Open Note to Another Captain

[Shreddy]

Solid night time reading and much better read than just complaining about a "captain bonehead". Well played Beauport.

I'm in this area and although I uncovered the boat Saturday, I never left the dock. Needless to say, I'm curious to who the "Captain" is.........

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by Shreddy

Solid night time reading and much better read than just complaining about a "captain bonehead". Well played Beauport.

I'm in this area and although I uncovered the boat Saturday, I never left the dock. Needless to say, I'm curious to who the "Captain" is.........

Yes, done nicely with some class.

But, it doesn't really matter who "this one" is. There are hundreds more Captains on the lake that it could be.

[whalebackpoint'r]

To those who find it difficult to determine what 150 feet looks like when on the open water, it is half the distance between the goal lines of a football field. Another good reference, the official width of a football field is 160 feet. Fifty yards is 150 feet. If you are within that distance of another craft, swimmer or shore line, I believe headway speed is the rule. I also believe the official length of a water ski tow line is 75 feet, so twice that distance. I think this applies to jet skis as well. From my observation, many watercraft operators don't have a clue.

[JTA]

It never hurts to slow to headway speed when confronted with puzzling right of way decisions.
Well stated Captain.

[garysanfran]

I was sharing the "no wake" zone between Governor's and Eagle Islands with about 6 other boats. It was early afternoon. I was headed toward The Weirs when I noticed a boat coming at me at close to full speed. I assumed when he hit the NWZ he would slow. He didn't and kept coming right at me. His heading was North/East. I had to give it full-throttle and take defensive evasive action. I got out of his way just as his boat passed right over the spot I had been in. Never slowed down. Never looked at me (wish he had as well as his female companions.) I literally stopped and sat shaking for several minutes. I thought of radioing MP and following the perp., but I was so shaken I couldn't. I've been boating on this Lake since 1961 and that was the closest I've come to being involved in something very serious.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was sharing the "no wake" zone between Governor's and Eagle Islands with about 6 other boats. It was early afternoon. I was headed toward The Weirs when I noticed a boat coming at me at close to full speed. I assumed when he hit the NWZ he would slow. He didn't and kept coming right at me. His heading was North/East. I had to give it full-throttle and take defensive evasive action. I got out of his way just as his boat passed right over the spot I had been in. Never slowed down. Never looked at me (wish he had as well as his female companions.) I literally stopped and sat shaking for several minutes. I thought of radioing MP and following the perp., but I was so shaken I couldn't. I've been boating on this Lake since 1961 and that was the closest I've come to being involved in something very serious.

Let me take a wild guess …. it was a yellow on white boat with a 603 phone # printed about mid ship in the yellow ??

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Let me take a wild guess …. it was a yellow on white boat with a 603 phone # printed about mid ship in the yellow ??

May have been yellow on white, approx. 24', I/O. Didn't notice a phone #, but then again, I didn't notice much. I was scrambling to get out of the way and not hit other boats. Had he taken a last second maneuver, and guessed wrong, he may have steered in the direction I was taking evasively. I think there was one male and two females in mid-fifties? But again, I didn't notice much. It was mid-week, I try to not be on The Lake during the weekends. It really does get kinda nuts out there.

When my family first started coming to Winni (late 50's early 60's), seeing a boat go by was rare enough to make me and my siblings run to the shore's edge to watch it. When we got our first wooden row boat, we'd just leave it in the water and tie it to a tree when we would head home. Boats back then didn't create the surge they do today. Those were the days when one Forum member told me they used to water ski through Sallies Gut!!!

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was sharing the "no wake" zone between Governor's and Eagle Islands with about 6 other boats. It was early afternoon. I was headed toward The Weirs when I noticed a boat coming at me at close to full speed. I assumed when he hit the NWZ he would slow. He didn't and kept coming right at me. His heading was North/East. I had to give it full-throttle and take defensive evasive action. I got out of his way just as his boat passed right over the spot I had been in. Never slowed down. Never looked at me (wish he had as well as his female companions.) I literally stopped and sat shaking for several minutes. I thought of radioing MP and following the perp., but I was so shaken I couldn't. I've been boating on this Lake since 1961 and that was the closest I've come to being involved in something very serious.

It reminds me of this frightening video:

[garysanfran]

An incredible video! Frightening...

[ApS]

Originally Posted by webmaster

It reminds me of this frightening video:

Was it only last year that I posted a "still-frame" from that crash?

