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10-01-2014, 06:38 AM | #1 |
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Lake water level
Does anyone know why they've let so much water out of the lake so early? Had to take our jet skis and boat off their lifts it's so low...
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Lack of rain is the cause of the lower water levels. The dam has to maintain a certain flow to protect down stream interests, it is a tough job and the dam guy does a great job of juggling.
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It is low
It does seem a lot lower this year than it was at the same time last year.
I had to use power with the drive trimmed up to get the boat off of the lift for a ride on Sunday. With the drive trimmed up in reverse it also lifts the boat a little and eases the job of backing it off. My lift was lowered so it was sitting on the bottom and usually the boat floats off easily. Not so on Sunday. When we returned I dropped the passengers at the dock (every pound helps to let the boat rise) and had a lot of difficulty forcibly driving it back on to the lift. The same lift principle that helps in reverse works against you going forward. It's a catch 22, raise the drive a litle to avoid hitting bottom, but it pushes down on the boat. Oh well, it was a great ride to remember all winter, but it will have to be the last one of the summer. |
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Actually the lake isn't all that low right now for this time of year statically speaking. I might be lower then last year, but it has been this low quite often at this time of year. I think this year it happened dramatically fast, do to the lack of rain.
If you look at the information DES provides they have to provide 250 cfs for the Dams.... so the lake is going to draw down when there is no rain to fill it back up.... I Also believe in years past, around Columbus day they also decrease the flow for a couple of weeks, to allow work down stream at various dams....
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Pretty normal water level although, I agree, it seems low.
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Sept rain fall much below average. That is all there is to it.
Sorry, it's not in my skill set to turn the rain back on. |
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So if I read that chart right, 2013,2012,2011 were higher at this time but 2010 and 2009 were lower. Thankfully it's not at 2001 levels.
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Empty?
Was the lake empty in 2001?....Ok so I exaggerated
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As I recall, in 2001, we almost didn't get wet when taking out the dock.....
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I noticed that when taking out the boat last Saturday that we had to back the truck down the boat ramp more than usual..with that being said, we have never taken the boat out this early, our usual is mid October...it's low.
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perusal of this chart which averages the last thirty years shows we're at almost exactly-AVERAGE level for this time of year.
http://des.nh.gov/organization/divis.../graph2014.JPG |
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I took the jetski out at the LI bridge this past weekend, and thought that things where about normal for this time of year.... It is different at that ramp now, as when they reworked the ramp, the filed in part of the ditch that had been created by power loading......
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Low water level
The lake was at an all time low in the mid 60's, I can't recall the exact year. Seems like there was a drought and a new caretaker at the dam miscalculate the water flow. I remember many docks, including the family dock on The Broads were out of the water and we had to beach the boat!
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In all my years here, the lowest I've seen the Lake was on 10/10/2004...
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Was that the "no wake" summer??
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Looking at the chart
It seems like the lake was on the higher side of normal over the last couple months. The draw down and low rain has pulled it into the average range which, by comparison to what it was a month ago, seems low.
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I believe the "no wake year" was from Too much water.
Now they may be making a little room so they can slow the flow for the Winnisquam drawdown that happens after Columbus day on "even" years. |
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The no wake year was about 1996. The lake was about 18 inches above full. I believe it was 4th of July week but someone here probably has better information.
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Years ago they didn't let any water out of the lake one fall and in the spring...our dock started to float and let me tell you, that was something. My camp was the house IN the Hole in the Wall, so any of you here, may know how big that dock is..There was debris in the lake, everywhere! They never did that again...If anyone remembers the year, please post it..I want to say mid 70's..we replaced the dock in 76, due to split beams..
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When the MP finally release the 'no wake' sanction, WMUR was at the Glendale Dock and interviewed me and the family. The crew ask me the put my hand on the throttle and pretend I am going full speed! The clip was shown during the evening news. I was boating at the time and waited till 11 PM for the news. The just showed the throttle action, and cut the rest.
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It was around 4th Of July. Didn't we have it another year too, though?
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No wake year was 1998. I remember because I had just purchased a new boat and could not go anywhere with it.
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Another mo wake year in the early 80's
I recall that the month of June in either 1983 or 1984 was a flooded lake and no wake.
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When I got to the berm around the power loading hole, I had to lift the stern to get it over the berm, then walk around the edge of the hole to the ramp. I had that ramp to myself, so I took my time. As I was headed up the hill with the boat, I saw the boat that I sent around the corner coming down, so I guess they made out better over there. |
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no wake summer
was absolutely 1998-our FIRST summer on the lake!
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We have had several years where the MP has had to put a lake wide no wake restriction in place. The worst in recent history was probably 1998.... That was the year that they had to shut the lake down for the 4th of July... because the water was so high. I remember it well, because we hauled the boats out of the water in mid to late June.... Other years when the lake has gone high, it has been earlier in the Spring before the boating season gets going, or late into the fall, after Columbus day, one year as I recall, I had to weigh the dock down.
