of us dare bake in the sun anymore.

Our first house was on an island and it was fun and we loved it, but you have to be prepared for the extra work and expense for instance if you need to hire a barge. It doubles up everything so you have to be prepared, like getting groceries-it's bad enough to put it in your car, then into you house, now you have to take it out of your car and into your boat. But as I get older, I feel I am trying to make everything easier.

[thinkxingu]

I get that the house isn't going to be perfect, but I have to think there are a LOT of homes at that price to choose from that would allow avoiding/minimizing most of the caveats.

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[tis]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I get that the house isn't going to be perfect, but I have to think there are a LOT of homes at that price to choose from that would allow avoiding/minimizing most of the caveats.

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Exactly. We have to decided what we absolutely want and what we don't but can live with.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

I agree with this, the house is not gonna be perfect. I think I will have issues with depth on this lake, no matter what, with my boat.

After you buy the house, the boat you have may not be the boat you keep. I had a large flybridge cruiser at Mountainview for many years. We thought of it as a small summer home and used it on most weekends and summer vacations.

In 2004 when I bought the Gilford house we no longer needed a boat to sleep on. Since then, I have had bowriders in the 26 to 31 foot range. There is plenty of room for family, friends, and guests, and we can go under the Governor's Island and Long Island bridges again.

An added benefit, a smaller boat will use about 1/3 the fuel the large boats use. It is also much easier in a smaller boat to find docking when visiting the towns on the lake. If you end up in an area that is sometimes rough (I did) a boat that weighs less will do a lot less pulling on the dock on rough days. There are many houses that have more than 5 feet or depth at the end of the dock.

Since you mentioned jet skis, unless you are in a relatively calm area, jet skis are sometimes difficult to tie to a dock without damage when they move around. Jet ski lifts are inexpensive and secure them much better than tying them to a dock. I bought lifts and put Harbor Freight electric motors on them so we didn't have to hand crank them up and down.

[BillTex]

Maybe you should consider a different boat…

[Biggd]

If I was looking in the 5 million dollar price range, I would be picky. The 3 most important things when buying real estate apply here, location, location. location. While I agreed, you're not going to get everything you want, you can't change the location, you can change the home.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Biggd

If I was looking in the 5 million dollar price range, I would be picky. The 3 most important things when buying real estate apply here, location, location. location. While I agreed, you're not going to get everything you want, you can't change the location, you can change the home.

I totally agree with you. The house can be changed, the location can't.

[tummyman]

If you are a serious buyer, you really need to reach out to a local broker who can steer you correctly. It will not cost you more money and it could really save you a lot in the long run. Best brokers will do a very in depth interview of what your needs are. At your price point, you will have no problem finding help!!! And interview a few before you make any decision. This forum can provide some great suggestions. Remember, location, location, location is what matters. Moultonborough is a great option because of property tax rates, but I would not go towards Moultonborough Bay due to all the rocks. Stay with western views...you will be happier. The correct lot location is what counts. But get some professional help....you can always paddle board around WHEN the correct property comes available. And also remember, the lake right now is at full pond but will go down 1-1.5 feet over the season...that can make a big difference in boating needs. Need to consider low time impacts !!

[Susie Cougar]

I agree with everything that has been said here. I’m sure you’ve heard before that location, location, location is the most important.

I was wondering what kind of a boat do you actually have now? Is it something super special that you would never want to get rid of because that seems to be your primary concern.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I agree with everything that has been said here. I’m sure you’ve heard before that location, location, location is the most important.

I was wondering what kind of a boat do you actually have now? Is it something super special that you would never want to get rid of because that seems to be your primary concern.

Agreed. I have trouble imagining a "larger" boat that only draws 25". I mentioned island docks earlier not to suggest considering an island location but to note the greater dependence on boating, docks and water depth.
As we talk about locations, I note that people built on the best locations first, so that means all the GREAT locations had houses, docks, boat houses, were built in the 20th century. Everything after that is a second or third generation that subdivided. I remember as a kid making an annual trip to Hanson Cove and Green's Basin and my father opining that nobody will ever build here--it's too far away from good roads.

