MP claim high level of voluntary compliance with speed limit

Bear Islander · 08-18-2011, 01:56 PM

Marine Patrol provides data on big lake speed tickets
By Michael Kitch

Aug 18, 2011 12:00 am

GILFORD - Lieutenant Tim Dunleavy of the New Hampshire Marine Patrol said
yesterday that enforcement of the law limiting boat speeds on Lake
Winnipesaukee to 45 mph. in daylight and 30 mph. after dark has brought no
surprises. "What we're seeing is consistent with the data we collected
before the law was enacted and enforced," he said.
Dunleavy said that through the month of July, Marine Patrol officers made 21
stops for excessive speed and issued six tickets and 15 warnings. Only five
of the stops were made at night, leaving 16 made in the daytime. One
particular 50-foot performance boat, like those featured on "Miami Vice,"
was stopped four times for excessive speed, representing a quarter of all
the daytime stops.
Three personal watercraft, better known as jet-skis, and a jet boat
manufactured by Sea-Doo, all less than 20 feet in length, accounted for four
stops. There were four stops of vessels between 21-feet and 25-feet in
length, five of vessels between 26-feet and 30-feet in length and four of
vessels between 31-feet and 35-feet in length.
Dunleavy said that contrary to the recent assertions by a reader of The
Laconia Daily Sun, made in correspondence to the newspaper, that Marine
Patrol has limited its enforcement efforts to large performance boats, the
data indicates that officers have stopped vessels of all sizes traveling at
excessive speeds. "People on shore often don't know why an officer stops a
particular boat," he said. He explained that officers may come along aside
in response to requests for assistance or direction as well as to cite the
helmsman for an infraction, which may or may not involve excessive speed.
The data, Dunleavy suggested, reveals little about the impact of imposing
the speed limits. Repeating that the results mirrored those found before the
law was enacted, he said that "it is really had to say whether the law has
had a significant impact" and noted that other factors, including fuel
prices, the economy and the weather, may affect the volume and speed of boat
traffic. Dunleavy did allow that the relatively small number of stops
indicated a high level voluntary compliance with the speed limits.

codeman671 · 08-18-2011, 03:21 PM

High level of "voluntary" compliance or indicative of the lack of a problem to start? A few bad eggs over a months time cause the problem compared to hundreds to thousands out on any given day.

One single boat made up 25% of all daytime stops. That just bolsters my theory even more.

The original test data/pilot findings indicated there were even less stops and warnings noted than this. Wasn't there only one ticket given during the pilot period?

BroadHopper · 08-18-2011, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by codeman671

One single boat made up 25% of all daytime stops. That just bolsters my theory even more.

If you do the math it is actually more like 33%.

Yankee · 08-18-2011, 07:04 PM

Marine Patrol provides data on big lake speed tickets
By Michael Kitch

Aug 18, 2011 12:00 am

GILFORD - Lieutenant Tim Dunleavy of the New Hampshire Marine Patrol said
yesterday that enforcement of the law limiting boat speeds on Lake
Winnipesaukee to 45 mph. in daylight and 30 mph. after dark has brought no
surprises. "What we're seeing is consistent with the data we collected
before the law was enacted and enforced," he said.
Dunleavy said that through the month of July, Marine Patrol officers made 21
stops for excessive speed and issued six tickets and 15 warnings. Only five
of the stops were made at night, leaving 16 made in the daytime. One
particular 50-foot performance boat, like those featured on "Miami Vice,"
was stopped four times for excessive speed, representing a quarter of all
the daytime stops.
Three personal watercraft, better known as jet-skis, and a jet boat
manufactured by Sea-Doo, all less than 20 feet in length, accounted for four
stops. There were four stops of vessels between 21-feet and 25-feet in
length, five of vessels between 26-feet and 30-feet in length and four of
vessels between 31-feet and 35-feet in length.
Dunleavy said that contrary to the recent assertions by a reader of The
Laconia Daily Sun, made in correspondence to the newspaper, that Marine
Patrol has limited its enforcement efforts to large performance boats, the
data indicates that officers have stopped vessels of all sizes traveling at
excessive speeds. "People on shore often don't know why an officer stops a
particular boat," he said. He explained that officers may come along aside
in response to requests for assistance or direction as well as to cite the
helmsman for an infraction, which may or may not involve excessive speed.
The data, Dunleavy suggested, reveals little about the impact of imposing
the speed limits. Repeating that the results mirrored those found before the
law was enacted, he said that "it is really had to say whether the law has
had a significant impact" and noted that other factors, including fuel
prices, the economy and the weather, may affect the volume and speed of boat
traffic. Dunleavy did allow that the relatively small number of stops
indicated a high level voluntary compliance with the speed limits.

Pineedles · 08-18-2011, 07:17 PM

The bottom line is that the SL will cause consciences people to watch their speed because they inherently do not want to get a ticket. The jerks who could give a damn don't care what the law is. The law does nothing in reining in the lawbreakers! The people in Concord voted the SAFE VOTE! Too many times this type of voting unintentionally undermines our freedom. Too bad!

