2021 Bike Week More Normal

[camp guy]

Ok, Woodsy, it may look that simple, but it is not that simple. Bike Week brings a lot of bikers to a relatively small area (Weirs Beach), and then a lot more people attend Bike Week as spectators (not bikers), and who's to say that at some point the COVID virus isn't passed from one to another. So, then, each of these groups return to their usual places of living, mingle with their usual friends, and if one of these people is infected there is a strong possibility that this infection could be passed to others who didn't attend Bike Week. In other words, not going to Bike Week is not guaranteed assurance that you are not going to be exposed to COVID. From having attended Bike Week in the past as a spectator, and from looking at pictures of Bike Week in the past, it doesn't appear to me that social distancing is part of anybody's plan when they attend Bike Week. I fully recognize the HUGE economic impact Bike Week has on the local (and wider) area, but I also recognize that an outbreak of COVID could have terrible consequences in the other direction.

[swnoel]

Originally Posted by camp guy

Ok, Woodsy, it may look that simple, but it is not that simple. Bike Week brings a lot of bikers to a relatively small area (Weirs Beach), and then a lot more people attend Bike Week as spectators (not bikers), and who's to say that at some point the COVID virus isn't passed from one to another. So, then, each of these groups return to their usual places of living, mingle with their usual friends, and if one of these people is infected there is a strong possibility that this infection could be passed to others who didn't attend Bike Week. In other words, not going to Bike Week is not guaranteed assurance that you are not going to be exposed to COVID. From having attended Bike Week in the past as a spectator, and from looking at pictures of Bike Week in the past, it doesn't appear to me that social distancing is part of anybody's plan when they attend Bike Week. I fully recognize the HUGE economic impact Bike Week has on the local (and wider) area, but I also recognize that an outbreak of COVID could have terrible consequences in the other direction.

I read an article that liberals had a higher rate of mental issues than those that weren't liberals. Knowing that liberals are primarily controlling the news media and academia do you believe this might be an issue getting the facts out?

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by camp guy

Ok, Woodsy, it may look that simple, but it is not that simple. Bike Week brings a lot of bikers to a relatively small area (Weirs Beach), and then a lot more people attend Bike Week as spectators (not bikers), and who's to say that at some point the COVID virus isn't passed from one to another. So, then, each of these groups return to their usual places of living, mingle with their usual friends, and if one of these people is infected there is a strong possibility that this infection could be passed to others who didn't attend Bike Week. In other words, not going to Bike Week is not guaranteed assurance that you are not going to be exposed to COVID. From having attended Bike Week in the past as a spectator, and from looking at pictures of Bike Week in the past, it doesn't appear to me that social distancing is part of anybody's plan when they attend Bike Week. I fully recognize the HUGE economic impact Bike Week has on the local (and wider) area, but I also recognize that an outbreak of COVID could have terrible consequences in the other direction.

CampGuy....

If you are so scared... don't go! The vaccines do nothing to prevent someone from catching Covid, they just minimize the symptoms. Covid is NEVER going away. Time to get on with life!

Woodsy

[icg56]

With a COVID vaccine (ie Pfizer) 95% do not get COVID at all. In the clinical trials, 5% did get COVID but it was not serious COVID. The vaccine is highly protective against infection and against the vaccinated person from passing the virus on.

[Woodsy]

icg56.....

You might want to recheck your references....

With all of the vaccines you CAN still catch Covid

With the Pfizer or Moderna 2 shot vaccine there is a 95% chance you will have ZERO symptoms and not even know you are sick. There is a 5% chance of mild to moderate sickness. There is an almost 0% percent chance of death or hospitalization. (But it can happen)

The numbers are very different with the J&J.. 65% chance of no symptoms, 35% of mild to moderate symptoms. Very similar in deaths & hospitalizations.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ugh-cases.html

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-people-are-no

Obviously as more mutant strains appear the numbers may be much lower... hence the idea of booster shots floating around.

Woodsy

[TiltonBB]

Lakeside Avenue will have the regular Bike Week traffic pattern. Other matters are still in play

The council will take up the vendor and beer tent issue at its next meeting on May 10. They are waiting to see what the state does with the expiration of the current restrictions on May 7th.