Forty years ago, I was inspecting a proposed purchase with a friend and I asked about some rubble under one end of the house. "That's the remains of one of the two previous houses on this site." But, there was lots of deep water frontage and the original boathouse for his 36' Chris Craft cruiser. He did some more house building and is still there. Several smaller boats later...

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by Descant

Agreed. I have trouble imagining a "larger" boat that only draws 25". I mentioned island docks earlier not to suggest considering an island location but to note the greater dependence on boating, docks and water depth.
As we talk about locations, I note that people built on the best locations first, so that means all the GREAT locations had houses, docks, boat houses, were built in the 20th century. Everything after that is a second or third generation that subdivided. I remember as a kid making an annual trip to Hanson Cove and Green's Basin and my father opining that nobody will ever build here--it's too far away from good roads.

Forty years ago, I was inspecting a proposed purchase with a friend and I asked about some rubble under one end of the house. "That's the remains of one of the two previous houses on this site." But, there was lots of deep water frontage and the original boathouse for his 36' Chris Craft cruiser. He did some more house building and is still there. Several smaller boats later...

My family‘s first house on the lake was in Hanson Cove. We bought it around 1956. It was the house on the very beginning next to what used to be a boys camp and is now Arcadia. We had a boathouse. I always loved it there. It was very peaceful and quiet back then.

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

After you buy the house, the boat you have may not be the boat you keep. I had a large flybridge cruiser at Mountainview for many years. We thought of it as a small summer home and used it on most weekends and summer vacations.

In 2004 when I bought the Gilford house we no longer needed a boat to sleep on. Since then, I have had bowriders in the 26 to 31 foot range. There is plenty of room for family, friends, and guests, and we can go under the Governor's Island and Long Island bridges again.

An added benefit, a smaller boat will use about 1/3 the fuel the large boats use. It is also much easier in a smaller boat to find docking when visiting the towns on the lake. If you end up in an area that is sometimes rough (I did) a boat that weighs less will do a lot less pulling on the dock on rough days. There are many houses that have more than 5 feet or depth at the end of the dock.

Since you mentioned jet skis, unless you are in a relatively calm area, jet skis are sometimes difficult to tie to a dock without damage when they move around. Jek ski lifts are inexpensive and secure them much better than tying them to a dock. I bought lifts and put Harbor Freight electric motors on them so we didn't have to hand crank them up and down.

You are right. I don't know if I see myself keeping the boat we have. Honestly, as the boys get older, I want to have a wake boat. Those seem awesome. Again, this is our second summer on the lake, so we are still learning. Maybe the boat we have isn't what we will need in the future.

[Biggd]

A lot more property will be coming on the market this spring than in the past 5 years. Prices will be high, but more supply will mean sellers will have to be willing to negotiate.

[Susie Cougar]

Have you checked out Governor’s Island in Gilford?

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Have you checked out Governor’s Island in Gilford?

Yes, I have. In fact, I would say that area is one of our favorites on the lake. Finding a house there would be awesome for us.

[beagle]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned regarding the cove properties is how clean is the water? I seem to recall in previous years the presence of cyanobacterial blooms in some of the coves up in Moultonborough. Of course, last year the blooms were everywhere.
We enjoy the afternoon sun as well. Helps warm you up when you come in from swimming in 70 degree water!
In terms of drive distance, we are happy that we bought in Wolfeboro although we saw several houses we really liked in Moultonborough. The drive to Moultonborough would have been 45m to 1hr longer and that would have been a real pain.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by beagle

One thing that hasn't been mentioned regarding the cove properties is how clean is the water? I seem to recall in previous years the presence of cyanobacterial blooms in some of the coves up in Moultonborough. Of course, last year the blooms were everywhere.
We enjoy the afternoon sun as well. Helps warm you up when you come in from swimming in 70 degree water!
In terms of drive distance, we are happy that we bought in Wolfeboro although we saw several houses we really liked in Moultonborough. The drive to Moultonborough would have been 45m to 1hr longer and that would have been a real pain.

That's the reason I bought in Meredith. We looked in Moultonborough also but I was still working at the time and the drive up on Friday nights would have added another hour. Now that I'm retired, I can leave whenever I want but I'm still happy to get to my lake house from Waltham less than 2 hours.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

You are right. I don't know if I see myself keeping the boat we have. Honestly, as the boys get older, I want to have a wake boat. Those seem awesome. Again, this is our second summer on the lake, so we are still learning. Maybe the boat we have isn't what we will need in the future.