Responses were similar:

"What fishermen have video-cameras running on their boats?"

Fake!

'Guess we found out today.


Every day there's wind and sun...I see the same picture...

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[chipj29]

Originally Posted by ApS

Was it only last year that I posted a "still-frame" from that crash?

Every day there's wind and sun...I see the same picture...

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What is so about that picture? The 2 boats are pretty far apart, not to mention the fact that the boat on the right is pretty far behind the boat on the left. That picture is obviously taken from quite a distance, therefore it is very difficult to judge the distance between them accurately.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by chipj29

What is so about that picture? The 2 boats are pretty far apart, not to mention the fact that the boat on the right is pretty far behind the boat on the left. That picture is obviously taken from quite a distance, therefore it is very difficult to judge the distance between them accurately.

Perhaps it’s the fact that both boats are headed directly toward the photographer and the boat operator has to jockey with two boats.


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[radiocontester]

Originally Posted by chipj29

What is so about that picture? The 2 boats are pretty far apart, not to mention the fact that the boat on the right is pretty far behind the boat on the left. That picture is obviously taken from quite a distance, therefore it is very difficult to judge the distance between them accurately.

Was that picture taken in 1973?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by radiocontester

Was that picture taken in 1973?

It looks it, doesn't it? And probably taken by someone sitting on a dock!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ApS

Every day there's wind and sun...I see the same picture...

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Were you moving or stationary when you took that photo?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by radiocontester

Was that picture taken in 1973?

The camera was a 1980 Nikon E, but leaked light, and the lens was loose. An antique GE digital camera took the attached image below.

I was very late getting into digital cameras, but have five non-working digital cameras but still have three Nikon E "working" cameras, still loaded with color-print, color-slide, and B&W. I'm not risking my two 2¼"x2¼" cameras on Winnipesaukee; however, there's a $185 Hasselblad at eBay!

Originally Posted by Dave R

Were you moving or stationary when you took that photo?

It's a sailboat.

Originally Posted by chipj29

What is so about that picture? The 2 boats are pretty far apart, not to mention the fact that the boat on the right is pretty far behind the boat on the left. That picture is obviously taken from quite a distance, therefore it is very difficult to judge the distance between them accurately.

You've made my point: the speedboat operators are zoned-out in "I-95 mode".

⇨ You don't wait until there's a 150-feet separation between boats before adjusting for your destination.

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[C-Bass]

I remember a few years ago, I nearly hit a swimmer. Scared the heck out me. I had some family members up and took them out for a nice ride. I was coming out of the Moultonborough Bay though the barber pole, it was kind of flat light type of day with chop. Anyway a swimmer was right out in the channel just before you get the two black/reds before the Jetti. The guy was swimming underwater and popped his head right out in front of me. No bright colored swimwear, nothing that would stick out. I had to take some seriously evasive type of action. Scared the CrAAP out of me and everyone else on the boat. Looked back at the guy and he just kept plugging along like it was nothing, diving bac under water. If I had looked away for a second, and not seen him, I probably would have killed him. I have 23ft boat and that sucker is heavy. The weight of it would have killed him never mind what the outdrive would have done. Always have to keep your head on a swivel out there not just for boats but, also for people swimming in the middle of an active boat lanes!

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by ApS

It's a sailboat.

Unless you are both on the same heading (or 180 degrees off), that boat is headed toward a spot that you will have vacated by the time it arrives. It's a common and smart technique to turn directly toward the stand-on boat in a crossing situation, then hold that heading. The stand-on boat is obligated to maintain course and speed, so its bearing, relative to the give-way boat, will change and there will be no collision course. When you see a give-way boat change direction and head directly at you at a distance like that, it's usually a sign that the operator is smart and wants you to know they see you, they are not trying to intimidate you.

[upthesaukee]

APS, I'm glad that sailboat operators never make bad decisions while operating their vessels. Enjoy!

https://youtu.be/x8-vfMqMLAM

Dave

[ApS]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

APS, I'm glad that sailboat operators never make bad decisions while operating their vessels. Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/x8-vfMqMLAM Dave

Yup. Sailboats have a visibility problem.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by ApS

Yup. Sailboats have a visibility problem.

I think if they just put that sucker in reverse, probably back right off that sailboat!! No problem.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by ApS

Yup. Sailboats have a visibility problem.

