Ice-in Watch 2006

FLAG! · 02-06-2006, 02:59 PM

other than a gust or two the wind was a non-issue. The challenge was staying dry. With up to 4 inches of slush & water on top of the ice at times the waterproof-ness of your boots was a big factor.

Weirs guy · 02-10-2006, 07:43 AM

Looks like we made some progress last night!

DRH · 02-10-2006, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Weirs guy

Looks like we made some progress last night!

Yes, it's 7 degs here in West Alton this morning.

Merrymeeting · 02-10-2006, 12:33 PM

With temps the way they have been for the past few days/nights, why does it seem that the open water on the Broadview camera is getting bigger?

Island Girl · 02-10-2006, 12:35 PM

I suspect it is the wind.. we need some calm.

Alsobig · 02-10-2006, 12:59 PM

Remember "The Year with out Santa Claus..." Well this is "The Year With Out ICE!"

Rick · 02-10-2006, 01:20 PM

Wind certainly is a big factor. Many wonder why ice doesn't form right away when it hits 0 degrees (C). It is all chemistry and thermal energy. Once the water reaches 0 degrees (C) it takes a very large loss of energy in order for the molecules of water to change to a solid. This is known as Heat of Fusion. For example it takes the loss of 1 calorie to drop the temperature of 1 gram of water 1 degree (C). This is true until water reaches 0 degrees(C). Water must now change from a liquid to solid and this takes an additional loss of nearly 80 calories per gram of water. If you placed a thermometer in the water and watched as it cooled you would see a steady decline in temperature until it reached 0 degrees (C) then the temperature would remain at 0 degrees until all of the liquid had changed to a solid (ice).
If you have trouble understanding this don't worry my chemistry students had trouble also!

Quilt Lady · 02-10-2006, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

If you have trouble understanding this don't worry my chemistry students had trouble also!

Very well stated and understandable. It's a much better answer than . . . "it gets very cold and then a miracle happens"!

FLAG! · 02-10-2006, 05:10 PM

so here's how we prepared ourselves for fishing last weekend when the ice was questionable...

Rope, life jackets, and UV protection sunglasses...

pparisi133 · 02-12-2006, 09:37 AM

Does anyone know how Minge Cove looks as far as snowmoblile access from the marina off 11D out to Rattlesnake Island? We were going to come up today and take a look but mother nature changed our plans. I'm worried we're not going to get a good picture of what's going on now that there going to be 6"+ of snow on the lake.....Thanks!

DRH · 02-12-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pparisi133

Does anyone know how Minge Cove looks as far as snowmoblile access from the marina off 11D out to Rattlesnake Island? We were going to come up today and take a look but mother nature changed our plans. I'm worried we're not going to get a good picture of what's going on now that there going to be 6"+ of snow on the lake.....Thanks!

When you refer to the "marina off 11D", are you referring to the Minge Cove Marina? That's actually off Minge Cove Rd., not 11D.

We saw several snowmobiles going between Minge Cove and Treasure Island yesterday. The ice thickness in that area is reportedly about 6" on average, but the thickness varies widely.

HOWEVER, there are still some large areas of open water along the Gilford shoreline between Ellacoya State Park and the Belknap Point Motel. As of yesterday, the largest area of open water stretched from the shoreline near the Belknap Point Motel more than 3/4 of the way out to Welch Island. That large area of open water is visible in the following photo, taken yesterday from Lincoln Park:

Further up the lake, yesterday there was a large area of open water between Meredith Bay and Governor's Island, and extending over toward The Weirs, which is visible in the following shot:

Moral of the story ... while certain sections of the lake may be safe for snowmobiling, many areas are not safe at this point. If you decide to venture out, make absolutely sure the ice you will be travelling over is safe. Today's snowfall will make that determination more difficult, so be VERY careful out there.

ghfromaltonbay · 02-12-2006, 11:17 AM

The Babes on Sleds and the rest of us snowdancers finally got the right steps. We have over a foot of snow here in northern NJ, heading toward the 18" mark. Hope this much makes it all the way to the lake. Looks like it is supposed to stop here in the late afternoon, although the snowfall has tapered off a bit. We even had thunder + lightning overnight. According to the newscast the storm is following Rte. 95 up the coast toward New England. Can't wait to get to Alton Bay next Saturday and see the Babes on Sleds in action!

upthesaukee · 02-12-2006, 11:39 AM

Forecast for the lakes region is approx 3-6 inches. Long range has temps on Wed Thurs Fri in the 40's with rain on Friday

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DRH, here's a similar pic taken from just west of the Condo's.

DRH, we must have travelled the same road at different times

ghfromaltonbay · 02-12-2006, 11:43 AM

I feel your pain, UTS. The temps are supposed to hit the 50's here by Thursday. I'm hoping that the long range forecast is wrong -- a lot can happen between now and Friday.

