Moultonborough continues to polarize

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

I might be wrong here, but I believe that the noise complaint has to do with the new shooting range, right across from the Bald Peak entrance and put in by a Bald Peak resident for himself and his friends. I am unaware of the older gun club that adjoins States Landing being an issue with anyone.

Which is perfectly legal to do as well. In the state of NH you can legally discharge firearms so long as you are not within 300 feet of a permanently occupied dwelling. This can be done in an residential area. Unlike our neighboring states you don't need permission, permits or other nonsense.

My neighbors setup a shooting range on their property and use it all the time. It's their right to do so. I've actually seen what they have set up and it's well done and safe. I may have yet to ask them if I can use it here and there.

I'd rather listen to gun fire than the crap blaring from these ski\wakeboard boats.

As to Braun Bay, APS seriously if you are dropping millions on a piece of property and don't do your own research to know what happens there and has for years and years, then that's your own fault.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

I hope they are able to keep the club going, it's becoming more common place these days people move in next to a club then start to raise hell to shut them down. Club I used to belong to had to fight a similar battle and prevailed.

If you don't want to listen to shots going off then don't buy a piece of property next to a club. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Which is perfectly legal to do as well. In the state of NH you can legally discharge firearms so long as you are not within 300 feet of a permanently occupied dwelling. This can be done in an residential area. Unlike our neighboring states you don't need permission, permits or other nonsense.

My neighbors setup a shooting range on their property and use it all the time. It's their right to do so. I've actually seen what they have set up and it's well done and safe. I may have yet to ask them if I can use it here and there.

Your posts are funny--

If you are a gun club, you are right if you arrive before the residents (this one I actually agree with).

But if you're the residents, the gun club is right even if you get there first.

It would be easier for us to follow if you just said from the start that you think gun clubs should have priority over homeowners under any circumstances

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It would be easier for the rest of us to follow if you just said you don't give a damn about anybody else

I think thats a little harsh and uncalled for.

Too often it seems that there cant be a discussion/debate on any matter of interest without it getting aggressive and insulting.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I think thats a little harsh and uncalled for.

Too often it seems that there cant be a discussion/debate on any matter of interest without it getting aggressive and insulting.

You're right. I've edited. Thanks

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

You're right. I've edited. Thanks

Its an easy trap to fall into and a fine line between expressing you opinions without attacking the other guy. I am as guilty as the next guy for getting pissed off over something and always struggling to figure out how to express my feelings without trashing the other person, and some days its really hard if you strongly believe in something and are frustrated.

ATB

[swnoel]

And people wonder why locals dislike out of state people moving to their communities...

[XCR-700]

Is anyone really surprised by the debate?

And the debate is not just the transplants having different opinions and preferences, its also society evolution as well.

What was reasonable and accepted 40 years ago is changing everywhere.

How many people have moved to that area from Mass and brought their Massachusetts values and standards with them, as opposed to how many left Massachusetts to adopt NH standards and values that existed years ago in their memories, but may in fact no longer be the local standards and values???

Most in MA are rabidly anti gun, or believe in many restrictions including when and where you shoot them. So I would expect most to bring that with them to NH. But if you are looking to escape those restrictions, NH may no longer be the place to go.

And least we forget, its all to common for the not in my backyard perspective to make its presence even for those seeking a middle ground.

My closest friends and I are the type who would be looking to move to NH and buy 10 acres each and be able to shoot in our own backyards, and yet most of the people we know and work with would be horrified by that concept, and in truth I dont know if that goal is realistic any more,,,

How do you bridge that gap?

Sorry, I wish I knew,,,

Best of luck to you all, I see a protracted battle ahead on this matter.

[marinewife]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Is anyone really surprised by the debate?

And the debate is not just the transplants having different opinions and preferences, its also society evolution as well.

What was reasonable and accepted 40 years ago is changing everywhere.

How many people have moved to that area from Mass and brought their Massachusetts values and standards with them, as opposed to how many left Massachusetts to adopt NH standards and values that existed years ago in their memories, but may in fact no longer be the local standards and values???

Most in MA are rabidly anti gun, or believe in many restrictions including when and where you shoot them. So I would expect most to bring that with them to NH. But if you are looking to escape those restrictions, NH may no longer be the place to go.

