new speed limit public hearing Sept 25

codeman671 · 09-20-2006, 07:32 AM

I think that we can plan on this being pushed again and again until it does pass. And then pushed and pushed again until it is repealed. Get ready for a long ride! Hopefully at more than 45mph...

Dave R · 09-20-2006, 08:40 AM

Funny how the same folks that praised the democratic process (without fully understanding it...) when HB162 passed in the House of Representatives now wish to circumvent the democratic process entirely by having one person mandate a speed limit. Hopefully common sense will prevail again.

I wish folks that oppose the speed limit would stop using the "it's unenforceable" argument. It reflects poorly on those of us that know a speed limit is easily enforceable using technology the MP already possesses, but is just unnecessary and foolish. "Unnecessary and foolish" is a far better argument, in my opinion.

Lakegeezer · 09-20-2006, 08:58 AM

There were two drownings within four hours of each other this summer due to people choosing to swim in high winds. If safety is the issue, swimming has proven to be most dangerous activity on the lake, yet I don't see that issue being addressed.

The Union Leader article got it right. This is about fear, not safety. I hope the NH department of safety realizes that its mandate is to promote safety, and not reduce hysterical, yet passionate, fear. Freedom of the general public is under attack again by a small political action committee. They may eventually win, but hopefully it won't be this time. It requires public reaction to defend its freedom. Hopefully, safe boaters will react yet again.

KonaChick · 09-20-2006, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave R

Funny how the same folks that praised the democratic process (without fully understanding it...) when HB162 passed in the House of Representatives now wish to circumvent the democratic process entirely by having one person mandate a speed limit. Hopefully common sense will prevail again.

I wish folks that oppose the speed limit would stop using the "it's unenforceable" argument. It reflects poorly on those of us that know a speed limit is easily enforceable using technology the MP already possesses, but is just unnecessary and foolish. "Unnecessary and foolish" is a far better argument, in my opinion.

Calling something "unnecessary and foolish" is subjective and really not a good argument for getting laws passed or not.

Woodsy · 09-20-2006, 09:30 AM

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin

This debate it seems will never end.... Both sides are firmly entrenched in thier beliefs. The up side is that all of the statistics point to Lake Winnipesaukee being a VERY safe body of water to recreate in. The accident rate is down yet again for this year...

I wonder how much money Rusty lost because many Hi-Performance boaters no longer patronize his restaurants?

Woodsy

lake4life · 09-20-2006, 09:47 AM

When can we elect officials who will represent the interests of those who want a lake where non-powered craft can feel safe, but think speeding laws are draconian enough already?

I can see that people don't want high-performance boats, triple V8 boats going 90 mph in the bay. However, I don't think a unilateral speed limit is the right idea. Are lake speeding offenses going to go on your regular drivers license? So are you going to pay more money for your car insurance just because you went 50 mph on your seadoo in the broads?

Every person who runs for state office should have to submit an essay editorial to the newspaper describing what he/she thinks Live Free Or Die means. I would endorse a candidate who thinks it entails favoring creative solutions to problems rather than passing more laws and creating a police-state. NH has always been great place that bucks the trend of laws that manage every facet of our daily lives. IMHO, it would be a tragedy to change this.

Here we go again!

Dave R · 09-20-2006, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KonaChick

Calling something "unnecessary and foolish" is subjective and really not a good argument for getting laws passed or not.

hence the

in my post. Just trying to keep it light and fun.

09-20-2006, 08:58 AM	#3
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,678 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 354 Thanked 639 Times in 290 Posts	If they want safety... There were two drownings within four hours of each other this summer due to people choosing to swim in high winds. If safety is the issue, swimming has proven to be most dangerous activity on the lake, yet I don't see that issue being addressed. The Union Leader article got it right. This is about fear, not safety. I hope the NH department of safety realizes that its mandate is to promote safety, and not reduce hysterical, yet passionate, fear. Freedom of the general public is under attack again by a small political action committee. They may eventually win, but hopefully it won't be this time. It requires public reaction to defend its freedom. Hopefully, safe boaters will react yet again. __________________ -lg

09-20-2006, 09:30 AM	#5
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,966 Thanks: 80 Thanked 980 Times in 440 Posts	"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin This debate it seems will never end.... Both sides are firmly entrenched in thier beliefs. The up side is that all of the statistics point to Lake Winnipesaukee being a VERY safe body of water to recreate in. The accident rate is down yet again for this year... I wonder how much money Rusty lost because many Hi-Performance boaters no longer patronize his restaurants? Woodsy __________________ The only way to eliminate ignorant behavior is through education. You can't fix stupid.

09-20-2006, 07:32 AM	#1
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,499 Thanks: 221 Thanked 815 Times in 489 Posts	I think that we can plan on this being pushed again and again until it does pass. And then pushed and pushed again until it is repealed. Get ready for a long ride! Hopefully at more than 45mph...

09-20-2006, 08:40 AM	#2
Dave R Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 246 Thanked 744 Times in 444 Posts	Funny how the same folks that praised the democratic process (without fully understanding it...) when HB162 passed in the House of Representatives now wish to circumvent the democratic process entirely by having one person mandate a speed limit. Hopefully common sense will prevail again. I wish folks that oppose the speed limit would stop using the "it's unenforceable" argument. It reflects poorly on those of us that know a speed limit is easily enforceable using technology the MP already possesses, but is just unnecessary and foolish. "Unnecessary and foolish" is a far better argument, in my opinion.

09-20-2006, 09:47 AM	#6
lake4life Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 33 Thanks: 2 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts	When can we elect officials who will represent the interests of those who want a lake where non-powered craft can feel safe, but think speeding laws are draconian enough already? I can see that people don't want high-performance boats, triple V8 boats going 90 mph in the bay. However, I don't think a unilateral speed limit is the right idea. Are lake speeding offenses going to go on your regular drivers license? So are you going to pay more money for your car insurance just because you went 50 mph on your seadoo in the broads? Every person who runs for state office should have to submit an essay editorial to the newspaper describing what he/she thinks Live Free Or Die means. I would endorse a candidate who thinks it entails favoring creative solutions to problems rather than passing more laws and creating a police-state. NH has always been great place that bucks the trend of laws that manage every facet of our daily lives. IMHO, it would be a tragedy to change this. Here we go again!