Foater's/Citizen water rescue story

codfisher · 03-02-2006, 12:23 PM

Ban autos/trucks from the lake...problem solved

secondcurve · 03-02-2006, 09:17 PM

Winnidiver:

Thanks for your response. I do enjoy your posts, although in this case we will have to agree to disagree. If a person buys a brand new truck and drives it out onto the lake in a winter when it has been incredibly warm without thinking about the risks, then he by definition is stupid. Also, I do think that people who do stupid things should be punished. Unfortunately, few in our society want to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe the previous poster is correct that it should be illegal to have vehicles designed for our roads on the ice. Again, thanks for your input.

upthesaukee · 03-02-2006, 11:02 PM

there can be a fine line between stupidity and inexperience. The guy who acts as airport manager for the ice runway in Alton Bay came over to the bay to check the ice conditions and thickness. What he found was the ice lacked the thickness for him to feel comfortable to bring his large truck with plow out onto the ice (experience). This was after having a couple of cold spells that seemingly developed strong ice.

Perhaps the gentleman at (in) 19 mile bay felt confident that the cold snap(s) had developed sufficiently safe ice when in fact (obviously) it had not. (inexperience ?).

I am reminded of what my Dad used to say to me when I would do something "stupid", especially more than once. "First time is an accident, the rest of the time it becomes stupidity!!!!"

secondcurve · 03-03-2006, 07:11 AM

Does anyone know how old the fellow is who lost his truck in 19 Mile Bay?

hazelnut · 03-03-2006, 08:04 AM

I should think age is irrelevant in this case. Stupid people come in all shapes and sizes, AND ages.

A Law against cars on the ice is not the answer. That is a HUGE can of worms. Next will be a law against Snow Machines on the ice. Then a law against bobhouses and then people etc. I think inexperience is the problem as has been stated.

It seems that some people do not value their lives as much as others. The person who makes that decision to drive a truck out on the ice when there are no other vehicles without first checking the conditions is not exactly an intelligent person in my book. Like all of you I have been monitoring weather/winni forum/newspapers/etc.etc.etc. to help form my decision to go or not go on the ice with a sled this year. Like most of you I chose not to. The risk is WAY too much for the reward. It isn't like the information is hard to get. So when a truck goes through I shake my head and think this person must have just woken up from a three month coma. Either that or they live in a shed with no electricity/TV/Newspaper/etc.

As far as shortening the recovery period: I can understand Winni diver's position but as was stated you can always refuse to do the recovery based on safety reasons. With that said I still say jack up the fines for those vehicles that go through. Maybe people will think twice before driving a vehicle over questionable ice. If I were a betting man i'd say probably not

03-02-2006, 11:02 PM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,598 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,980 Times in 1,081 Posts	A fine line... there can be a fine line between stupidity and inexperience. The guy who acts as airport manager for the ice runway in Alton Bay came over to the bay to check the ice conditions and thickness. What he found was the ice lacked the thickness for him to feel comfortable to bring his large truck with plow out onto the ice (experience). This was after having a couple of cold spells that seemingly developed strong ice. Perhaps the gentleman at (in) 19 mile bay felt confident that the cold snap(s) had developed sufficiently safe ice when in fact (obviously) it had not. (inexperience ?). I am reminded of what my Dad used to say to me when I would do something "stupid", especially more than once. "First time is an accident, the rest of the time it becomes stupidity!!!!" __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-03-2006, 08:04 AM	#5
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	Age? Law? I should think age is irrelevant in this case. Stupid people come in all shapes and sizes, AND ages. A Law against cars on the ice is not the answer. That is a HUGE can of worms. Next will be a law against Snow Machines on the ice. Then a law against bobhouses and then people etc. I think inexperience is the problem as has been stated. It seems that some people do not value their lives as much as others. The person who makes that decision to drive a truck out on the ice when there are no other vehicles without first checking the conditions is not exactly an intelligent person in my book. Like all of you I have been monitoring weather/winni forum/newspapers/etc.etc.etc. to help form my decision to go or not go on the ice with a sled this year. Like most of you I chose not to. The risk is WAY too much for the reward. It isn't like the information is hard to get. So when a truck goes through I shake my head and think this person must have just woken up from a three month coma. Either that or they live in a shed with no electricity/TV/Newspaper/etc. As far as shortening the recovery period: I can understand Winni diver's position but as was stated you can always refuse to do the recovery based on safety reasons. With that said I still say jack up the fines for those vehicles that go through. Maybe people will think twice before driving a vehicle over questionable ice. If I were a betting man i'd say probably not

03-02-2006, 12:23 PM	#1
codfisher Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ban autos/trucks from the lake...problem solved

03-02-2006, 09:17 PM	#2
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1,328 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	Winnidiver: Thanks for your response. I do enjoy your posts, although in this case we will have to agree to disagree. If a person buys a brand new truck and drives it out onto the lake in a winter when it has been incredibly warm without thinking about the risks, then he by definition is stupid. Also, I do think that people who do stupid things should be punished. Unfortunately, few in our society want to take responsibility for their actions. Maybe the previous poster is correct that it should be illegal to have vehicles designed for our roads on the ice. Again, thanks for your input.

03-03-2006, 07:11 AM	#4
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,117 Thanks: 1,328 Thanked 559 Times in 288 Posts	Does anyone know how old the fellow is who lost his truck in 19 Mile Bay?