Funny, it's kind of like gun laws, only the law abiding folks pay any attention to them.

Rusty · 08-19-2011, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

The bottom line is that the SL will cause consciences people to watch their speed because they inherently do not want to get a ticket. The jerks who could give a damn don't care what the law is. The law does nothing in reining in the lawbreakers! The people in Concord voted the SAFE VOTE! Too many times this type of voting unintentionally undermines our freedom. Too bad!

Funny, it's kind of like gun laws, only the law abiding folks pay any attention to them.

The botom line "Pineedles" is that you can't accept the fact that the "people in Concord" voted the way the majority of NH residents wanted them to.
If that "undermines our freedom" then you need to study how our government works.

BroadHopper · 08-19-2011, 04:47 PM

NH and the USA is becoming a stinking ship. What a fine mess the majority of the people got us into.

Pineedles · 08-19-2011, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

The botom line "Pineedles" is that you can't accept the fact that the "people in Concord" voted the way the majority of NH residents wanted them to.
If that "undermines our freedom" then you need to study how our government works.

The bottom line rusty is that you missed the point, totally! Why do you even respond to things that you don't understand? Your continued retorts as Sunset on the Dock, et. al. are boring. I acknowledge that there is a SL on the lake, and you should acknowlede that some of us think it is still useless. You and your ilk won, and we lost. Are you going to deny me the right to continue to voice an objection to the law?

Rusty · 08-20-2011, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

The bottom line rusty is that you missed the point, totally! Why do you even respond to things that you don't understand? Your continued retorts as Sunset on the Dock, et. al. are boring. I acknowledge that there is a SL on the lake, and you should acknowlede that some of us think it is still useless. You and your ilk won, and we lost. Are you going to deny me the right to continue to voice an objection to the law?

Just to set the record straight, I have never posted as "Sunset on the Dock".

I can't deny you anything in life. I think you should voice your opinion anyway that you want...however....please don't deny me a response to your opinion. If you are going to write in a way that is difficult to understand then I have to comment on it the way "I" interpret it.
I acknowledge that some of you think the SL is useless.

Pineedles · 08-20-2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

Just to set the record straight, I have never posted as "Sunset on the Dock".

.

So you say. wink, wink, nod, nod.

Rusty · 08-21-2011, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

So you say. wink, wink, nod, nod.

Your continued retorts as elchase, The Phantom, evelyyn, et. al. are boring!

Will Pineedles be your last user name???

pm203 · 08-28-2011, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

The botom line the fact that the "people in Concord" voted .

People? You must mean the ameteurs that pose as politicians in this state. Educated, smart, professional politicians that do the right thing are the minority in this state . How unfortunate.

topwater · 08-28-2011, 05:48 PM

Rusty, Oh I mean Sunset Bob, Pineedles has always had only one, not like yourself, going back and forth between Bob and Rusty sometimes is hard to keep up with. By the way was that you in Meredith Bay with a kayak today?

Rusty · 08-28-2011, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topwater

Rusty, Oh I mean Sunset Bob, Pineedles has always had only one, not like yourself, going back and forth between Bob and Rusty sometimes is hard to keep up with. By the way was that you in Meredith Bay with a kayak today?

No, I’m the 46 year-old-man who was killed in Danville, NH today when I rear ended a car that was in the break down lane. My Pontiac Sunbird was totaled also.

http://www.wmur.com/news/29004835/detail.html

tis · 08-29-2011, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

Your continued retorts as elchase, The Phantom, evelyyn, et. al. are boring!

Will Pineedles be your last user name???

That is TOO much!

No way is Pineeedles THOSE three (or that one).

Pineedles · 08-29-2011, 10:36 AM

Thanks all. I decided not to respond to his last accusation because Rusty and I would just go back and forth, and that's pointless. I'm cleaning up the yard and decided to take a break. No damage to the home and we are one of the lucky ones with power, but no power at the factory, hence no real work today.

VtSteve · 08-29-2011, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pineedles

Thanks all. I decided not to respond to his last accusation because Rusty and I would just go back and forth, and that's pointless. I'm cleaning up the yard and decided to take a break. No damage to the home and we are one of the lucky ones with power, but no power at the factory, hence no real work today.

Well, at least it's a fairly pleasant day for yard work.