That will buff out....

[Descant]

That's the response when you keep yelling "right of way" and tack three times in front of a Captain Bonehead who doesn't slow down for anybody.

[garysanfran]

I see a lot of scary stuff on weekends.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I see a lot of scary stuff on weekends.

From the pic you can't tell if the sailboat was under power or not, so how do you know he had the right of way?

[Pricestavern]

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

From the pic you can't tell if the sailboat was under power or not, so how do you know he had the right of way?

The sailboat has both it's mainsail and jib up. It was not under power.

[Weekend Pundit]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I see a lot of scary stuff on weekends.

Me, too. It's one reason I try to get most of my boating in during the week, particularly late in the day. I've seen more than a few gorgeous sunsets while out on the lake this summer.

[Barney Bear]

Heading in to the mainland just southeast of Timber Island, we were approached by a boat approaching from our starboard quarter. I maintained my course since the other boat was an approaching (overtaking) vessel. When it became obvious that he was not changing his course, I reduced my speed to allow him to pass in front of us. I indicated my displeasure by giving him a thumb's down (I did have a choice of digits to use). The other boat's operator yelled that he had the right-of-way. I presume that he thought he was correct since he was approaching from our right.

There was plenty of lake behind us. He could have easily gone behind us without a change in speed. I believe that most of us would have done so. 🐻

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Barney Bear

Heading in to the mainland just southeast of Timber Island, we were approached by a boat approaching from our starboard quarter. I maintained my course since the other boat was an approaching (overtaking) vessel. When it became obvious that he was not changing his course, I reduced my speed to allow him to pass in front of us. I indicated my displeasure by giving him a thumb's down (I did have a choice of digits to use). The other boat's operator yelled that he had the right-of-way. I presume that he thought he was correct since he was approaching from our right.

There was plenty of lake behind us. He could have easily gone behind us without a change in speed. I believe that most of us would have done so. 🐻

I have seen this same scenario many times and always seem to be the one to “chicken” out from the other boat’s obvious game of chicken.
It’s like most everyone else out there thinks they have the ROW no matter what.

[Woodsy]

Originally Posted by Barney Bear

Heading in to the mainland just southeast of Timber Island, we were approached by a boat approaching from our starboard quarter. I maintained my course since the other boat was an approaching (overtaking) vessel. When it became obvious that he was not changing his course, I reduced my speed to allow him to pass in front of us. I indicated my displeasure by giving him a thumb's down (I did have a choice of digits to use). The other boat's operator yelled that he had the right-of-way. I presume that he thought he was correct since he was approaching from our right.

There was plenty of lake behind us. He could have easily gone behind us without a change in speed. I believe that most of us would have done so. 🐻

Well, if you were heading to the mainland, and he was on your right (starboard).... he did have the ROW. You were most likely the Give Way Vessel.

Overtaking only applies when the vessel approaches from the stern.... past the 112.5 deg mark.

Woodsy

[Tank151]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

That will buff out....

Pardon me, but do you have any grey poupon?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Unless you are both on the same heading (or 180 degrees off), that boat is headed toward a spot that you will have vacated by the time it arrives. It's a common and smart technique to turn directly toward the stand-on boat in a crossing situation, then hold that heading. The stand-on boat is obligated to maintain course and speed, so its bearing, relative to the give-way boat, will change and there will be no collision course. When you see a give-way boat change direction and head directly at you at a distance like that, it's usually a sign that the operator is smart and wants you to know they see you, they are not trying to intimidate you.

That's pretty good. But I caution that sailboat speeds on the lake are highly variable, going up and down even more quickly than the breeze itself as the boat's position relative to islands, points, etc can change speed and direction of the wind. Further, sailboats change direction ("tack") more frequently than many powerboat captains realize in order to compensate for these wind changes and other navigational requirements. And of course, many sailboat pilots often have a blind spot when their sails obstruct their view of your power boat.

None of this is to suggest that sailors do not have right of way/stand on obligations, only to point out that the reason they usually have right of way is that they have a significantly tougher time navigating than a non sailor might think. So they should not be expected to be as easy to predict as a power boat.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

That's pretty good. But I caution that sailboat speeds on the lake are highly variable, going up and down even more quickly than the breeze itself as the boat's position relative to islands, points, etc can change speed and direction of the wind. Further, sailboats change direction ("tack") more frequently than many powerboat captains realize in order to compensate for these wind changes and other navigational requirements. And of course, many sailboat pilots often have a blind spot when their sails obstruct their view of your power boat.