And least we forget, its all to common for the not in my backyard perspective to make its presence even for those seeking a middle ground.

My closest friends and I are the type who would be looking to move to NH and buy 10 acres each and be able to shoot in our own backyards, and yet most of the people we know and work with would be horrified by that concept, and in truth I dont know if that goal is realistic any more,,,

How do you bridge that gap?

Sorry, I wish I knew,,,

Best of luck to you all, I see a protracted battle ahead on this matter.

~~~~~~~
We moved to NH and the short list of must haves to our realtor were:
A ranch house or colonial with a bedroom on the 1st floor, within 5 miles from town and a supermarket (Wolfeboro), 3BRs, and 10 acres for my husband to shoot target practice in the back yard. It took us 3 yrs of searching to find it.

We found one with 18 acres in Wolfeboro, but the next door neighbor had a big shooting range and was constantly shooting. That was his right, but I preferred not to be his neighbor.

I was on the internet 2 hours a night minimum, searching, sometimes typing: Is my home in a flood zone when FEMA maps pop up to show you once you add the address- I also didn't want wetlands, so you get the picture, it was a long process. Move in day, on a hot July afternoon, was magnified by 3 bears in our front yard. There's a turkey parade here constantly. Would I prefer no turkeys? Sure, but I can live with it.

Neighbors behind us drive their quad on their yard, whooping and hollering 4 out of 7 nights. Back in my old state, no one had a yard BIG enough to do that. However, if I was a neighbor of a shooting range, I would probably not be thrilled.

The pros of living in NH outweigh the bad, but in the case of the very wealthy Bald Peak man buying land and building a range with permits from the town,
I would hope that he curtails the usage to make things easier for those residents.


We're extremely grateful we moved here. We have met great people, made some great friends, shop and eat out as much as we can locally, donate to our community, and above all, appreciate how great this state is.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by marinewife

~~~~~~~
We moved to NH and the short list of must haves to our realtor were:
A ranch house or colonial with a bedroom on the 1st floor, within 5 miles from town and a supermarket (Wolfeboro), 3BRs, and 10 acres for my husband to shoot target practice in the back yard. It took us 3 yrs of searching to find it.

We found one with 18 acres in Wolfeboro, but the next door neighbor had a big shooting range and was constantly shooting. That was his right, but I preferred not to be his neighbor.

I was on the internet 2 hours a night minimum, searching, sometimes typing: Is my home in a flood zone when FEMA maps pop up to show you once you add the address- I also didn't want wetlands, so you get the picture, it was a long process. Move in day, on a hot July afternoon, was magnified by 3 bears in our front yard. There's a turkey parade here constantly. Would I prefer no turkeys? Sure, but I can live with it.

Neighbors behind us drive their quad on their yard, whooping and hollering 4 out of 7 nights. Back in my old state, no one had a yard BIG enough to do that. However, if I was a neighbor of a shooting range, I would probably not be thrilled.

The pros of living in NH outweigh the bad, but in the case of the very wealthy Bald Peak man buying land and building a range with permits from the town,
I would hope that he curtails the usage to make things easier for those residents.


We're extremely grateful we moved here. We have met great people, made some great friends, shop and eat out as much as we can locally, donate to our community, and above all, appreciate how great this state is.

GREAT story of working hard to strike a balance and making compromises.

In my 58 years I have only found a few absolute truths; we were all born, we will all die, and life is imperfect at best, oh and pretty much every day I will make one mistake and on an average day several.

Sounds like you folks are probably pretty good neighbors and additions to your community!

ATB

[C-Bass]

Where is this property by bald peak? I drive by there twice a day five days a week. Is it the 110acres by severance rd? That’s would be one hell of a buy for just a shooting range.

[marinewife]

Originally Posted by C-Bass

Where is this property by bald peak? I drive by there twice a day five days a week. Is it the 110acres by severance rd? That’s would be one hell of a buy for just a shooting range.

1277 GWH- bought in 2018, 40 acres for $120,000

You can see the plot and photos on the website: www.axisgis.com then type in Moultonborough- the property is sandwiched in between 40 acres
owned by Bald Peak Company to the north and over 110 acres of land owned by someone else on the left side to the south.

