The Dive!

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Momo

Nobody “owns” the lake.... including the Dive.

Wrong. The state of New Hampshire owns the lake.
It is public property. As a resident of NH I am effectively one of many "owners" of the lake.
Personally I don't think the dive is an appropriate use of the lake.
From reading the LDS article it appears the owner is an arrogant prick with NO clue in public relations. I suspect he will be forced to move that piece of crap somewhere else. Hopefully somewhere like Kentucky

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Wrong. The state of New Hampshire owns the lake.
It is public property. As a resident of NH I am effectively one of many "owners" of the lake.
Personally I don't think the dive is an appropriate use of the lake.
From reading the LDS article it appears the owner is an arrogant prick with NO clue in public relations. I suspect he will be forced to move that piece of crap somewhere else. Hopefully somewhere like Kentucky

No effectively you own nothing!!! Just because the state owns it doesn’t mean you do at all. Totally your opinion but they obtained 1000s of signatures in their support. You may not like it but tough luck again as long as it is legally docked not thing one you can do. You seem more arrogant than the owners.


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[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No effectively you own nothing!!! Just because the state owns it doesn’t mean you do at all. Totally your opinion but they obtained 1000s of signatures in their support. You may not like it but tough luck again as long as it is legally docked not thing one you can do. You seem more arrogant than the owners.


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thank you.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No effectively you own nothing!!! Just because the state owns it doesn’t mean you do at all. Totally your opinion but they obtained 1000s of signatures in their support. You may not like it but tough luck again as long as it is legally docked not thing one you can do. You seem more arrogant than the owners.


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The signatures don't mean a thing, since none of them come from people affected by The Dive. That's like asking people in MA if NH should have an income tax.

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

The signatures don't mean a thing, since none of them come from people affected by The Dive. That's like asking people in MA if NH should have an income tax.

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No my point is that there are some in favor and some opposed to the Dive. No individual or group of individuals own the lake and as long as it is docked legally there is not much the “affected “ people can do.

As I stated however the use of spuds could be an issue and to whether it is decided if it is or is not legally docked.


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[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by joey2665

No effectively you own nothing!!! Just because the state owns it doesn’t mean you do at all. Totally your opinion but they obtained 1000s of signatures in their support. You may not like it but tough luck again as long as it is legally docked not thing one you can do. You seem more arrogant than the owners.

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1. !!!, hmm, the more exclamation points you use don't actually affect the strength of your argument.
2. 12 million signatures wouldn't change my opinion of the dive.
3. There might be "not one thing you (I) can do" but how does that matter. Whats your point?
4. Do you know the definition of arrogant? Please explain how you feel I am arrogant.
5. Why are you SO ANGRY about this?

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

1. !!!, hmm, the more exclamation points you use don't actually affect the strength of your argument.
2. 12 million signatures wouldn't change my opinion of the dive.
3. There might be "not one thing you (I) can do" but how does that matter. Whats your point?
4. Do you know the definition of arrogant? Please explain how you feel I am arrogant.
5. Why are you SO ANGRY about this?

I am not angry about this at all just voicing my position as you are and I am not trying to change your mind we are all entitled to our own opinion.

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

4. Do you know the definition of arrogant? Please explain how you feel I am arrogant.

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

From reading the LDS article it appears the owner is an arrogant prick with NO clue in public relations.

Does your analogy also include the folks that have supported the dive that have no access to the lake?

[Taz]

I think Kawishiwi is spot on with his arrogance comment. Dive owner felt he could pull up to Alton town docks and take on passengers without any permit, permission or discussion with the town. Early on last summer when The Dive started up some posters voiced their concern on The Dive FB page. Merriam responded that his family/he contributed greatly for building the lake into the attraction it is today, essentially saying I can do what I want because of my family contribution. Interesting that post was deleted shortly after posting it. Not sure who the Merriams are. We all know who the Irwins are. Love them or hate them the Irwins are more responsible than any other family for the attraction the lake is today. It seems as if Merriam thought he could build a barge and did not plan out how or where he could conduct his business. Just ask for forgiveness later if some one complains.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Taz

We all know who the Irwins are. Love them or hate them the Irwins are more responsible than any other family for the attraction the lake is today.

Interesting post. While I'm not expressing an opinion about the Irwins, what have they done, other than run a for profit business selling boats, to make the lake "the attraction the lake is today"?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Interesting post. While I'm not expressing an opinion about the Irwins, what have they done, other than run a for profit business selling boats, to make the lake "the attraction the lake is today"?

