Doesn't anyone know what 150' means on the lake?

[WinterHarborGirl]

Originally Posted by Altonbayicefishingfool

On the lake for 5 hours today and witnessed more than 20 plus violations from Alton to Wolfeboro... Did everyone forget the rules from their boater safety class? Crazy to say the least....

You must be new to the Lake....As long as that rule has been in place there are not many people that follow it.....It sounds like thats all you do when you are out on the Lake ....Look for people who break the rules....how do you relax???

[SAMIAM]

Same here....I barely notice violations any more unless they are egregious.
I assume that boats around me are not going to know the rules,so I throttle back or change course to avoid them even when I'm the stand on boat.
What I don't understand,is why they don't know the rules now that licensing is required.

[chachee52]

i remember when I took the classromm course. The instructor took us outside and told us to walk out 150'. I was the closest at 152'. There was a licensed Sea Captain and he walked about 30-40 ft out and then told the instructor that "on the ocean this isn't a rule". The instructor told him that the 150' rule is a rule in every water way, the ocean people just don't see other boats that close to begin with but should be doing it as they are close to others and the shore.
So it just goes to show that people have no sense of what 150' actually is.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by chachee52

i remember when I took the classromm course. The instructor took us outside and told us to walk out 150'. I was the closest at 152'. There was a licensed Sea Captain and he walked about 30-40 ft out and then told the instructor that "on the ocean this isn't a rule". The instructor told him that the 150' rule is a rule in every water way, the ocean people just don't see other boats that close to begin with but should be doing it as they are close to others and the shore.
So it just goes to show that people have no sense of what 150' actually is.

I think the instructor should go back to school. 150' rule is only on inland waterways. Go to Boston Harbor on a busy day....you'll be lucky to see boats 50' apart.

[chachee52]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

I think the instructor should go back to school. 150' rule is only on inland waterways. Go to Boston Harbor on a busy day....you'll be lucky to see boats 50' apart.

As far as I know, Boston Harbor is considered an inland water way. As soon as you enter the harbor the rules apply.
Whether you agree with that or not, even in the inland water ways, even in the rivers, the rule is not followed and I that this is where the instructor and captain where heading.
I've been out on the Merrimack and been over taken by a big cabin cruiser within 20' and swamped by their wake.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by chachee52

As far as I know, Boston Harbor is considered an inland water way. As soon as you enter the harbor the rules apply.
Whether you agree with that or not, even in the inland water ways, even in the rivers, the rule is not followed and I that this is where the instructor and captain where heading.
I've been out on the Merrimack and been over taken by a big cabin cruiser within 20' and swamped by their wake.

Pretty sure Boston Harbor is not in NH...

[RailroadJoe]

Sorry, But Boston Harbor is also the name of the bay in Dover between great bay and little bay, I believe.

[Slickcraft]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

Sorry, But Boston Harbor is also the name of the bay in Dover between great bay and little bay, I believe.

I never would have guessed that, thanks Joe. I see on Mapquest that Boston Harbor Road becomes Dover Point Road along side 4 & 16 just prior to the bridge. http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Bo...arbor&state=NH
So I would assume that you are correct.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

Sorry, But Boston Harbor is also the name of the bay in Dover between great bay and little bay, I believe.

Not on my NOAA charts. http://www.charts.noaa.gov/OnLineViewer/13285.shtml According to NOAA, It's called Furber Strait.

[RailroadJoe]

Dave R. I stand corrected. Little Bay is sometimes reffered to the area where the Oyster River empties in the bay(s). Just east of that and before the Dover Point is what is known as Boston Harbor. Some old maps have different names for everything in the area due to 6 rivers emptying into the Piscataqua (?).

[RailroadJoe]

A little history of the Bays. The US topo maps (UNH series) shows Little bay where I first put it. However, in the latest topo maps its is moved to where you show it. I will try and have the topo map showing Boston Harbor.
http://docs.unh.edu/NH/dovr56se.jpg

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

A little history of the Bays. The US topo maps (UNH series) shows Little bay where I first put it. However, in the latest topo maps its is moved to where you show it. I will try and have the topo map showing Boston Harbor.
http://docs.unh.edu/NH/dovr56se.jpg

Interesting. I drive in that area often, always wondered why the road was named that, and had looked at my chart book to see if there was a Boston Harbor.

[BroadHopper]

Whatever, there is a 150' law that needs to be enforced. So who is going to make sure it is enforced?

[This'nThat]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGirl

You must be new to the Lake....As long as that rule has been in place there are not many people that follow it.....It sounds like thats all you do when you are out on the Lake ....Look for people who break the rules....how do you relax???

Good grief!

[Altonbayicefishingfool]

Originally Posted by WinterHarborGirl

You must be new to the Lake....As long as that rule has been in place there are not many people that follow it.....It sounds like thats all you do when you are out on the Lake ....Look for people who break the rules....how do you relax???