Depth will definitely be a concern with a wake boat. Our 24’ Supra drafted 28” and that was one of the more shallow ones I could find as we had depth concerns on Bear. Even still we had issues and damage to the boat from grounding.

[jayhawk_nation]

You guys are right. We also mapped out the drive, and the extra 40 minutes sounds like it would be annoying at times. I would say I highly prefer something in a different area. I also don't like that area on the boat... too many rocks and such. I am hoping more things come on the market soon. In the meantime, we will just enjoy the boat that we already have up there.

[Descant]

Whether it's the lakes region or elsewhere, desirable locations don't always "go on the market". The association or HOA internal communications pass the word around, and deals are made.

[jayhawk_nation]

Question for you guys. If my boat can fit at a dock in early June, with no depth problems. How much does the lake go down throughout the year? Let's say the dock is around 5 or 6 feet deep right now. Come September, what do you guys think it would be? I don't think I'll see our family boating after October, but if we did, would it get considerably worse?

Another question: how do people store their Jet Skis? Both wintertime and what your dock looks like in season. We are unsure if we want to get those in the future, and I'm wondering how easy it would be to get a jet ski lift/dock added onto a current dock.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Question for you guys. If my boat can fit at a dock in early June, with no depth problems. How much does the lake go down throughout the year? Let's say the dock is around 5 or 6 feet deep right now. Come September, what do you guys think it would be? I don't think I'll see our family boating after October, but if we did, would it get considerably worse?

Another question: how do people store their Jet Skis? Both wintertime and what your dock looks like in season. We are unsure if we want to get those in the future, and I'm wondering how easy it would be to get a jet ski lift/dock added onto a current dock.

In early June the lake is usually at "full lake". By the end of September I would say on average the lake is 15"-18" below the full lake level. By November even slightly lower and could be 24" lower like it was this past fall. Here's a water level graph to show what it typically does.... http://www.bizer.com/bztnews.htm

Jet Ski's are usually garage stored or at a local marina or dealer. For example I have and have had jet ski's and for a nominal fee HK Powersports winterizes and stores my jet ski. If you have a dock already, it should be no issue putting a jet ski lift along side of it...

Hope this helps...

Dan

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Question for you guys. If my boat can fit at a dock in early June, with no depth problems. How much does the lake go down throughout the year? Let's say the dock is around 5 or 6 feet deep right now. Come September, what do you guys think it would be? I don't think I'll see our family boating after October, but if we did, would it get considerably worse?

Another question: how do people store their Jet Skis? Both wintertime and what your dock looks like in season. We are unsure if we want to get those in the future, and I'm wondering how easy it would be to get a jet ski lift/dock added onto a current dock.

What is the draft and type of your current (or intended) boat? If you have 6 feet of water, unless you have a really large, deep vessel you should be fine no matter what. At my last place we had 42" at the end of the dock at full lake. I never had a problem with my pontoons or Eastern. My surf boat could be a bit problematic as the levels dropped because of the v-drive setup and 28" draft.

[Descant]

We just tie the jet ski between two docks in the summer with rubber snubbers. At one point we had a homemade ram p with a trailer winch so we weren't taking up dock space, but the in and out was more of a nuisance, so we discontinued the ramp. Trailer to a barn in the winter. Be careful with jet skis. Many families gat one and miraculously, the next year they have two.

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by codeman671

What is the draft and type of your current (or intended) boat? If you have 6 feet of water, unless you have a really large, deep vessel you should be fine no matter what. At my last place we had 42" at the end of the dock at full lake. I never had a problem with my pontoons or Eastern. My surf boat could be a bit problematic as the levels dropped because of the v-drive setup and 28" draft.

I believe the draft of the boat is just over 20 inches without the engines. Shouldn't be a huge issue, right?

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by Descant

We just tie the jet ski between two docks in the summer with rubber snubbers. At one point we had a homemade ram p with a trailer winch so we weren't taking up dock space, but the in and out was more of a nuisance, so we discontinued the ramp. Trailer to a barn in the winter. Be careful with jet skis. Many families gat one and miraculously, the next year they have two.