Running a successful business for 100 years and providing 100';s of jobs is an acceptable answer, and stands on its own, but there's more.
The Irwins don't just sell bots. Jim Irwin Sr, as a musician, came to Laconia and built several businesses and promoted them outside the area to bring tourists that benefitted the region. He built and ran Irwin's Winnipesaukee Gardens, the boardwalk, The Miss Winnipesaukee Speedboats…the list goes on. One popular spot on the Boardwalk used to be a BINGO hall; proceeds all went to charity. Of course, Jim Sr. was a leader of the group that brought the Chateguay to Lake Winnipesaukee when the old Mount burned in 1939. Later, Jim Jr. and Jack organized many events at the Weirs that brought people and business to the region. One that sticks in my mind was safe boating week run in conjunction with the Boston Herald Traveler for many years. As President of the Marine Trades Association he invited the ENTIRE NH Legislature to spend a day on the lake with their families, and recruited boat owners to host them and take them to various places around the lake, wherever they wanted to go. A huge undertaking in my mind.
Yes, partially business related, but helping all businesses in the area with promotions builds the region, not just Irwin Marine. BTW, I think thew Irwins were involved along with the Lavallees, in getting the beach at the Weirs built, and renaming the area from the Weirs to "Weirs Beach".

[TiltonBB]

Descant, I agree with most everything you have posted about the ancient history of the family. Most of what you posted occurred a minimum of 40 years ago and much of it was 50 - 60 years ago. No doubt, back in their day, they contributed to the growth of the area and substantially grew their business and profits.

What has the current generation done other than sell boats? None of the many things you posted makes the lake the "attraction it is today" That is my point.

Yes, many years ago there was a dance hall with bands in the Pier but the current structure is an eyesore, structurally declining, and one of the reasons keeping the Weirs area from substantial improvements.

Who would invest in a new structure or substantial capital improvements in Weirs Beach with the Pier in the middle of their investment?

Look forward, not backwards.

[birchhaven]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Descant, I agree with most everything you have posted about the ancient history of the family. Most of what you posted occurred a minimum of 40 years ago and much of it was 50 - 60 years ago. No doubt, back in their day, they contributed to the growth of the area and substantially grew their business and profits.

What has the current generation done other than sell boats? None of the many things you posted makes the lake the "attraction it is today" That is my point.

Yes, many years ago there was a dance hall with bands in the Pier but the current structure is an eyesore, structurally declining, and one of the reasons keeping the Weirs area from substantial improvements.

Who would invest in a new structure or substantial capital improvements in Weirs Beach with the Pier in the middle of their investment?

Look forward, not backwards.

The irwins still help the area greatly. Employ many etc. This is a fact. What have you done? Easy go pass judgment from a keyboard.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by birchhaven

The irwins still help the area greatly. Employ many etc. This is a fact. What have you done? Easy go pass judgment from a keyboard.

If you are going to state something as a fact, make sure your facts are correct. In this case you are not. The Irwin's are not running the operation anymore, and have not been in charge for many years.

What have I done? I have invested millions in multiple commercial and residential properties in the Weirs Beach area and spent a substantial amount of money to improve them. It is for that reason that I hope to see the area improve.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Descant, I agree with most everything you have posted about the ancient history of the family. Most of what you posted occurred a minimum of 40 years ago and much of it was 50 - 60 years ago. No doubt, back in their day, they contributed to the growth of the area and substantially grew their business and profits.

What has the current generation done other than sell boats? None of the many things you posted makes the lake the "attraction it is today" That is my point.

Yes, many years ago there was a dance hall with bands in the Pier but the current structure is an eyesore, structurally declining, and one of the reasons keeping the Weirs area from substantial improvements.

Who would invest in a new structure or substantial capital improvements in Weirs Beach with the Pier in the middle of their investment?

Look forward, not backwards.

The only thing I would say about the pier structure currently is that East Coast Flight Craft has invest significantly in the pier and plans are to close Anthony’s after the season and the building will go through a major renovation project.


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Taz

I think Kawishiwi is spot on with his arrogance comment. Dive owner felt he could pull up to Alton town docks and take on passengers without any permit, permission or discussion with the town.

Is that "arrogance" or "ignorance?"

If the owners KNEW they couldn't do it legally yet tried, then yeah, it's arrogance.

If they didn't know (and didn't check beforehand) than I submit it is ignorance.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Does your analogy also include the folks that have supported the dive that have no access to the lake?

What "analogy" are you referencing?

[Top-Water]

Originally Posted by kawishiwi

What "analogy" are you referencing?

No need to repeat your vulgar comments. You made it clear you don't like the dive. I'm guessing you feel the same about the Mount Washington. (No further comments on this subject.)

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

No need to repeat your vulgar comments. You made it clear you don't like the dive. I'm guessing you feel the same about the Mount Washington. (No further comments on this subject.)