Yah fairly new... Been boating on the lake since 1975, and I still haven't found Weirs beach yet

Just making a point of how clueless people are.. I'm not complaining just stating the fact of how out of control the lake has become the last few years...

[BroadHopper]

I do a fair amount of boating outside of NH. Boaters elsewhere appears to have a lot more respect and common sense. It seems like in NH everyone expects the laws to save them so he boats with disregards. If another boater hit him and the boater broke the law then the sue the heck out of him mentality route.

I actually feel safer boating other than Winni on weekends and non-holiday weeks. That is why I choose to boat elsewhere on weekends.

Can't wait to get back on the water next week!

[RailroadJoe]

The Flatlanders are back. They come from all down south a ways.

[GsChinadoll]

But I find it amazing that all people born and raised in NH are born knowing how to to pilot and navigate a boat. I do not own a boat, would love to someday, if I could win the lottery but I would be very afraid to take it out on Lake Winni and offend all of you "NH" boat people. By the way my husband took and passed the safety course years ago, before it was mandatory and will take it again if we should get a boat. Maybe some of you "experts" should start a group that gives hands on training to new boaters, then, you would have no one to complain about. Now my rant is done. Sorry, but the pointed remarks and innuendo that all of the scofflaws are from MA gets old. I know a lot of NHoles too.

[Lakegeezer]

Originally Posted by GsChinadoll

But I find it amazing that all people born and raised in NH are born knowing how to to pilot and navigate a boat. I do not own a boat, would love to someday, if I could win the lottery but I would be very afraid to take it out on Lake Winni and offend all of you "NH" boat people.

The secret to boating on Winni is to substitute fear with respect. Winni can demand a graduate degree in boating. The weather often kicks up pretty good and as mentioned, there are lots of boats - some big, some crazy. Many good Winni pilots have learned on the small lakes first, where there is minimal traffic. If you get your first boat and Winni is all you have to work with, go out during the week or on early on weekend mornings and get to know the lake. Part of the job is knowing where the markers are (or should be). When you are comfortable with wind, wake, navigation, rules of the road and dealing with those that don't - when you are ready to substitute your fear for respect, then you are ready to boat on Winni.

[laketrout]

Well with the layoff of 30+ marine patrol officers (part time) on the Big Lake this year, I have seen less Marine Patrol. So you can imagine the many more violations that are going unnoticed/unseen this year.

I am off the water for a few days until things calm down,and actually this year so far I do not think its that busy with boaters on the water in my opinion.

[fpartri497]

Originally Posted by laketrout

Well with the layoff of 30+ marine patrol officers (part time) on the Big Lake this year, I have seen less Marine Patrol. So you can imagine the many more violations that are going unnoticed/unseen this year.

I am off the water for a few days until things calm down,and actually this year so far I do not think its that busy with boaters on the water in my opinion.

that doesnt stop the MPs from harrasing people at the Wam sandbar ( like today @ 3:30 P.M. ) and no I wasent one of them

[XCR-700]

Was out last Sat and saw very few boats that were 150' apart unless they were tripple that distance.

That said I have NO concerns as I no where else I have ever boated that required that much space and I personally do worry if anyone comes closer to me than 150'

Its the law, but you will NEVER find me reporting someone for breaking it, sorry but its just excessive and has accomplished nothing.

Policing bad drivers will help a whole lot more than worring about 150' seperation.

Last weekend I saw more bad driving than I ever have in a single day and it was very quiet out. Had no problem getting dock space at Weirs or Wolfeboro, it was unusually quiet all day. The only detraction was the bad driving, people were way too much on the throttle pulling out of docks, running way deep into no wake zones at speed, tons of no wake speed close calls, etc. But of all that, people running at speed but inside 150' were not a problem at all as they were all in full control and I saw no issues of concern.

Learn/teach people to drive better and you will accomplish far more, but the 150' law and the "paper test" licensing law are just nonsense in my less than humbal opinion, but what do I know, I'm only accident free for 50 years,,, Maybe I'll change my opinion in the next 50 years,,, maybe,,,

[Newbiesaukee]

The most dangerous part of either boat or car is still the nut behind the wheel. I do not believe this has geographic limitations.

[RailroadJoe]

NEWBIE Your right on that one. I always thought that New York drivers were bad, but its seems Ma, Conn, NH, VT, and Maine are all the same now. Not safe on any road or water anywhere, I guess. Keep cool and watch out for the other guy.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by RailroadJoe

NEWBIE Your right on that one. I always thought that New York drivers were bad, but its seems Ma, Conn, NH, VT, and Maine are all the same now. Not safe on any road or water anywhere, I guess. Keep cool and watch out for the other guy.

I respectfully disagree!

We in Mass have THE worst drivers in the country with northern NJ in a close second.

In our defense I will also say the we in Ma also have the best drivers in the country as it takes the best quality drivers to survive driving alongside the worst EVERYDAY!!!