Fair warning I have a feeling if we choose to get them, I have a feeling we would get two. The ramp you have is a good idea, but it seems a little complicated. My wife would definitely prefer an easy way to access them. I would say I'm confident that we could attach a jet ski lift to the dock, but the dock is a seasonal one. Does that complicate things? Another thing to note is that it comes up to a beach, so maybe we could drive it right up and store it on a dock situation on the sand? Not sure if that helps at all.
Another thing on jet skis is the maintenance required on them, anything worse than my boat already? Are they a huge hassle?

[Descant]

Less complicated is why we stopped using the ramp and just leave it in the water. Note that if you have a lift that is on the bottom, you m ay have to relocate it as water level drops. If you're beaching, there are often recommendations about not running the engine in shallow water so you don't suck sand or weeds through the pump.

[GusMan]

There are two types of jetskis: those that are money pits and those that will be money pits!

Somewhat kidding!

Certainly depends on the skis...

Newer skis, normally aspirated: pretty reliable/low maintenance.
Older skies, supercharged: typically higher maintenance.

All of them require regular maintenance such as oil changes, winterization, new plugs etc. Also, supercharger rebuilds, impeller and electronics replacements will happen as well.

Then add registrations, winterizations, storage and GAS.... lots of GAS!

Like most watercraft... best two days are when you buy them and when you sell them!

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Descant

Less complicated is why we stopped using the ramp and just leave it in the water. Note that if you have a lift that is on the bottom, you m ay have to relocate it as water level drops. If you're beaching, there are often recommendations about not running the engine in shallow water so you don't suck sand or weeds through the pump.

Did that, ended up sucking up a small rock and bending the impeller.

[tis]

Originally Posted by Descant

Less complicated is why we stopped using the ramp and just leave it in the water. Note that if you have a lift that is on the bottom, you m ay have to relocate it as water level drops. If you're beaching, there are often recommendations about not running the engine in shallow water so you don't suck sand or weeds through the pump.

Years ago when I had a jet boat, I went in shallow water, having never been told it could suck up sand.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Fair warning I have a feeling if we choose to get them, I have a feeling we would get two. The ramp you have is a good idea, but it seems a little complicated. My wife would definitely prefer an easy way to access them. I would say I'm confident that we could attach a jet ski lift to the dock, but the dock is a seasonal one. Does that complicate things? Another thing to note is that it comes up to a beach, so maybe we could drive it right up and store it on a dock situation on the sand? Not sure if that helps at all.
Another thing on jet skis is the maintenance required on them, anything worse than my boat already? Are they a huge hassle?

Jet ski lifts are usually free standing and not "attached to the dock". As someone else said, when the water level changes you may need to move the lift or adjust the legs to maintain the right height.

My lifts have usually been placed next to the dock to make it easier to climb on and off.

The last few jet skis I have had have been Yamahas. They seem pretty bullet proof to me. Other than annual oil changes they never need anything.

I have noticed in Florida most of the rental companies have Yamaha jet skis. There must be a reason, I assume dependability.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Jet ski lifts are usually free standing and not "attached to the dock". As someone else said, when the water level changes you may need to move the lift or adjust the legs to maintain the right height.

My lifts have usually been placed next to the dock to make it easier to climb on and off.

The last few jet skis I have had have been Yamahas. They seem pretty bullet proof to me. Other than annual oil changes they never need anything.

I have noticed in Florida most of the rental companies have Yamaha jet skis. There must be a reason, I assume dependability.

Everyone mentioned Yamaha when I was buying my new jet ski, but Sea-Doo just makes a better designed machine. Their front access panel and GTX hull are literal game-changers, and well-maintained machines are all exceptionally reliable.

I took the "I'm just going to pay a bit of money to make this as enjoyable as possible route," which meant I paid DaSilva's to service and store it every year and to keep it maintained. The yearly cost for that was under a grand, which I thought was short money to pick up in spring, use it all summer without issue, and return it in fall without having to think about anything else but having fun.

I do the same with my pontoon with Melvin Village Marina.

