Speed limit proponents

Cal · 04-01-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frank m.

Generally, when you look out on the lake and see a typical American family cruising along leisurely in their 21-footer and then see a young well-tanned city-slicker in a 40-foot Baja flying past at full throttle with the stereo blasting.

Is this what you see or what you "think" you see or what you would like to see???
I have an undersized overpowered Formula and I can't tell you the number of times I've had that typical American family in their 21 footer(rental perhaps)come up from behind , and pass me like we were on a TWO LANE ROAD , just because I was going slow and their 125 hp outboard is going to beat the Formula.
I almost wish you would get your speed limit , just so you could see that speed is not the problem. It's people who are clueless or drive like they have blinders on and they are in their own little world.

Bear Lover · 04-01-2005, 11:32 PM

Here is an example of a boating activity that is to fast and to dangerous for Lake Winnipesaukee.

upthesaukee · 04-01-2005, 11:58 PM

I smiled when I saw the reference on the "winnfabs" website about effective enforcement on Lake George & Saratoga Lake in upstate NY. Most of Lake George is very narrow with quite a few islands that channel traffic into a small navigation area, pretty much like Alton Bay from Echo Point to Little Mark (for width---maybe a little wider. Saratoga Lake isn't much bigger than Wolfeboro Bay as seen from shore...haven't been on it.

Enforcement...use relatively inexpensive radar guns (is that website going to fund the cost???? ) or even better is the use of the trained eye of experienced patrol officers in estimating speed (who's funding the use of experienced officers to estimate the speed).

From their own link to a a USCG report on accidents 2003 (pg37 or so I think): they show the causes of accidents:

total accidents operation of vessel 3105
operator inattention 703
careless reckless oper 486
operator inexperience 477
excessive speed 446
no proper lookout 326
alcohol 289
rules of the road infraction 199

these seven causes contribute to 2926 of the accidents. The first 3 plus the last cause totals 1865 accidents or almost 64% of the accidents. speed is 15%.

The speed cause is of concern to me because there is no quantitative data here. Was it 50 MPH, 60, 90, 100+???? or was it 15 MPH while docking at the Alton Docks???

Lake George and Saratoga Lake are not Winnipesaukee. Nor is our Marine Patrol funded for this type of enforcement. We have adequate regulation and simply need enforcement of the existing laws and education education education. Some of that education will come in the form of fines and operating privilege suspension, but let's not over legislate. I am more concerned with the 64% accidents than I am with the speed related, and with the 64% I didn't even include the improper lookout. Speed is not the major factor here.

Hope the bill fails!!!!

04-01-2005, 11:32 PM	#2
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04-01-2005, 11:58 PM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,600 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,462 Thanked 1,983 Times in 1,083 Posts	I smiled when I saw the reference on the "winnfabs" website about effective enforcement on Lake George & Saratoga Lake in upstate NY. Most of Lake George is very narrow with quite a few islands that channel traffic into a small navigation area, pretty much like Alton Bay from Echo Point to Little Mark (for width---maybe a little wider. Saratoga Lake isn't much bigger than Wolfeboro Bay as seen from shore...haven't been on it. Enforcement...use relatively inexpensive radar guns (is that website going to fund the cost???? ) or even better is the use of the trained eye of experienced patrol officers in estimating speed (who's funding the use of experienced officers to estimate the speed). From their own link to a a USCG report on accidents 2003 (pg37 or so I think): they show the causes of accidents: total accidents operation of vessel 3105 operator inattention 703 careless reckless oper 486 operator inexperience 477 excessive speed 446 no proper lookout 326 alcohol 289 rules of the road infraction 199 these seven causes contribute to 2926 of the accidents. The first 3 plus the last cause totals 1865 accidents or almost 64% of the accidents. speed is 15%. The speed cause is of concern to me because there is no quantitative data here. Was it 50 MPH, 60, 90, 100+???? or was it 15 MPH while docking at the Alton Docks??? Lake George and Saratoga Lake are not Winnipesaukee. Nor is our Marine Patrol funded for this type of enforcement. We have adequate regulation and simply need enforcement of the existing laws and education education education. Some of that education will come in the form of fines and operating privilege suspension, but let's not over legislate. I am more concerned with the 64% accidents than I am with the speed related, and with the 64% I didn't even include the improper lookout. Speed is not the major factor here. Hope the bill fails!!!! __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!