Oh boy....I hate to see stories like this...

[Poor Richard]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

With a taser, the police officer aims and pulls the taser trigger ...... if it doesn't stop the assailant, he goes for his hand gun and kills the assailant.

With a police baton, it can be swung, pushed, jabbed many times. With two hands it can be used as a block. Police Departments around the world have been using police batons for 150-years while the taser is a new tool. Don't discount the 26" police baton as an effective tool in this situation in Gilford. If one had been used instead of a taser, the results would be very different.

Another police tool is mace, that gets sprayed into the assailant's face.

With all the free time you clearly have, I suggest you spend some of it watching the YouTube channel called Donut Operator. There's plenty of content for you to get educated on.

It simple terms, batons don't create the sort of space that promotes officer safety.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

With all the free time you clearly have, I suggest you spend some of it watching the YouTube channel called Donut Operator. There's plenty of content for you to get educated on.

It simple terms, batons don't create the sort of space that promotes officer safety.

Hey ...... your quote of my post doesn't show my last two sentences about ..... 'from a distance. .... mace, a black bear, NH Fish and Game, the Gilford Police, and 17-year old Mischa Fay' ...... kindly, redo the quote?

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Hey ...... your quote of my post doesn't show my last two sentences about ..... 'from a distance. .... mace, a black bear, NH Fish and Game, the Gilford Police, and 17-year old Mischa Fay' ...... kindly, redo the quote?

Mace is hardly used anymore, pepper spray is prevalent now. However, it doesn't always work, especially when drugs are involved. If a subject with a knife is charging you, pepper spray or a baton would not be the weapon of choice. If a taser doesn't stop the threat then a firearm may be the only option left.

Again, we won't know what happened until all the facts are in and the body camera recordings are processed. Decisions have to be made in split seconds and sometimes people are all too willing to blame the police for their actions. That is unfortunate. Unless you were there you will never understand the stress and the threat involved in this or similar situations.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Mace is hardly used anymore, pepper spray is prevalent now. However, it doesn't always work, especially when drugs are involved. If a subject with a knife is charging you, pepper spray or a baton would not be the weapon of choice. If a taser doesn't stop the threat then a firearm may be the only option left.

Again, we won't know what happened until all the facts are in and the body camera recordings are processed. Decisions have to be made in split seconds and sometimes people are all too willing to blame the police for their actions. That is unfortunate. Unless you were there you will never understand the stress and the threat involved in this or similar situations.

You can get a pretty good idea of how quickly things happen on youtube from dash and badge cam video. It's frightening.

There is also video of cops losing their cool and either firing through fear or rage when they probably shouldn't have. Plus at least one case of a cop thinking she was firing her taser but actually firing her gun. I doubt any of this is the case here, but it happens.

The reality is that what works in the movies does not work in real life.

[Poor Richard]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Hey ...... your quote of my post doesn't show my last two sentences about ..... 'from a distance. .... mace, a black bear, NH Fish and Game, the Gilford Police, and 17-year old Mischa Fay' ...... kindly, redo the quote?

Kindly re-read what I quoted. You'll see the two sentences in question are in fact included.

Mace/OC spray, et al and batons do not allow enough space for a given officer's safety.

Additionally, tasers have shown to offer limited effectiveness on folks who are on an adrenaline dump.

I highly recommend checking out Donut Operator on YouTube. It's remarkable what law enforcement is up against on any given day

[Mr. V]

The police were familiar with the boy and his problems.

Misha's family called the police; I have to assume they were in the home snd potentially at risk from Misha when the police arrived?

If so, then I as "the reasonable man" could understand the use of deadly force to protect them from being stabbed.

But if they'd fled, or met the police outside the home upon arrival, then the police would have had the presumably "better" option of quickly retreating when the knife-wielding teen approached them and then await the appearance of mental health professionals to deal with the disturbed young man.

[Poor Richard]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Hey ...... your quote of my post doesn't show my last two sentences about ..... 'from a distance. .... mace, a black bear, NH Fish and Game, the Gilford Police, and 17-year old Mischa Fay' ...... kindly, redo the quote?

Originally Posted by Poor Richard

Kindly re-read what I quoted. You'll see the two sentences in question are in fact included.

My mistake. I see what you're seeing now and I just remembered I did quote everything at first then, before I posted, ended up deleting those specific statements.

Thankfully the statements provided zero substance to the conversation so take comfort in the fact that their absence in the quote is inconsequential.