None of this is to suggest that sailors do not have right of way/stand on obligations, only to point out that the reason they usually have right of way is that they have a significantly tougher time navigating than a non sailor might think. So they should not be expected to be as easy to predict as a power boat.

Totally agree. My point was that the "offending" boat captain in the photo was very likely well aware of the sailboat and "aiming" for it on purpose. Assuming that the captain is well aware of the other boat and paying attention means he or she is already prepared to adjust course or speed as-needed if the stand-on boat does not stand-on.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Totally agree.
My point was that the "offending" boat captain in the photo was very likely well aware of the sailboat and "aiming" for it on purpose. Assuming that the captain is well aware of the other boat and paying attention means he or she is already prepared to adjust course or speed as-needed if the stand-on boat does not stand-on.

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[VitaBene]

10 letter word for nonsense? I believe your last name fits that letter count

[MikeF-NH]

Last week I was on vacation and rented a place near the west end of Sallys Gut. I typically avoid the Weirs area at all costs because of the amount of traffic and behavior of boaters in the area but since my wife liked the place we rented, I spent a lot of the week in what I feel are the most dangerous waters on the lake.

The good news is that, for the most part, I found mid-week boaters in the area to be professional and well behaved. I may have been lucky but I only had two incidents that made me shake my head.

The first was when I was approaching the narrow area between the markers off Pitchwood. I would guess the "channel" there is only 200-300 feet wide (being generous) and there were 3 boats stopped there "socializing" with each other. They were right in the middle of the area and seperated enough to completely shutdown the passage for boats on plane which I found equivilent to parking in the left lane on rt 93 to get out and talk to a buddy on the road. I came off plane to pass and in the next minute or so I must have had 6 boats pass me on plane. All these boats were 25-30 footers kicking up massive wakes and definitely within 50 feet of me. While I kept my cool, I was a bit heated as both the behavior of the people lounging in the busy area and the boats ignoring the 150 rule.

The second was after we picked up some lunch in Weirs and were cruising at headway speed toward Governors and enjoying some burgers and fries. There wasn't a boat within a mile of me when a toon came up on my starboard on plane at a distance close enough that I literally could have hit him with a french fry (20 feet). Completely unnecessary as the entrire bay was open to him.

My wife commended me on my cool but as I told her...I was expecting much worse for the week in that area and was greatful that we didn't get any close calls or a lot more of that behavior. I think part of the 150 rule issue is that not all states have the rule and people that come up from other states are unaware of the rule here. Ignorance of the law is no excuse and courtesy SHOULD be the rule on the water but I am understanding of why so many 150 foot rules are broken due to the inconsistent law across state borders. I really expected to see a much more prominent presense of MP in the area...don't think I saw them in the Weirs all week.

Bottom line: drive defensively, always assume the other guys doesn't see you and doesn't know the laws if he did, when it doubt - come off plane and let the dangerous situation pass you. If I have someone following too close...I change my heading and let them pass. Defuse situations before they become dangerous when possible. I am greatful for the 95% of captains on the lake that know what they are doing and give the other 5% a wide birth.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

10 letter word for nonsense? I believe your last name fits that letter count

...harr, harr...


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[Dave R]

Originally Posted by MikeF-NH

There wasn't a boat within a mile of me when a toon came up on my starboard on plane at a distance close enough that I literally could have hit him with a french fry (20 feet). Completely unnecessary as the entrire bay was open to him.

Did it have an upper deck and a slide? That guy did that to me twice in that area...

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by MikeF-NH

There wasn't a boat within a mile of me when a toon came up on my starboard on plane at a distance close enough that I literally could have hit him with a french fry (20 feet). Completely unnecessary as the entrire bay was open to him.

I gotta see you throw a french fry (20 feet).
Nice analogy though.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I gotta see you throw a french fry (20 feet).
Nice analogy though.

Haha...those steak fries will go 20’ easy....