DRH · 02-12-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

DRH, here's a similar pic taken from just west of the Condo's. ... we must have travelled the same road at different times

Excellent shot, upthesaukee. It really shows how large that area of open water is.

Skip · 02-12-2006, 04:04 PM

DRH,

What's the weather over your way today? Not seeing much talk of the storm here, wondering how or if it is building up on the ice at all?

Skip

upthesaukee · 02-12-2006, 04:16 PM

I just went up to McGraths and there is about 2.5 inches on the ground in my yard (just above Keywadin park & Sandy Point area), and the end of the bay has some snow on it, but it is mainly just blowing around. Big fear I have is that it will cover the really thin areas, such as the "current area" of the river that was open to beyond the Pavillion just a few days ago. Ditto with thin areas in and around bubblers.

DRH · 02-12-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip

DRH, What's the weather over your way today? Not seeing much talk of the storm here, wondering how or if it is building up on the ice at all?

Skip

We have not gotten much snow so far in today's storm. It's hard to give an accurate accumulation figure due to the blowing, but at this time I would estimate we have about 2" - 3" on the ground. Judging by the weather radar updates, the snow will probably taper off in the next couple hours. It's snowing heavily right now, so if the storm lingers we may get a few more inches. Most of us were hoping for a lot more snow! There really hasn't been any snowmobiling season here yet this winter.

Skip · 02-12-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DRH

...We have not gotten much snow so far ... There really hasn't been any snowmobiling season here yet this winter...

Ditto here, only put 75 miles on the new sled....I even splurged this season for a pair of Collett Communicators for me & the boss, they work great from the living room to garage!

My fear with this light covering is the eager beavers getting back out there and going through the ice again, like the scenario we had several weeks ago. Its been real bad up Pittsburg way, with a number of sleds into the water, especially around areas like upthesaukee just mentioned!

Supposed to warm up mid week but long range is for more very cold weather and possible stormy pattern commencing around the arrival of next weekend.

Still hoping to get enough snow/freeze to sled over the mountain and down to your bay to say hello to you & the missus, Mee-n-mac also owes me a tall tale & ale or two also....but we're quickly running out of winter here!

Stay warm,

Skip

jrc · 02-12-2006, 05:04 PM

You guys are going to have to come south. We've got at least 15" in Hollis and the cornfields are already buzzing with snow machines.

Skip · 02-12-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jrc

You guys are going to have to come south. We've got at least 15" in Hollis and the cornfields are already buzzing with snow machines.

That's what I've been seeing all day on the telly!

Maybe I'll have to bring the new sled to work tomorrow, work's just down the road from one of the Rockingham Junction trails....if the diehards haven't already blown the snow off the old rail beds already!

gtxrider · 02-12-2006, 10:35 PM

[QUOTE=DRH]We have not gotten much snow so far in today's storm. It's hard to give an accurate accumulation figure due to the blowing, but at this time I would estimate we have about 2" - 3" on the ground. Judging by the weather radar updates, the snow will probably taper off in the next couple hours. It's snowing heavily right now, so if the storm lingers we may get a few more inches. Most of us were hoping for a lot more snow! There really hasn't been any snowmobiling season here yet this winter.[/QUOTE

I think the babes have the steps down but their aim is off. Pull the snow north where it is supposed to be. Some areas around here got close to 2 feet of the white stuff. Record snow in New York City. Gee, perhaps they let snow mobiles in Central Park?

And of all days my snow blower gave me trouble. I'm up to my @#&

in snow.

Weirs guy · 02-10-2006, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

With temps the way they have been for the past few days/nights, why does it seem that the open water on the Broadview camera is getting bigger?

Yeah, that hole is disheartening. It keeps freezing over at night only to open back up durring the day. All the bubblers along the shore aren't helping either, the ice out there seems to move around a lot.

02-10-2006, 07:43 AM	#2
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Looks like we made some progress last night! __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

02-10-2006, 12:35 PM	#5
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Wind I suspect it is the wind.. we need some calm. __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

02-10-2006, 05:10 PM	#9
FLAG! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upton, MA Posts: 112 Thanks: 44 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	when fishing on questionable ice... so here's how we prepared ourselves for fishing last weekend when the ice was questionable... Rope, life jackets, and UV protection sunglasses... Attached Images

02-12-2006, 09:37 AM	#10
pparisi133 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Minge Cove Does anyone know how Minge Cove looks as far as snowmoblile access from the marina off 11D out to Rattlesnake Island? We were going to come up today and take a look but mother nature changed our plans. I'm worried we're not going to get a good picture of what's going on now that there going to be 6"+ of snow on the lake.....Thanks!