To me, getting into an activity means having the money to enjoy it without worrying about the money.

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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Everyone mentioned Yamaha when I was buying my new jet ski, but Sea-Doo just makes a better designed machine. Their front access panel and GTX hull are literal game-changers, and well-maintained machines are all exceptionally reliable.

I took the "I'm just going to pay a bit of money to make this as enjoyable as possible route," which meant I paid DaSilva's to service and store it every year and to keep it maintained. The yearly cost for that was under a grand, which I thought was short money to pick up in spring, use it all summer without issue, and return it in fall without having to think about anything else but having fun.

I do the same with my pontoon with Melvin Village Marina.

To me, getting into an activity means having the money to enjoy it without worrying about the money.

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I agree, I had Sea-Doos also, no issues other than the ones self-inflicted. Sea-Doos also have enclosed cooling system with antifreeze running thru the motor, which is more benificial for ocean use. You can't really go wrong with either one in the lake, Yamaha makes a great ski also.
Personally, I would stay away from the supercharged models, they require more maintenance, and you can get a non-supercharge model that will do 60mph plus.
I had one of each and I had just as much fun on the one that went 60, plus I felt more stress when my grandson was out on the supercharged sea-doo which did 75mph!

[jayhawk_nation]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Jet ski lifts are usually free standing and not "attached to the dock". As someone else said, when the water level changes you may need to move the lift or adjust the legs to maintain the right height.

My lifts have usually been placed next to the dock to make it easier to climb on and off.

The last few jet skis I have had have been Yamahas. They seem pretty bullet proof to me. Other than annual oil changes they never need anything.

I have noticed in Florida most of the rental companies have Yamaha jet skis. There must be a reason, I assume dependability.

Who should I go to about trying to get a lift installed? Do I even need someone?
Also, I store my boat at North Water, I'm assuming they would store my jet skies too, right?
Are there any key differences between the Yamaha and the Sea-Doo? In terms of features and the overall machine. I would definitely just prefer one that is going to be reliable, safe, and last the summer without me having to worry about it too much.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Who should I go to about trying to get a lift installed? Do I even need someone?
Also, I store my boat at North Water, I'm assuming they would store my jet skies too, right?
Are there any key differences between the Yamaha and the Sea-Doo? In terms of features and the overall machine. I would definitely just prefer one that is going to be reliable, safe, and last the summer without me having to worry about it too much.

There are a few different types of lifts to consider.

Standard crank up lifts can be purchased from many vendors and just sit on the bottom. The legs are adjusted with a few bolts and holes to the desired height, based on water depth, wave action, etc. Really no install. A few people can pick them up and maneuver them.

Hydraulic lifts (Sunstream Sunlift) are somewhat similar to the crank ups in that they sit on the bottom on adjustable legs. They have a wider lift range and don't need adjustment as the lake level changes. These are powered by batteries, either plugged in or solar charging. A bit heavier to move, but still 2-3 people can handle them. I consider these the best.

Floating ports- shore port, wave port or others, attach to the dock and float with the lake level. You simply drive up onto them and push them off to launch. They work very well as long as you are in calm water. They work great with Sea Doo hulls, but I would suggest not putting a Yamaha on them. I split the hull on mine last year. The wheels on the ports don't line up well with the bottom design and cracked it along the chines.

Crank up shore ramps, such and the slide-n-go or roll-n-go work great for areas with beaches and gradual shorelines. Easy to install and remove.

At our last place we had 2 slide-n-go's on the beach and 2 Wave Armor ports on the dock. We didn't have good depth to use the hydraulic sunlifts and I am not a fan of crank ups as I lost 2 machines once when the lake level came up sharply in a short timeframe and the machines floated off and away.

HK in Laconia sells both Yamaha and Sea Doo and can service and store them. Don't use North Water for that.

As far as brands are concerned, both are good. I own 2 Sea Doo's and 1 Yamaha currently.

[Winilyme]

We have a standard manual crank up abutting our dock. As mentioned above, you'll need to monitor the water level and (usually) move it further out as the summer and lower water levels run their course. That's an easy one-person job which does however get increasingly uncomfortable as fall and colder water approaches.