What I feel about the Mount has no bearing on my opinion of the dive. Nice try trying to muddy the water and make some obscure charge about something you have no knowledge of to...to...to somehow suggest I must be a miscreant cause I must hate the mount, motherhood & apple pie? I used the word 'crap' and you were offended? Really? I am so sorry I offended your sensitive sensibilities with the word 'crap'. Oh crap, I did it again!
You are correct sir, I don't like the dive. Just exactly why are you so bothered by that?

[robmac]

I know this post may not be popular with some. The Dive like it or not is a licensed NH business. Nothing at all will be done this year and perhaps license requirement changes may affect how they operate in the future. They were approved by all authorities to operate where they are and thats it.

[dippasan]

Saw this and thought it was pretty funny.

[JEEPONLY]

HA-HA-HA!!!

I know my very first post on this forum wasn't at all popular because I listed the "entertainment value" as just one of my reasons for liking it- no one said welcome to the forum, and that's OK.

At the risk of sounding redundant- this thread just makes me feel better!

HA-HA-HA!!! (Sorry, don't know how to add imoges)

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

HA-HA-HA!!!

I know my very first post on this forum wasn't at all popular because I listed the "entertainment value" as just one of my reasons for liking it- no one said welcome to the forum, and that's OK.

At the risk of sounding redundant- this thread just makes me feel better!

HA-HA-HA!!! (Sorry, don't know how to add imoges)

Ummm....
Welcome to 5 years ago.... ^5

Welcome to the forums

[FlyingScot]

Not sure how we missed this before (or maybe I'm the only one who missed it, haha)--great piece in the LDS:

On whether the owners and neighbors are each being reasonable: The owners of a bar have Jimmy Buffet on at low volume until 9 or 10pm--sounds very reasonable to me. The neighbors don't like music drifting every night from a bar that is only 100' from their homes--sounds very reasonable to me.

On whether this is legal (and therefore should be allowed regardless of complaints): The Planning Board must approve for them to continue beyond Sep 3, and the Board may consider neighbors' concerns. So they're legal today, but maybe not tomorrow.

If only our tirades were so well balanced

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...b2d7a083b.html

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Not sure how we missed this before (or maybe I'm the only one who missed it, haha)--great piece in the LDS:
https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...b2d7a083b.html

It was posted and discussed with a link to the July 26th LDS article in post 308.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

Ummm....
Welcome to 5 years ago.... ^5

Welcome to the forums

Thank you! Even this is entertaining- in a nice way!

[baygo]

I finally decided to go check out the dive today. Unfortunately I was not able to. It appears that they overlooked the impact water would have on the deck. They constructed it using particleboard and consequently are close down this week to replace it.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by baygo

I finally decided to go check out the dive today. Unfortunately I was not able to. It appears that they overlooked the impact water would have on the deck. They constructed it using particleboard and consequently are close down this week to replace it.

Wow! Doesn't sound like an experienced "engineer" to me...man, a deck should be a marine grade plywood...no brainer.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by baygo

I finally decided to go check out the dive today. Unfortunately I was not able to. It appears that they overlooked the impact water would have on the deck. They constructed it using particleboard and consequently are close down this week to replace it.

According to their Facebook page they are closed today and tomorrow, reopening Friday

[Momo]

Poor construction (closed due to water in non-marine grade materials)... poor captain (Smith Point crash) poor business plan. Sounds like a match made in heaven�� maybe the owner should have stayed with his trampoline

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Momo

Poor construction (closed due to water in non-marine grade materials)... poor captain (Smith Point crash) poor business plan. Sounds like a match made in heaven😀

First of all the "crash" was not a crash the Dive saw seeking safe harbor during a storm, yes they did not anticipate water on the deck but you cannot call it a bad business plan when the Dive is packed every time it ventures to a sandbar and their evening events and charters are always sold out.

Yes some kinks to work out, remember it has not even been open for a full season yet and based on attendance I think they are moving in the right direction

[baygo]

Originally Posted by joey2665

First of all the "crash" was not a crash the Dive saw seeking safe harbor during a storm, yes they did not anticipate water on the deck but you cannot call it a bad business plan when the Dive is packed every time it ventures to a sandbar and their evening events and charters are always sold out.

Yes some kinks to work out, remember it has not even been open for a full season yet and based on attendance I think they are moving in the right direction

From my understanding; it takes three years to determine a restaurant’s chances. The first year can be very busy with the curious and adventurous people. The second year is when we learn if word of mouth is on their side. The third year is when we find out if they’ve created a loyal clientele. If we make any call before that we have about the same chance as a New Hampshire weather forecaster.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Momo

Poor construction (closed due to water in non-marine grade materials)... poor captain (Smith Point crash) poor business plan. Sounds like a match made in heaven�� maybe the owner should have stayed with his trampoline

Fake news!