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I believe the most recent "no wake" edict was in July 1998. The State was in a quandry about announcing the problem and declaring a "no wake" condition due to the effect it would have on the July 4th period. As I remember, during the preceding week, the "no wake" ban was on again/off again several times, and, as late as Thursday of the July 4th weekend it was "off", but then, somewhat under the cover of darkness, it was re-instated late Friday for an indefinite time period throughout the 4th holiday.
I remember having large plastic buckets (think really big) all along both sides of my dock filled with rocks and water just trying to keep it stationary. I had to step up to get into my boat. |
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the no wake summer was interesting. go slow,don't damage the waterfront property. they pay big taxes you know.
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The purpose of the no wake week was to keep the shorefront damage from occurring until the lake level was lowered. Large wakes onto front lawns would have washed a lot of soil into the lake. Large wakes had the potential to damage docks and leave wood and debris floating around the lake. In some areas large wakes would deteriorate the walls that keep the shoreline in place. Many peoples docks and boat ties are set to work at a certain lake level and the potential to damage boats that were banging against the docks at much higher levels was also a consideration. Although it was a dissapointing week if you were on vacation (I was) it was the right call and in the best interest of everyone that uses the lake. Protecting the shorefront benefits everyone that uses the lake, not just the property owners. |
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Thanks for that, Camp Guy. I remember that too. It was awful. Most docks were under water, ready to lift and float away. The water was washing up along the shoreline eroding it. Low beaches were underwater with fish swimming on them. We went out in the boat a couple of times and still saw a couple of people disregarding the rule. They probably didn't even know, but where was their common sense? They had to see what they were doing to the shoreline. It was disappointing that week but it was absolutely necessary. And yes, we do pay BIG, BIG taxes. But it is not just for us that live on the lake that this was necessary.
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how many inches is the lake down now ?
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Can anyone remember
If the Mount and her two sister ship had to travel at no wake. Or did they go about their normal speed?
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1998 High Water
I was looking through old photos and came across this one.
It shows the small island at Silver Sands when it was mostly under water. People had to walk through mud to get to their boats. The rowboat on the left is actually in an area that is usually high and dry land. |
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May 2006 - Alton Bay - Spring Floods!
Bandstand Underwater "Walking on Water" at Downing's Gas Docks at Downing's
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Extreme High Water Levels
We remember several years when the water level was above many of the docks around the lake. Most recently, we picked up wedding guests [headed for St.John's-on-the-Lake] at the Meredith dock next to Shep Brown's. They had to take off their shoes and roll up their pants to reach our boat. In 1984, the high water lifted the outermost section of our dock off its supports. The "no wake" restriction was declared on, then off, then on again. It was a slow trip out to East Bear Island!!! On the trip out to the island, we were stopped by the Marine Patrol as we were underway at our regular cruising speed, unaware that the restriction had been placed back on. The MP explained that the "no wake" announcement was on the local radio station. I was holding our Scottish terrier while talking with the officer. Smiling, I said "sic him, Duncan". The officer replied "But I'm only giving you a warning".
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Did enough snow fall this year to cause a high lake level?
Is there a point where the flow out of the lake reaches a maximum rate which, for the sake of those downstream, cannot be exceeded? |
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- Lake level at the time melt is in full swing - the ability of the dam operators to keep up with the influx of water - amount of rain received in addition to the melting snow - the current weather and effects of evaporation and use of the lake I looked briefly at the DES website.. one main factor in achievable flow is the Max operation level of the hydro-electric plant which is 1050 cfs.... Anything beyond this requires that the flood gates at the dam get opened... as for the maximum flow I don't know and didn't see it specified by I know that out of lake port we have seen flows as high as 1800 cfs in the past. In short the risk for high water is no greater then it is any other year... we just have to see how mother nature treats us.. hope for less rain.... and we should be ok... all it takes however is one good rain storm and we are in trouble.
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Per the effect down steam, the short answer is yes. The following link explains some of the decision process, an art rather than a science. Lakeport Dam |
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Just a note. Winnipesaukee is not purposely "drawn down" like othe lakes. Instead, the outflow at the dam, in Lakeport, is reduced from a min. of 250 cfs to 30-50 cfs for ~ 2 weeks around Columbus Day for maintenance of the dam and hydro stuff on the Winni River.
Our lake stays at level or even rises while the other lakes drop! I'm sure you meant the lake has drawn down naturally Jeff but I've found many believe it is actually drawn down on purpose and that's not really true! |
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While the drop may not be "deliberate" the expectation is that the fall lake level will be about 1'2" below the full lake level. The management of the dam plans for this to happen in conjunction with less runoff from the watershed during the winter and with consideration for necessary dam flow rates, essentially working with the natural processes toward an expected level.
Right now the lake is about 18" below full lake. It doesn't always go this low. Maybe it is low because we never had any significant thawing or rain this winter. Additionally consider that 2 feet of snow is equivalent to 2 1/2 to 5 inches of water. If that was released quickly it would lead to serious flooding but since it happens over a month or so, it's not a big deal unless you also get some big rain storms at the same time. |
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Rapid lake level rise
To demonstrate how spring rains can have as much of an impact, if not more than snow melt, consider 2006.
The picture below was taken on April 29th, 2006. By mid-May, the water was over the top of the dock, causing the platforms to float in the waves. |
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