I do urge you to carefully assess your planned lift location. In our case, out of necessity, the lift is on a side (left) of our dock which, in October, requires us to move it out and around the far end of the dock and back to an over-the-water deck on which we store it for the winter. That's a two-person job and a pain to drag it over a rocky bottom that in places is five/six feet of cold water at the end of the dock. My wife and I do it now but I'm sure we'll be hiring someone in the not-too-distant future. A steep and rocky bank prevents us from dragging it up onto land from the left side of the dock (it's also a pain getting it back in position in the spring though we somehow manage to do that mostly from the dock itself).

Someday soon, we'll need to have the dock/deck rebuilt and hope to work with a contactor that can figure out a better solution to our situation. There are inflatable airbags made to float a lift if you need to move it a significant distance for set-up or removal (as in our case). This, supposedly, would make the process much easier by simply floating the lift around the dock to where we need to lift it up onto the deck. They're costly however.

Does anyone have any simpler home grown solutions to our type of dilemma?

Nothing is easy.

[WinnisquamZ]

Similar shoreline situation. I use center harbor docks to remove and install my lift. Yes, it’s a expense I would rather not pay, but it’s the cost of boating


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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Who should I go to about trying to get a lift installed? Do I even need someone?
Also, I store my boat at North Water, I'm assuming they would store my jet skies too, right?
Are there any key differences between the Yamaha and the Sea-Doo? In terms of features and the overall machine. I would definitely just prefer one that is going to be reliable, safe, and last the summer without me having to worry about it too much.

A big part of the choice of jet ski brands is personal preference. I have had Sea Doos in past years but they have changed a lot since I had them.

My last three have been Yamahas and they have been trouble free. HK Powersports in Laconia sells both so it might be worth a trip to look at them. They also winter store and pick up and deliver jet skis for customers. They have been great to deal with for the last 30 plus years.

The type of lift you buy will depend upon the property you purchase and the shorefront it has. In some cases crank ups are best, especially if it gets real rough where you are. You can look at lifts at HK too, but I wouldn't buy until I secured a property. That has to be first and will impact the rest of your decisions.

[jayhawk_nation]

Thank you all for all this help.

Which of the jet ski storage options- lift, electric lift, or dock situation is the easiest? The spot we are looking at is in a super calm cove, and I'm pretty sure getting waked out would not be a problem. Also, does one brand of jet ski work best with that situation?

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

Thank you all for all this help.

Which of the jet ski storage options- lift, electric lift, or dock situation is the easiest? The spot we are looking at is in a super calm cove, and I'm pretty sure getting waked out would not be a problem. Also, does one brand of jet ski work best with that situation?

If you go with floating ports avoid a Yamaha. The slide-n-go ramps are quite easy if you have the gradual shorefront for it, plus it doesn't occupy your dock space.

[Descant]

I'd leave it in the water. There are many creative ways to tie it off so it doesn't bang against the dock or take up dock space.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Descant

I'd leave it in the water. There are many creative ways to tie it off so it doesn't bang against the dock or take up dock space.

Esp if you're in a calm cove. I'm in a calm cove and I left mine tied up all season.

[jayhawk_nation]

What does everyone prefer, boat lifts or just tying it up to the dock with the little thing that goes over the top? I have seen them all around, not sure what they are called or what they do. I'm assuming it keeps it from banging onto the dock?

[Winilyme]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

What does everyone prefer, boat lifts or just tying it up to the dock with the little thing that goes over the top? I have seen them all around, not sure what they are called or what they do. I'm assuming it keeps it from banging onto the dock?

For us, in a busy and wavy part of the lake, we’re all-in with the lift. Keeps the hull clean, is stable given the large wakes, and makes it easy to access the ski. I would not feel secure with mooring whips in OUR situation. Yours may be different.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by jayhawk_nation

What does everyone prefer, boat lifts or just tying it up to the dock with the little thing that goes over the top? I have seen them all around, not sure what they are called or what they do. I'm assuming it keeps it from banging onto the dock?

For jet ski's, I definitely prefer a lift over leaving it on a dock or mooring. Besides the convenience for just about every aspect, it makes it much easier to cover which is a must if you want to protect it from the sun when not in use...

Dan