02-12-2006, 11:17 AM	#12
ghfromaltonbay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clifton, NJ, Alton Bay Posts: 827 Thanks: 255 Thanked 225 Times in 131 Posts	Woo-hoo, bring on the snow!! The Babes on Sleds and the rest of us snowdancers finally got the right steps. We have over a foot of snow here in northern NJ, heading toward the 18" mark. Hope this much makes it all the way to the lake. Looks like it is supposed to stop here in the late afternoon, although the snowfall has tapered off a bit. We even had thunder + lightning overnight. According to the newscast the storm is following Rte. 95 up the coast toward New England. Can't wait to get to Alton Bay next Saturday and see the Babes on Sleds in action!

02-06-2006, 02:59 PM	#1
FLAG! Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Upton, MA Posts: 112 Thanks: 44 Thanked 14 Times in 6 Posts	other than a gust or two the wind was a non-issue. The challenge was staying dry. With up to 4 inches of slush & water on top of the ice at times the waterproof-ness of your boots was a big factor.

02-10-2006, 12:33 PM	#4
Merrymeeting Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Merrymeeting Lake, New Durham Posts: 2,226 Thanks: 302 Thanked 800 Times in 368 Posts	With temps the way they have been for the past few days/nights, why does it seem that the open water on the Broadview camera is getting bigger?

02-10-2006, 12:59 PM	#6
Alsobig Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Merrimack, NH Posts: 30 Thanks: 11 Thanked 9 Times in 1 Post	Remember "The Year with out Santa Claus..." Well this is "The Year With Out ICE!"

02-10-2006, 01:20 PM	#7
Rick Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wind certainly is a big factor. Many wonder why ice doesn't form right away when it hits 0 degrees (C). It is all chemistry and thermal energy. Once the water reaches 0 degrees (C) it takes a very large loss of energy in order for the molecules of water to change to a solid. This is known as Heat of Fusion. For example it takes the loss of 1 calorie to drop the temperature of 1 gram of water 1 degree (C). This is true until water reaches 0 degrees(C). Water must now change from a liquid to solid and this takes an additional loss of nearly 80 calories per gram of water. If you placed a thermometer in the water and watched as it cooled you would see a steady decline in temperature until it reached 0 degrees (C) then the temperature would remain at 0 degrees until all of the liquid had changed to a solid (ice). If you have trouble understanding this don't worry my chemistry students had trouble also!

02-12-2006, 11:39 AM	#13
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	not much in the lakes region Forecast for the lakes region is approx 3-6 inches. Long range has temps on Wed Thurs Fri in the 40's with rain on Friday . DRH, here's a similar pic taken from just west of the Condo's. DRH, we must have travelled the same road at different times __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

02-12-2006, 11:43 AM	#14
ghfromaltonbay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Clifton, NJ, Alton Bay Posts: 827 Thanks: 255 Thanked 225 Times in 131 Posts	Long range forecast I feel your pain, UTS. The temps are supposed to hit the 50's here by Thursday. I'm hoping that the long range forecast is wrong -- a lot can happen between now and Friday.

02-12-2006, 04:04 PM	#16
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Ice & Snow.... DRH, What's the weather over your way today? Not seeing much talk of the storm here, wondering how or if it is building up on the ice at all? Skip

02-12-2006, 04:16 PM	#17
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,597 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,457 Thanked 1,979 Times in 1,080 Posts	At the Merrymeeting end of the bay... I just went up to McGraths and there is about 2.5 inches on the ground in my yard (just above Keywadin park & Sandy Point area), and the end of the bay has some snow on it, but it is mainly just blowing around. Big fear I have is that it will cover the really thin areas, such as the "current area" of the river that was open to beyond the Pavillion just a few days ago. Ditto with thin areas in and around bubblers. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

02-12-2006, 05:04 PM	#20
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	You guys are going to have to come south. We've got at least 15" in Hollis and the cornfields are already buzzing with snow machines.

02-12-2006, 10:35 PM	#22
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Snow you say! [QUOTE=DRH]We have not gotten much snow so far in today's storm. It's hard to give an accurate accumulation figure due to the blowing, but at this time I would estimate we have about 2" - 3" on the ground. Judging by the weather radar updates, the snow will probably taper off in the next couple hours. It's snowing heavily right now, so if the storm lingers we may get a few more inches. Most of us were hoping for a lot more snow! There really hasn't been any snowmobiling season here yet this winter.[/QUOTE I think the babes have the steps down but their aim is off. Pull the snow north where it is supposed to be. Some areas around here got close to 2 feet of the white stuff. Record snow in New York City. Gee, perhaps they let snow mobiles in Central Park? And of all days my snow blower gave me trouble. I'm up to my @#& in snow.