[C-Bass]

Originally Posted by marinewife

1277 GWH- bought in 2018, 40 acres for $120,000

You can see the plot and photos on the website: www.axisgis.com then type in Moultonborough- the property is sandwiched in between 40 acres
owned by Bald Peak Company to the north and over 110 acres of land owned by someone else on the left side to the south.

Okay got it, can't see it from the main road. I see Bald peak has bought several properties in the area including that 110ac. I wonder to what end and why? Beside a shooting range, more house lots? Interesting.

[marinewife]

Probably that giant plot will be getting ready for new homes- people could live across the street, join the club, ride their golf carts across the street, and maybe the blinker will become a stop light.

With all of the people moving up here, who knows...

[gwhite13]

imagine being the sawmill that gets to process trees from that area in 30yrs. from now. Few dozen planer blades will be destroyed. With no backstop, what could go wrong.

many year ago working on a home development, a police target range, nearby, had a stray bullet severely injure carpenter onsite.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Many of us are relieved to see Mr. Johnson’s departure from his role as Town Administrator. The Board of Selectmen voted 4-1 not to renew his contract. He was divisive, political, and many of us felt his handling of the recent Town Meeting was a disaster. Also, one of his hand-picked regulatory officials was largely responsible for the approval of the contentious new gun range across from Bald Peak; this second-hand information is from a reliable source. We are hoping that a new T.A. will be able to tackle the job without causing further divisiveness and can manage the various departments under his jurisdiction.

[ApS]

My neighbor on 101 acres shoots occasionally. The powerful rifle blasts out shots from 400 feet from my front door, and a "bump-stock" was in use last week.

My neighbor told me yesterday there's a full-sized plastic deer target out front. From the echoes returning from the treetops, we're thinking he uses his forested acreage as a backstop!

[stynx55]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Is anyone really surprised by the debate?

And the debate is not just the transplants having different opinions and preferences, its also society evolution as well.

What was reasonable and accepted 40 years ago is changing everywhere.

How many people have moved to that area from Mass and brought their Massachusetts values and standards with them, as opposed to how many left Massachusetts to adopt NH standards and values that existed years ago in their memories, but may in fact no longer be the local standards and values???

Most in MA are rabidly anti gun, or believe in many restrictions including when and where you shoot them. So I would expect most to bring that with them to NH. But if you are looking to escape those restrictions, NH may no longer be the place to go.

And least we forget, its all to common for the not in my backyard perspective to make its presence even for those seeking a middle ground.

My closest friends and I are the type who would be looking to move to NH and buy 10 acres each and be able to shoot in our own backyards, and yet most of the people we know and work with would be horrified by that concept, and in truth I dont know if that goal is realistic any more,,,

How do you bridge that gap?

Sorry, I wish I knew,,,

Best of luck to you all, I see a protracted battle ahead on this matter.

My wife and and I bought our place in Moultonborough to escape from Ma and its awful politics, the last thing we wanted is to make Moultonborough like Ma. I love being able to shoot and buy whatever legal gun we want. I love being able to hike, and snowmobile right from our property. Sadly I think within 5 years Moultonborough will be so over developed that this will all end.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by stynx55

My wife and and I bought our place in Moultonborough to escape from Ma and its awful politics, the last thing we wanted is to make Moultonborough like Ma. I love being able to shoot and buy whatever legal gun we want. I love being able to hike, and snowmobile right from our property. Sadly I think within 5 years Moultonborough will be so over developed that this will all end.

You didn"t move far enough North.


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[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Your posts are funny--

If you are a gun club, you are right if you arrive before the residents (this one I actually agree with).

But if you're the residents, the gun club is right even if you get there first.

It would be easier for us to follow if you just said from the start that you think gun clubs should have priority over homeowners under any circumstances

No offense but you apparently can't read.

First post I wrote specifically addressed people that move in next to a gun club and try to shut it down. That's just plain wrong.

My second post said something completely different in that the person(s) that are shooting on their own property have the right to do so and it is perfectly legal. I stopped short on commenting on whether or not they can or should be stopped.

I personally have no problem with anyone shooting so long as it's done in a safe responsible manner.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

No offense but you apparently can't read.

First post I wrote specifically addressed people that move in next to a gun club and try to shut it down. That's just plain wrong.

My second post said something completely different in that the person(s) that are shooting on their own property have the right to do so and it is perfectly legal. I stopped short on commenting on whether or not they can or should be stopped.