[jazzman]

I really wonder what goes on in the heads of people that stop in the pinch zones. There was a toon with swimmers out near the channel at the bottom of Barndoor the other day. Maybe the wind pushed them down there and they didn't realize it.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Dave R

Unless you are both on the same heading (or 180 degrees off), that boat is headed toward a spot that you will have vacated by the time it arrives. It's a common and smart technique to turn directly toward the stand-on boat in a crossing situation, then hold that heading. The stand-on boat is obligated to maintain course and speed, so its bearing, relative to the give-way boat, will change and there will be no collision course. When you see a give-way boat change direction and head directly at you at a distance like that, it's usually a sign that the operator is smart and wants you to know they see you, they are not trying to intimidate you.

In a radar environment, when controlling aircraft on crossing courses, we commonly would "aim" one aircraft at the crossing aircraft's current position or just behind it. Of course the relative speeds of the aircraft involved must be considered.

I do the same thing on the lake, checking first to make sure no one is coming up on me from astern.

[Eyeboat]

FYI,

The offending captain in this incident was an older gentleman/experienced operator partially disabled and at the time of the accident admitted (during deposition) he often can not see over the bow as he is frequently confined to a chair as a result of his physical limitations.

Originally Posted by ApS

The camera was a 1980 Nikon E, but leaked light, and the lens was loose. An antique GE digital camera took the attached image below.

I was very late getting into digital cameras, but have five non-working digital cameras but still have three Nikon E "working" cameras, still loaded with color-print, color-slide, and B&W. I'm not risking my two 2¼"x2¼" cameras on Winnipesaukee; however, there's a $185 Hasselblad at eBay!


It's a sailboat.


You've made my point: the speedboat operators are zoned-out in "I-95 mode".

⇨ You don't wait until there's a 150-feet separation between boats before adjusting for your destination.

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[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was sharing the "no wake" zone between Governor's and Eagle Islands with about 6 other boats. It was early afternoon. I was headed toward The Weirs when I noticed a boat coming at me at close to full speed. I assumed when he hit the NWZ he would slow. He didn't and kept coming right at me. His heading was North/East. I had to give it full-throttle and take defensive evasive action. I got out of his way just as his boat passed right over the spot I had been in. Never slowed down. Never looked at me (wish he had as well as his female companions.) I literally stopped and sat shaking for several minutes. I thought of radioing MP and following the perp., but I was so shaken I couldn't. I've been boating on this Lake since 1961 and that was the closest I've come to being involved in something very serious.

We've seen boats going through there ignoring the NWZ as well...so far no harrowing near misses like you had but nevertheless, unsettling.
I shake my head all day long out there.
Last week someone on the east shore of the channel (little cabins area) yelled at a boat operator as he was throwing quite a wake right there in the channel. The boat operator (I refuse to call them captains) looked at the guy yelling and kept going his blissful way without slowing down.

[Little Bear]

Over the weekend, I saw at least 4 pontoon boats with their "headlights" (aka docking lights) on while underway. Just another indication of the clueless MO-RONS behind the wheel out there. If you ain't operating in total defensive mode, then you have a death wish!

[garysanfran]

Using binoculars from a distance monitoring the rafters near Stonedam. They then went in among them and I lost sight of what they did for the approx. 10 minutes they were there. This was around the time of "dry water", DWI enforcement! So, you may not see them, but they may be watching you!

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Over the weekend, I saw at least 4 pontoon boats with their "headlights" (aka docking lights) on while underway. Just another indication of the clueless MO-RONS behind the wheel out there.

Although I do not have a pontoon boat -- I would cut the "Docking Lights" syndrome a little slack.

I can visualize (and done myself) knocked a rocker switch on the dash and didn't realize it...... it could have been my Nav's, docking lights or Bilge - all are in a prone area. Although the rockers lights up, I defy anyone to see that in the sunlight.

NOW - I do have an issue when anyone who uses Docking lights as a set of "headlights" at night ….. in that scenario, there is no excuse.

Point being -- save your MO-RONS for the deserved.

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[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Although I do not have a pontoon boat -- I would cut the "Docking Lights" syndrome a little slack.

I can visualize (and done myself) knocked a rocker switch on the dash and didn't realize it...... it could have been my Nav's, docking lights or Bilge - all are in a prone area. Although the rockers lights up, I defy anyone to see that in the sunlight.

NOW - I do have an issue when anyone who uses Docking lights as a set of "headlights" at night ….. in that scenario, there is no excuse.

Point being -- save your MO-RONS for the deserved.

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I'd bet they were operating at night. I've seen that often too. Every time I have witnessed anyone running at night with docking lights on like headlights, it was a pontoon boat.