From the Laconia Sun:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...5698bb61b.html

Similar story on WMUR:

https://www.wmur.com/article/laconia...-week/36264173

[Newbiesaukee]

We ALL want to get on with our lives. It is true, as Woodsy says, that you can still “catch” the virus while vaccinated and not know it, but it is NOT yet known if you can pass it on to someone else in those circumstances. The supposition is that it is much less likely. And in a largely vaccinated population, the virus can disappear.

At present, it is clear that the large influx from Bike Week, the crowded conditions, etc. is more likely than not to increase infection to the rest of the population than not having Bike Week. And judging from similar recent events, there is little masking in Bike Week visitors. And my guess is that the group will be less likely to have been vaccinated than the general NH population which tends more elderly.

So yes, we ALL want to get on with our lives, but there is little question that as far as Covid, Bike Week is more likely to make things worse for both the Bikers and the rest of the population.

It is not so simple a situation. Perhaps BW with some modification would work. But just telling those “afraid” of Covid to “stay home” is not the answer.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Sure, let’s just continue to keep people isolated. No problems with that, right? Especially for the politicians that have not lost one cent of income while imposing draconian restrictions on the rest of society. On the contrary, there have been significant ramifications caused by these restrictions. The result of short-sighted decisions:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ntent=headline

[ApS]

A huge annual event, celebrated in the middle of a Nevada desert, has been canceled for 2021.

https://www.ksbw.com/article/burning...esert/36279729

New Age Hippies will be enraged!

[TiltonBB]

The City Council decided Monday night that Bike Week could be almost normal.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ced8ea2b4.html

[VitaBene]

I am currently in Myrtle Beach for Bike Week here. If the crowds here are any indicator of what Laconia will look like, it will be very busy!

I have been going to Myrtle for 10 years, last night was the busiest that I have ever seen it.

[Lakegeezer]

There are several suggestions among the replies that a C19 vaccine does not make you immune. That you can still catch it, but the symptoms will be invisible or mild. From the medical research that I've reviewed this is not true. The truth matters, because some use false reasoning to refuse the vaccine. A lower vaccination rate will reduce the rate of recovery for the lakes region's economy. Our stores and restaurants need to be busy again. Bike week is a good time for the immunized to celebrate their freedom from the pandemic, with confidence that they won't be part of a super spreader event, like Sturgis was last year.

My understanding is that over 90% of vaccinated people will fight off exposure to the Corona virus and the virus will not establish itself. Without establishment, no spreading to others and of course, no symptoms. Not catching it is different than being asymptomatic. You are not sick. You are immune. You will not test positive.

There is an up to 10% chance that vaccinated people will still catch the virus, but for most, it will be asymptomatic (positive test only) or mild. There are those that will get serious cases or enter the hospital or die, but the numbers are statistically tiny.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

icg56.....

You might want to recheck your references....

With all of the vaccines you CAN still catch Covid

With the Pfizer or Moderna 2 shot vaccine there is a 95% chance you will have ZERO symptoms and not even know you are sick. There is a 5% chance of mild to moderate sickness. There is an almost 0% percent chance of death or hospitalization. (But it can happen)

The numbers are very different with the J&J.. 65% chance of no symptoms, 35% of mild to moderate symptoms. Very similar in deaths & hospitalizations.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ugh-cases.html

https://thehill.com/changing-america...-people-are-no

Obviously as more mutant strains appear the numbers may be much lower... hence the idea of booster shots floating around.

Woodsy

You might want to recheck your references....

You are both comparing apples and oranges.

The J&J was developed LATER and tested over a wider range of regions and with newer variants.
It was so effective they felt it didn't need a "boost". Where the other vaccines didn't do as well over less variants and smaller trials but better numbers with TWO shots.

Bottom line is, they are all very good and only time will tell how they hold up if (or I should say when) the new variants hit. But it's really hard to compare them unless they were all tested under the same conditions at the same time.

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2021/03/42...ou-should-know