I personally have no problem with anyone shooting so long as it's done in a safe responsible manner.

None taken--I have my son reading your stuff to me, then he types my reply.

But it's not really sporting of you to "stop short". It seems obvious from your post that you favor the gun clubs opening next door to established neighborhoods. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[longislander]

Moultonborough ...........

From Walter ... to gun clubs ?????????????????????????

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

None taken--I have my son reading your stuff to me, then he types my reply.

But it's not really sporting of you to "stop short". It seems obvious from your post that you favor the gun clubs opening next door to established neighborhoods. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Well here's the deal as I am on the fence with this one. I have no problem at all with anyone who chooses to shoot on their own property for their own enjoyment so long as it is done safe. As I have already said my neighbor does it all the time, he bought his house so he could do this and I have no problem with it. This is a zoned low density residential area.

Now far as a "gun club" goes, is this really a gun club or a owner inviting friends over and they happen to throw a lot of lead around? Let's be accurate with identifying exactly what is going on here. Thus far reality doesn't seem terribly clear and not being familiar with the story I won't make assumptions. To an ignorant observer volume of shots fired may be disturbing but doesn't necessarily mean there are large volumes of individuals engaged at the same time.

All that said - whether the abutters like it or not the landowner has rights too. I personally would not endorse trying to shoehorn in a firing range that is open to paid membership use close to a residential area just because it's not conducive for them to cohabitate in close proximity to one another due to the noise generated. Site work can be done to reduce the overall noise but nothing will completely eliminate it.

[marinewife]

The Union Leader wrote an article about the shooting platforms and issues last October 2019.

One can Google: Charles Purse or Chuck Purse Moultonborough and find it.

It looks like the intention was for friends to use it.

[mswlogo]

Originally Posted by marinewife

The Union Leader wrote an article about the shooting platforms and issues last October 2019.

One can Google: Charles Purse or Chuck Purse Moultonborough and find it.

It looks like the intention was for friends to use it.

It all boils down to "reasonable use". Some people might have 3 friends, another might have 300. If it was several non stop hours every weekend I'd be pissed. Those that also own and use gun ranges might have more tolerance than ones that don't. But I'm sure everyone has their limits.

It's just about common respect for one another. Most people go to the lakes region for peace and quiet. Not to listen to boys play with their toys.

I was once going for my pilots license and learning at a suburb airport. I absolutely loved it. Until I learned that the old small planes still used leaded fuel (all be it low lead, it was leaded). I could not get past the fact that I was poisoning the homes below for my enjoyment. So I quit. Do what you want, but you should respect your fellow neighbor. Something that is severely lacking in society today. And it ain't the millennial's nor those folks from Mass that are lacking it any more than the natives.

I don't know the terrain or the size of the guns being used. But gun fire can travel really far around mountains and lakes.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by mswlogo

Most people go to the lakes region for peace and quiet. Not to listen to boys play with their toys.

Interesting comment, and it may or may not be true, or maybe more region specific.

I literally just said to my wife how I love to come to Winnipesaukee to listen to power boats. As a child there was nothing better than hearing the drown of a boat at night making its way up or down Alton Bay. The way the sound just hangs in the bay is so unique and soothing and just speaks to my brain. And for 58 years it remains just a soothing and enjoyable. And to a lessor extent when in Northern NH or Maine, the sound of snowmobiles on a long trail creates a unique sound that I could almost record and play at home.

Clearly people have very different preferences and its unfortunate that these differences are so extreme and polarizing.

For 100+ years people have come to Winnipesaukee and the the lakes region for their various reasons and there have been all kinds of changes and dust-ups of the changes, but never have I seen so many problems as the last 20 years with the migration of so many from Massachusetts to NH and looking to change what it was to something else.

And please dont interpret my comments to be mean anything specific other than what I said.

I am not looking for my nostalgic memories and current preferences of open and above the water line exhaust classic boats to become 120 MPH races by novices in cigarette boats across the Broads, not do I believe the right to shoot on your own acreage (in a safe manner) should universally be allowed to evolve in to a massive shooting range for uber high power or automatic weapons.

Good Luck to all in sorting this mess out,,, Its not going to be easy to find the balance here and with the people involved.