08-18-2011, 01:56 PM	#1
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,764 Thanks: 32 Thanked 441 Times in 207 Posts	MP claim high level of voluntary compliance with speed limit Marine Patrol provides data on big lake speed tickets By Michael Kitch Aug 18, 2011 12:00 am GILFORD - Lieutenant Tim Dunleavy of the New Hampshire Marine Patrol said yesterday that enforcement of the law limiting boat speeds on Lake Winnipesaukee to 45 mph. in daylight and 30 mph. after dark has brought no surprises. "What we're seeing is consistent with the data we collected before the law was enacted and enforced," he said. Dunleavy said that through the month of July, Marine Patrol officers made 21 stops for excessive speed and issued six tickets and 15 warnings. Only five of the stops were made at night, leaving 16 made in the daytime. One particular 50-foot performance boat, like those featured on "Miami Vice," was stopped four times for excessive speed, representing a quarter of all the daytime stops. Three personal watercraft, better known as jet-skis, and a jet boat manufactured by Sea-Doo, all less than 20 feet in length, accounted for four stops. There were four stops of vessels between 21-feet and 25-feet in length, five of vessels between 26-feet and 30-feet in length and four of vessels between 31-feet and 35-feet in length. Dunleavy said that contrary to the recent assertions by a reader of The Laconia Daily Sun, made in correspondence to the newspaper, that Marine Patrol has limited its enforcement efforts to large performance boats, the data indicates that officers have stopped vessels of all sizes traveling at excessive speeds. "People on shore often don't know why an officer stops a particular boat," he said. He explained that officers may come along aside in response to requests for assistance or direction as well as to cite the helmsman for an infraction, which may or may not involve excessive speed. The data, Dunleavy suggested, reveals little about the impact of imposing the speed limits. Repeating that the results mirrored those found before the law was enacted, he said that "it is really had to say whether the law has had a significant impact" and noted that other factors, including fuel prices, the economy and the weather, may affect the volume and speed of boat traffic. Dunleavy did allow that the relatively small number of stops indicated a high level voluntary compliance with the speed limits.

08-18-2011, 07:04 PM	#4
Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 150 Thanks: 19 Thanked 38 Times in 23 Posts	MP delcares that speed limit has had no significant impact Marine Patrol provides data on big lake speed tickets By Michael Kitch Aug 18, 2011 12:00 am GILFORD - Lieutenant Tim Dunleavy of the New Hampshire Marine Patrol said yesterday that enforcement of the law limiting boat speeds on Lake Winnipesaukee to 45 mph. in daylight and 30 mph. after dark has brought no surprises. "What we're seeing is consistent with the data we collected before the law was enacted and enforced," he said. Dunleavy said that through the month of July, Marine Patrol officers made 21 stops for excessive speed and issued six tickets and 15 warnings. Only five of the stops were made at night, leaving 16 made in the daytime. One particular 50-foot performance boat, like those featured on "Miami Vice," was stopped four times for excessive speed, representing a quarter of all the daytime stops. Three personal watercraft, better known as jet-skis, and a jet boat manufactured by Sea-Doo, all less than 20 feet in length, accounted for four stops. There were four stops of vessels between 21-feet and 25-feet in length, five of vessels between 26-feet and 30-feet in length and four of vessels between 31-feet and 35-feet in length. Dunleavy said that contrary to the recent assertions by a reader of The Laconia Daily Sun, made in correspondence to the newspaper, that Marine Patrol has limited its enforcement efforts to large performance boats, the data indicates that officers have stopped vessels of all sizes traveling at excessive speeds. "People on shore often don't know why an officer stops a particular boat," he said. He explained that officers may come along aside in response to requests for assistance or direction as well as to cite the helmsman for an infraction, which may or may not involve excessive speed. The data, Dunleavy suggested, reveals little about the impact of imposing the speed limits. Repeating that the results mirrored those found before the law was enacted, he said that "it is really had to say whether the law has had a significant impact" and noted that other factors, including fuel prices, the economy and the weather, may affect the volume and speed of boat traffic. Dunleavy did allow that the relatively small number of stops indicated a high level voluntary compliance with the speed limits. __________________ __________________ __________________ So what have we learned in the past two thousand years? "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of Obamunism should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest the Republic become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." . . .Evidently nothing. (Cicero, 55 BC augmented by me, 2010 AD)

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codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,499 Thanks: 221 Thanked 815 Times in 489 Posts	High level of "voluntary" compliance or indicative of the lack of a problem to start? A few bad eggs over a months time cause the problem compared to hundreds to thousands out on any given day. One single boat made up 25% of all daytime stops. That just bolsters my theory even more. The original test data/pilot findings indicated there were even less stops and warnings noted than this. Wasn't there only one ticket given during the pilot period?

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Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	The bottom line is that the SL will cause consciences people to watch their speed because they inherently do not want to get a ticket. The jerks who could give a damn don't care what the law is. The law does nothing in reining in the lawbreakers! The people in Concord voted the SAFE VOTE! Too many times this type of voting unintentionally undermines our freedom. Too bad! Funny, it's kind of like gun laws, only the law abiding folks pay any attention to them.

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Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,545 Thanks: 1,072 Thanked 668 Times in 367 Posts	Thanks all. I decided not to respond to his last accusation because Rusty and I would just go back and forth, and that's pointless. I'm cleaning up the yard and decided to take a break. No damage to the home and we are one of the lucky ones with power, but no power at the factory, hence no real work today.

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