Who turned the lights out on bear

dpg · 07-29-2015, 05:54 AM

At least in Mass anyway we've seen the opposite happening. I was just commenting the other day how I haven't even heard any warnings about trying to conserve electricity during peak hours. Why is that, maybe it really hasn't been all that hot or possibly everyone going solar is helping out?

ITD · 07-29-2015, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dpg

At least in Mass anyway we've seen the opposite happening. I was just commenting the other day how I haven't even heard any warnings about trying to conserve electricity during peak hours. Why is that, maybe it really hasn't been all that hot or possibly everyone going solar is helping out?

Winter is the big issue in Mass right now. Not enough natural gas supply to keep gas plants and heating customers satisfied in cold snaps, so they fire up the diesel generators during cold snaps greatly increasing costs. I believe the last coal plant in Mass. is scheduled to be shut down this fall with nothing built to replace it, might get interesting in Mass. unless someone comes to their senses.

dpg · 07-29-2015, 10:37 AM

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Winter is the big issue in Mass right now. Not enough natural gas supply to keep gas plants and heating customers satisfied in cold snaps, so they fire up the diesel generators during cold snaps greatly increasing costs. I believe the last coal plant in Mass. is scheduled to be shut down this fall with nothing built to replace it, might get interesting in Mass. unless someone comes to their senses.

Hmmm seems I always remember hearing the opposite about gas supply?? But I guess I'm really not sure.

The Real BigGuy · 07-29-2015, 01:17 PM

There is abundant natural gas in the US. Unfortunately there aren't enough pipes running from the west (NY state) into New England to move that gas east. The gas companies are trying but there is a lot of push back in New England. CT cities and towns are waging a major battle to keep a pipeline out of their state.

Kinder Morgan just finalized a plan to run a main across Northern MA, up into southern NH, then back down into eastern MA. If it gets built it will solve the problem of getting gas to the electric generating plants. They expect huge opposition from the environmentalists.

Funny how everyone in New England wants cheap reliable electricity like most of the rest of the country but doesn't want the infrastructure (pipe lines or power lines) to get it done. NIMBY once more.

ITD · 07-29-2015, 04:13 PM

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Hmmm seems I always remember hearing the opposite about gas supply?? But I guess I'm really not sure.

The real big guy nailed it. There is plenty of natural gas in the US, just no way to deliver it to Massachusetts. The pipe lines are buried and once they are in you wouldn't know they were there unless you looked for them. They do require compressor stations but those are few and far between. No matter how it gets done, we need more natural gas in Massachusetts and New England.

wifi · 07-29-2015, 06:15 PM

Has anyone seen a media article of the wide spread power outage in Meredith, Center Harbor, Sandwich, Tuftonboro, Tamworth?

It was a big event to us, but no one seems to want to offer any kind of an explanation. We are supposed to be "members", why is this being kept quiet?

On another tact, bravo to the NHEC, for what looks to be the beginning of high fence around the "Center Harbor" substation. Hopefully they are installing other things to protect the NHEC infrastructure from the bad guys

Lakeboater · 07-29-2015, 06:47 PM

The problem in Meredith is New Hampshire Electrical Co-op. I have dealt with and worked with multiple electric companies and have never seen one worse than New Hampshire Electrical Co-op. They charge you $30 a month just to have service.

brk-lnt · 07-29-2015, 07:06 PM

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HHopefully they are installing other things to protect the NHEC infrastructure from the bad guys

They probably doing that against their will. Electric utilities are being forced by regulations to protect their infrastructure. IMO, it's a good thing, but they're not doing that just because they want to.

Misty Blue · 07-30-2015, 05:32 AM

I think that the CO-OP has a tough gig. With all of the new, big, air conditioned places being built in their area they have to maintain a pretty hefty infrastructure. But many of their customers only use power nine months a year. It has to be costly for them.

I am at work right now and as I write the gas turbine plants are producing 58% of the power being consumed in New England. Since it is Summer and no one is using heat the price of gas is very low and so they can charge way low for their power. Remember, all power plants in New England get paid pretty much the same for the power that they produce. It is run by ISO New England who control what plants run and what we get paid. The cheapest usually get run first until more expensive plants are needed to maintain load.

If you check your NHECO-OP bill you will find that overall we pay about 19 cents per kilowatt hour. The ISO is paying about two to three cents per kilowatt hour to the producers today. That will go up when the air conditioners come on but it is tough to make a buck in the electricity business.

Misty Blue

07-29-2015, 06:47 PM	#7
Lakeboater Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 394 Thanks: 20 Thanked 131 Times in 94 Posts	Co-Op The problem in Meredith is New Hampshire Electrical Co-op. I have dealt with and worked with multiple electric companies and have never seen one worse than New Hampshire Electrical Co-op. They charge you $30 a month just to have service.

07-30-2015, 05:32 AM	#9
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	Nheco-op I think that the CO-OP has a tough gig. With all of the new, big, air conditioned places being built in their area they have to maintain a pretty hefty infrastructure. But many of their customers only use power nine months a year. It has to be costly for them. I am at work right now and as I write the gas turbine plants are producing 58% of the power being consumed in New England. Since it is Summer and no one is using heat the price of gas is very low and so they can charge way low for their power. Remember, all power plants in New England get paid pretty much the same for the power that they produce. It is run by ISO New England who control what plants run and what we get paid. The cheapest usually get run first until more expensive plants are needed to maintain load. If you check your NHECO-OP bill you will find that overall we pay about 19 cents per kilowatt hour. The ISO is paying about two to three cents per kilowatt hour to the producers today. That will go up when the air conditioners come on but it is tough to make a buck in the electricity business. Misty Blue

07-29-2015, 05:54 AM	#1
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,591 Thanks: 150 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	At least in Mass anyway we've seen the opposite happening. I was just commenting the other day how I haven't even heard any warnings about trying to conserve electricity during peak hours. Why is that, maybe it really hasn't been all that hot or possibly everyone going solar is helping out?

07-29-2015, 01:17 PM	#4
The Real BigGuy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,306 Thanks: 125 Thanked 467 Times in 285 Posts	There is abundant natural gas in the US. Unfortunately there aren't enough pipes running from the west (NY state) into New England to move that gas east. The gas companies are trying but there is a lot of push back in New England. CT cities and towns are waging a major battle to keep a pipeline out of their state. Kinder Morgan just finalized a plan to run a main across Northern MA, up into southern NH, then back down into eastern MA. If it gets built it will solve the problem of getting gas to the electric generating plants. They expect huge opposition from the environmentalists. Funny how everyone in New England wants cheap reliable electricity like most of the rest of the country but doesn't want the infrastructure (pipe lines or power lines) to get it done. NIMBY once more.

07-29-2015, 06:15 PM	#6
wifi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 1,321 Thanks: 282 Thanked 287 Times in 169 Posts	Has anyone seen a media article of the wide spread power outage in Meredith, Center Harbor, Sandwich, Tuftonboro, Tamworth? It was a big event to us, but no one seems to want to offer any kind of an explanation. We are supposed to be "members", why is this being kept quiet? On another tact, bravo to the NHEC, for what looks to be the beginning of high fence around the "Center Harbor" substation. Hopefully they are installing other things to protect the NHEC infrastructure from the bad guys