[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Although I do not have a pontoon boat -- I would cut the "Docking Lights" syndrome a little slack.

I can visualize (and done myself) knocked a rocker switch on the dash and didn't realize it...... it could have been my Nav's, docking lights or Bilge - all are in a prone area. Although the rockers lights up, I defy anyone to see that in the sunlight.

NOW - I do have an issue when anyone who uses Docking lights as a set of "headlights" at night ….. in that scenario, there is no excuse.

Point being -- save your MO-RONS for the deserved.

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So how do we determine who is deserved and who isn't? It's the responsibility of the boat operator to be aware of the condition of his vessel at all times (especially at night). The events that I saw were either late dusk or at night - not during the day. So I have a hard time believing that the operator didn't see the rocker switch lit up.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Over the weekend, I saw at least 4 pontoon boats with their "headlights" (aka docking lights) on while underway. Just another indication of the clueless MO-RONS behind the wheel out there. If you ain't operating in total defensive mode, then you have a death wish!

With this coincidence, Is it possible there's a make/model where the nav lights switch also turn on the docking lights? Like the old two position switches that you pulled out half way for anchor and all the way for all nav lights?

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Descant

With this coincidence, Is it possible there's a make/model where the nav lights switch also turn on the docking lights? Like the old two position switches that you pulled out half way for anchor and all the way for all nav lights?

That’s actually a great question! This happened to me when I first got my Bennington pontoon...Going into Glendale from Welch at night. Turn my nav lights on at Welch and do a light check and all is good. On the way in I noticed there was an interior light on on the side of the helm. Not being totally familiar with the switches I start turning rocker switches on and off until the interior light shuts. Yup, you guessed it, interior light is on same switch as nav lights! The helm light is a touch light and your supposed to push it to shut it off but the Nav rocker switch also shuts it. Pretty ridiculous to have it wired this way! Yes, I was pulled over and rightfully ticketed by Marine Patrol. Talk about feeling stupid but it happens to the best of us!

There are those that have and those that will!

Dan

[Descant]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

That’s actually a great question! This happened to me when I first got my Bennington pontoon...Going into Glendale from Welch at night. Turn my nav lights on at Welch and do a light check and all is good. On the way in I noticed there was an interior light on on the side of the helm. Not being totally familiar with the switches I start turning rocker switches on and off until the interior light shuts. Yup, you guessed it, interior light is on same switch as nav lights! The helm light is a touch light and your supposed to push it to shut it off but the Nav rocker switch also shuts it. Pretty ridiculous to have it wired this way! Yes, I was pulled over and rightfully ticketed by Marine Patrol. Talk about feeling stupid but it happens to the best of us!

There are those that have and those that will!

Dan

Interesting. I thought I was shooting in the dark, if not very dim light. I trust you sent the info to the Mfg and they reimbursed the ticket (LOL). At the very least, the dealer should have fixed it and sent info to mfg to issue a TSB to all dealers and owners, same as with automobile recalls. I understand a dealer cannot launch a boat that has improper head/holding tanks. Maybe they need to check lights too? I don't think inspections like we do with cars is practical, but it does appear there are some issues that should be resolved one way or another. I'd rather do somethging voluntary than law.

Do we have any Power Squadron or USCG Auxiliary inspectors out there? Do you check such things?

[Little Bear]

Originally Posted by Descant

With this coincidence, Is it possible there's a make/model where the nav lights switch also turn on the docking lights? Like the old two position switches that you pulled out half way for anchor and all the way for all nav lights?

Of course anything is possible, but I suspect that the use of these docking lights as headlights is intentional.

[ursa minor]

Originally Posted by Little Bear

Of course anything is possible, but I suspect that the use of these docking lights as headlights is intentional.

I'm going to agree with Little Bear. I've seen one pontoon in particular making the run up the Six Pack and heading in the direction of Harilla Landing (and then coming back) many times. They're using them like headlights.

I commend the OP for handling such a stressful situation so professionally, not sure I would have been able to and very glad I was not in that situation with a boat full of passengers. If I have one issue with the 150 foot rule it's that in slowing to headway speed we're assuming that the other operators have seen and understood the situation. If they haven't, we've lost the maneuverability edge that speed can provide.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by ursa minor

I'm going to agree with Little Bear. I've seen one pontoon in particular making the run up the Six Pack and heading in the direction of Harilla Landing (and then coming back) many times. They're using them like headlights.

