New Dive Location?

[TiltonBB]

There are legal issues regarding handicap access and serving/selling alcohol from a city owned dock.

After considerable parliamentary maneuvering which included the defeat of one motion and a subsequent successful reconsideration vote, the council voted to schedule two public hearings during the June 8 council meeting.

This could be interesting. The recent format for meetings has been by video with only one party at a time allowed in the conference room.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ticle-nav-next

[FlyingScot]

Leaving aesthetics and politics aside--very difficult to do on this topic--once again I am amazed that the Dive guys have not done their homework. Last year's threads were a myriad of little issues (wind, neighbors, motors...) that could have been anticipated. This year they ask the Council for something that's illegal? Liquor licenses and handicapped access are not esoteric topics

[jbolty]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Leaving aesthetics and politics aside--very difficult to do on this topic--once again I am amazed that the Dive guys have not done their homework. Last year's threads were a myriad of little issues (wind, neighbors, motors...) that could have been anticipated. This year they ask the Council for something that's illegal? Liquor licenses and handicapped access are not esoteric topics

Does seem surprising. The underpowered engines should have at least been a known issue, from what I know the guy does marine construction or barges or something.

I would guess they figured it was better to wing it and hope for the best. If they had approached every possible government agency up front with all concerns they would still be waiting to build the thing.

[Woodsy]

The Winni Flagship Corp owns the RR station.... They do not however own the handicap ramps or the docks... they belong to the City! At least according to the tax maps anyway!

I think it would be in the Flagships best interest to play nice..... If I were on the City Council, I would be thinking about redoing the MT lease to fair market value.... just like they want to do to the Dive!

Woodsy

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by Woodsy

The Winni Flagship Corp owns the RR station.... They do not however own the handicap ramps or the docks... they belong to the City! At least according to the tax maps anyway!

I think it would be in the Flagships best interest to play nice..... If I were on the City Council, I would be thinking about redoing the MT lease to fair market value.... just like they want to do to the Dive!

Woodsy

So you are advocating for the city to battle a 100 plus year old tradition in the lakes region to please new comers.


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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

So you are advocating for the city to battle a 100 plus year old tradition in the lakes region to please new comers.


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The age of the business or any tradition have nothing to do with it. Our society runs on laws and regulations. You either comply or you don't. If there is a dispute the courts will settle it.

If you reject new comers who attempt to follow the rules, growth will stagnate. You cannot take sides or play favorites, just make any new business comply with the existing regulations.

In the event that the laws in place need to be changed the appropriate party, in this case the Laconia City Council, can consider if it is in the public's best interest to change those regulations.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The age of the business or any tradition have nothing to do with it. Our society runs on laws and regulations. You either comply or you don't. If there is a dispute the courts will settle it.

If you reject new comers who attempt to follow the rules, growth will stagnate. You cannot take sides or play favorites, just make any new business comply with the existing regulations.

In the event that the laws in place need to be changed the appropriate party, in this case the Laconia City Council, can consider if it is in the public's best interest to change those regulations.

Using your logic every building and home must be brought up to current code before it can be occupied. If you disagree you are welcomed to hire a lawyer to fight it


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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Using your logic every building and home must be brought up to current code before it can be occupied. If you disagree you are welcomed to hire a lawyer to fight it


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I am not sure how you came to that conclusion. The existing buildings follow the regulations in place for them that do not require them to upgrade to today's laws and standards. They are complying with the laws that regulate them, which was my point.

New businesses should also comply with the regulations, and yes, today's regulations are different than those of years past.

No decisions are, or can be, made based upon tradition. That is open to such vague interpretation that it would generate thousands of court cases.

Example: When my house was built in the 1940's they drove a backhoe into the lake to bury the water line 50 feet out from the shoreline. That was the custom or tradition then, but certainly not now. I wouldn't want to try that today!

I am glad to see the Mount Washington go by and I don't have any problem with the Dive. I am not advocating for either. But, everyone must follow the rules and regulations in place today.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

The age of the business or any tradition have nothing to do with it. Our society runs on laws and regulations. You either comply or you don't. If there is a dispute the courts will settle it.

If you reject new comers who attempt to follow the rules, growth will stagnate. You cannot take sides or play favorites, just make any new business comply with the existing regulations.

In the event that the laws in place need to be changed the appropriate party, in this case the Laconia City Council, can consider if it is in the public's best interest to change those regulations.

That's cool. But as noted in the LDS article, the Dive does not want to "comply with the existing regulations". So it's a fair debate as to whether it's in the public's interest to change them.

I think it's generally accepted that the Mount is already in the public's interest. This is the advantage of tradition

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

So you are advocating for the city to battle a 100 plus year old tradition in the lakes region to please new comers.


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No... I am advocating that the old tradition play nice with the newcomers! It is in the best interests of everyone. The Dive could actually compliment the Mounts business giving folks a place to hang out before they cruise on the Doris or Sophie.

The City wants the Dive to pay fair market value for the dock lease. I am a Weirs taxpayer and I am OK with that. The Winni Flagship Corp. should be worried that the City is going to do the same to their lease! IMHO, they too should be paying fair market value!

As for the drinking on the dock laws.... maybe the city should make sure the Mount doesn't serve a drink until they are underway, or during Bike Week when they don't go out and open as a floating bar! I say change the laws and let the businesses thrive or fail on their own merits!

Woodsy

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are legal issues regarding handicap access and serving/selling alcohol from a city owned dock.

After considerable parliamentary maneuvering which included the defeat of one motion and a subsequent successful reconsideration vote, the council voted to schedule two public hearings during the June 8 council meeting.

This could be interesting. The recent format for meetings has been by video with only one party at a time allowed in the conference room.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...ticle-nav-next

I wonder how the Mt. Washington got away with selling & serving alcohol from the city owned docks during those years where they stayed tied to dock for bike week? Seems to be some precedence there.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I wonder how the Mt. Washington got away with selling & serving alcohol from the city owned docks during those years where they stayed tied to dock for bike week? Seems to be some precedence there.

As noted above, the Flagship Corp claims ownership of the ramp and the dock. Apparently, the city agrees with that and does not (cannot?) bother them for whatever they sell onboard.