Its not easy but we do what we must do to survive in the concrete jungle,,,

[Altonbayicefishingfool]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I respectfully disagree!

We in Mass have THE worst drivers in the country with northern NJ in a close second.

In our defense I will also say the we in Ma also have the best drivers in the country as it takes the best quality drivers to survive driving alongside the worst EVERYDAY!!!

Its not easy but we do what we must do to survive in the concrete jungle,,,

I beg to differ.... I lived in Colorado last year for a short stint... I'm sorry but Mass has some fierce competition when it comes to driving... CO is in close first place, those tools will put flatlanders to shame... Down right scary on the roads out west!!!

[Happy Gourmand]

Originally Posted by Altonbayicefishingfool

I beg to differ.... I lived in Colorado last year for a short stint... I'm sorry but Mass has some fierce competition when it comes to driving... CO is in close first place, those tools will put flatlanders to shame... Down right scary on the roads out west!!!

Oh boy, now we have COholes!!

[dpg]

Winni forum.....A gathering of the "perfect people" Best drivers and boaters anywhere, just ask them...

[Altonbayicefishingfool]

Originally Posted by GsChinadoll

But I find it amazing that all people born and raised in NH are born knowing how to to pilot and navigate a boat. I do not own a boat, would love to someday, if I could win the lottery but I would be very afraid to take it out on Lake Winni and offend all of you "NH" boat people. By the way my husband took and passed the safety course years ago, before it was mandatory and will take it again if we should get a boat. Maybe some of you "experts" should start a group that gives hands on training to new boaters, then, you would have no one to complain about. Now my rant is done. Sorry, but the pointed remarks and innuendo that all of the scofflaws are from MA gets old. I know a lot of NHoles too.

NHoles, nice... Still not the same jingle as MASSHOLE....

[BroadHopper]

NHoles are really wannabees that moved to the area.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

NHoles are really wannabees that moved to the area.

Again I respectfully disagree.

They are the ones who couldn't make it as full-fledge Massholes, the rejects,,, Which in reality makes them an even lower form of life.

I had to laugh this past weekend, we were in front of the Ames Farm getting ready to pull the tube and I look over and see a bunch of "Revere Beach" types at one of the cabins with their black pimpmobiles all with the trunks open and they have weights out and are pumpin iron in 95 degree weather. It was like something out of a 1970's or 80's "B" movie. Just too funny,,,

[diz]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

NHoles are really wannabees that moved to the area.

BH, you've posted a lot of negative comments about people who move here from out of state. This post raises a few questions for me:

What do we wannabee? I bought property here because I like the area. Does that make me a wannabee tax payer? What objections do you have against people who find Laconia a good place to live?

I rent a two slips in a marina you've already pointed out seems to have more empty space than in years before. Would you rather have these go empty this year?

I'll admit that there are many Massholes in the Lakes Region during the summer months but I think you should stop generalizing and consider those of us who are genuinely trying to make NH a place to live year-round. It's really not cool.

[Belmont Resident]

Originally Posted by diz

BH, you've posted a lot of negative comments about people who move here from out of state. This post raises a few questions for me:

What do we wannabee? I bought property here because I like the area. Does that make me a wannabee tax payer? What objections do you have against people who find Laconia a good place to live?

I rent a two slips in a marina you've already pointed out seems to have more empty space than in years before. Would you rather have these go empty this year?

I'll admit that there are many Massholes in the Lakes Region during the summer months but I think you should stop generalizing and consider those of us who are genuinely trying to make NH a place to live year-round. It's really not cool.

Having had to take a trip to Jersey for a funeral a couple of weeks ago I can tell you first hand once you cross the NH border the rules change.
Yes Mass drivers are bad and probably worse the closer you get to the city, but Jersey drivers take the cake. The passing lane is where everyone drives at a steady 20mph over.
The 2 right lanes are for weaving in and out of traffic at 80 to get ahead of the slow drivers only doing 75 in a 55.
This scenario plays out all the way from NH to Jersey.
Now on the return trip my wife and I paid close attention to drivers once we crossed back into NH. Yes there was still weaving in and out of traffic and passing on the right but most but not all doing this were not from NH.
Not saying that there were no NH people doing this but the vast majorities were from other states.
Like it or not Diz this whole area does change during tourist season, it is a fact. Fact also that you witness a different style of driving during the summer months then you do when tourist season ends.
It only stands to reason these same drivers who have little disregard for others on the roads will also transfer that to the lake. But that is the way they do it back home so why would things change just because they go to a different state?

Someone once brought up a good point to me. If they drive that way back home why should we expect them to all the sudden become courteous drivers just because they come to this state?
I stopped complaining after that and look forward to Labor Day.

[RailroadJoe]

Now if all those speeders were ticketed, we could pay off the national debt.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Altonbayicefishingfool

NHoles, nice... Still not the same jingle as MASSHOLE....

Agreed, they are a weak second at best,,,