I commend the OP for handling such a stressful situation so professionally, not sure I would have been able to and very glad I was not in that situation with a boat full of passengers. If I have one issue with the 150 foot rule it's that in slowing to headway speed we're assuming that the other operators have seen and understood the situation. If they haven't, we've lost the maneuverability edge that speed can provide.

Perhaps that is why no other jurisdiction has adopted such a rule? Certainly "good" laws get copied often. Not to open old wounds, but experience has shown that our speed limit has not changed safety statistics. It has reduced noise, which may have been the real agenda. I think our safety statistics are comparable to all other jurisdictions which do not have the 150 ft rule, boat to boat..

I was always taught to look behind me to see what size my wake was and what impact it had on smaller boats. I applaud the OP for watching his "six" and paying attention 360 degrees. Too many watch only, or focus on, the starboard forward quadrant.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I was sharing the "no wake" zone between Governor's and Eagle Islands with about 6 other boats. It was early afternoon. I was headed toward The Weirs when I noticed a boat coming at me at close to full speed. I assumed when he hit the NWZ he would slow. He didn't and kept coming right at me. His heading was North/East. I had to give it full-throttle and take defensive evasive action. I got out of his way just as his boat passed right over the spot I had been in. Never slowed down. Never looked at me (wish he had as well as his female companions.) I literally stopped and sat shaking for several minutes. I thought of radioing MP and following the perp., but I was so shaken I couldn't. I've been boating on this Lake since 1961 and that was the closest I've come to being involved in something very serious.

I realize that I will probably get beat up for this, but, if you have only had 1 "serious" close call since 1961, I don't think that's too bad. I think you're doing pretty good. It certainly doesn't make the lake dangerous if you have 1 close call every 57yrs. Life is a risk, and we all know there are stupid people out there, so If you are going to participate in ANYTHING that has the possibility of being dangerous, then don't be surprised when it is. Expect close calls and (hopefully) you will be aware to avoid them if, and when they arise. It's just the responsible thing to do. I've owned a boat (and motorcycle) since 1987 and have never had any serious close calls yet. Just dumb luck?? Who knows??? I just pay close attention to my surroundings, relax and enjoy!! However, I've had my share of close calls on a snowmobile though, mostly my own fault, but have been lucky to dodge any serious injury/damage so far, and can't wait for the next ride!!! lol A dangerous world is an exciting world, a safe world is boring. IMHO The boat crash on the Columbia river video is some exciting stuff...!!! (Maybe a little too exciting!!) That was a really stupid person that should have been locked up for a few for that one! I would love to know if alcohol, or just plain not paying attention (stupidity), was involved. Not sure which would be worse, both worth serving some time though.

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Cal Coon

I realize that I will probably get beat up for this, but, if you have only had 1 "serious" close call since 1961, I don't think that's too bad. I think you're doing pretty good. It certainly doesn't make the lake dangerous if you have 1 close call every 57yrs. Life is a risk, and we all know there are stupid people out there, so If you are going to participate in ANYTHING that has the possibility of being dangerous, then don't be surprised when it is. Expect close calls and (hopefully) you will be aware to avoid them if, and when they arise. It's just the responsible thing to do. I've owned a boat (and motorcycle) since 1987 and have never had any serious close calls yet. Just dumb luck?? Who knows??? I just pay close attention to my surroundings, relax and enjoy!! However, I've had my share of close calls on a snowmobile though, mostly my own fault, but have been lucky to dodge any serious injury/damage so far, and can't wait for the next ride!!! lol A dangerous world is an exciting world, a safe world is boring. IMHO The boat crash on the Columbia river video is some exciting stuff...!!! (Maybe a little too exciting!!) That was a really stupid person that should have been locked up for a few for that one! I would love to know if alcohol, or just plain not paying attention (stupidity), was involved. Not sure which would be worse, both worth serving some time though.

I don't mind, and enjoy living "on the edge", at times. However, it only takes one incident in 57 years of living to end it. Dying by my own actions is one thing, dying as a bi-product of someone else's incompetence and stupidity, well, that's something I couldn't live with!!!

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

I don't mind, and enjoy living "on the edge", at times. However, it only takes one incident in 57 years of living to end it. Dying by my own actions is one thing, dying as a bi-product of someone else's incompetence and stupidity, well, that's something I couldn't live with!!!

Literally!