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Biggd · 08-31-2021, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It's not that either the 32 hour person or 50 hour person is crazy or irrational, it's that they have different goals. The 50 hour person is aiming for 2-3 or 10(!) times the reward in the future. I'm not saying one is better or worse, it depends on the person/circumstances. It could be that there are fewer people who believe the sacrifice is worth the potential reward

Over the past 18 months they had a realization that there is more to life than working 24/7 and that there are things they were missing out on by working so much.

phoenix · 08-31-2021, 03:45 PM

I am ok with the trade off assuming people understand that spending has to drop also. Also dont be envious of someone who choses to work longer and has ability to havr a bigger house, kids in private school etc. life is a series of tradeoffs

John Mercier · 08-31-2021, 04:08 PM

That has been going on for awhile.
Some management is now finding that work environment is playing much more of a key role in acquiring and retaining skilled employees. I think the tech industry new about it for years... but it seems to be everywhere now.

For the next several years, we will have more Americans turning 65 than turning 18, so it is going to get tough.

The dichotomy that your speaking about hits only some of us. A couple years ago they were noticing a hygge movement, but cottagecore hadn't really hit its stride.

FlyingScot · 08-31-2021, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by John Mercier

That has been going on for awhile.
Some management is now finding that work environment is playing much more of a key role in acquiring and retaining skilled employees. I think the tech industry new about it for years... but it seems to be everywhere now.

Though people in the tech industry--at least what we think of as the tech industry of hard core programmers with stock options, ping pong tables, and t shirts to the office--work ferociously hard

John Mercier · 08-31-2021, 05:26 PM

I wasn't suggesting that they were not working hard. Just that to keep skilled labor requires management to focus intently on the well-being of that labor - something that industry understood before the rest of us.

VitaBene · 08-31-2021, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

Over the past 18 months they had a realization that there is more to life than working 24/7 and that there are things they were missing out on by working so much.

until he bottom drops out and their soft company lays them off- it will happen... again

Descant · 08-31-2021, 09:39 PM

My expectation is that, when schools reopen on a reliable schedule, people will re-enter the workforce and things will even out again. This will take 2-3 years. In the meantime,. the birthrate continues to be low. Even if it changes, it will tale 20 years for new babies to enter the workforce.
As much as we may be apprehensive about "illegal" aliens, we may need them in these entry level positions. Currently , Afghans who speak English should be highly employable. 'Nuff said.

John Mercier · 08-31-2021, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

My expectation is that, when schools reopen on a reliable schedule, people will re-enter the workforce and things will even out again. This will take 2-3 years. In the meantime,. the birthrate continues to be low. Even if it changes, it will tale 20 years for new babies to enter the workforce.
As much as we may be apprehensive about "illegal" aliens, we may need them in these entry level positions. Currently , Afghans who speak English should be highly employable. 'Nuff said.

It is the training and knowledge that takes a long time. The employees, other than retirees, are not leaving the workforce... just taking their skill set with them to an employer that provides the right ratio of pay/benefits, hours, and working environment for them to be happier.

When employers have the upper hand, many employees will do things they are not passionate about to make a living. We joke that this is the ''You will pay me just enough not to quit, and I will work just hard enough not to be fired'' model. That model is currently broken.

So my replacement is coming along quickly... but there may not be the passion that I had for the job. Hard to know for sure.

John Mercier · 08-31-2021, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene

until he bottom drops out and their soft company lays them off- it will happen... again

I would guess that many of them changed jobs for a more suitable schedule.

Biggd · 09-01-2021, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene

until he bottom drops out and their soft company lays them off- it will happen... again

Yes, what goes around, comes around. We all will have to deal with that in our own way when it happens.

08-31-2021, 03:45 PM	#2
phoenix Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: phoenix and moultonboro Posts: 1,554 Thanks: 61 Thanked 275 Times in 193 Posts	I am ok with the trade off assuming people understand that spending has to drop also. Also dont be envious of someone who choses to work longer and has ability to havr a bigger house, kids in private school etc. life is a series of tradeoffs __________________ it's tough to make predictions specially about the future

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08-31-2021, 04:08 PM	#3
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,420 Thanks: 3 Thanked 600 Times in 496 Posts	That has been going on for awhile. Some management is now finding that work environment is playing much more of a key role in acquiring and retaining skilled employees. I think the tech industry new about it for years... but it seems to be everywhere now. For the next several years, we will have more Americans turning 65 than turning 18, so it is going to get tough. The dichotomy that your speaking about hits only some of us. A couple years ago they were noticing a hygge movement, but cottagecore hadn't really hit its stride.

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08-31-2021, 05:26 PM	#5
John Mercier Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2021 Posts: 3,420 Thanks: 3 Thanked 600 Times in 496 Posts	I wasn't suggesting that they were not working hard. Just that to keep skilled labor requires management to focus intently on the well-being of that labor - something that industry understood before the rest of us.

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