It Figures....

[VtSteve]

It's pretty useless to give the time of day to people that ridicule The Coast Guard Rules of Navigation, and tell people that they support drunken boating. So in that light, I will now simply ignore those that come up with these ridiculous taunts.

Now onward and upward.

The thing to do is simply put out the information, and let people decide for themselves what's going on. Those of us on the boater safety side, typically have agreed with Marine Patrol Director Barrett, as well as the United States Coast Guard navigational and safety rules.


There's a reason that many that only support speed limits do not discuss accidents on lakes that already have speed limits. Hint, in almost every case, the cause of the accident was BUI and/or a violation of the USCG rules.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VtSteve

The thing to do is simply put out the information, and let people decide for themselves what's going on.

All righty:

"Thanks to the Speed Limit, we've never had such a safe and successful boating season on Lake Winnipesaukee in memory."

[BroadHopper]

Whose 'We' APS?

You surely don't represent the whole lake. There are hundreds of us who are sick and tired of a small group of people saying they represent everyone who use the lake. My family grew up on the lake since 1892 and we are upset when folks just move to the lake and tell us what to do.

If you don't like the lake the way it is. Move on. I like it the way it is.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by gtagrip

What about all the chaos in the BP area? I here it's not so safe there!

The "usual suspects" can't understand peaceful boaters, and can't even seem to keep to the topic!

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Whose 'We' APS?

You surely don't represent the whole lake. There are hundreds of us who are sick and tired of a small group of people saying they represent everyone who use the lake. My family grew up on the lake since 1892 and we are upset when folks just move to the lake and tell us what to do.

Sorry, Sir, I'll get my boats out of your way—right away.

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

The "usual suspects" can't understand peaceful boaters, and can't even seem to keep to the topic!



Sorry, Sir, I'll get my boats out of your way—right away.

Just like all you're incoherant ramblings are always on topic. That's the pot calling the kettle black!

[sunset on the dock]

I read through our present SL law today and was happy to see that we ALREADY have safe and prudent...why do we need anything more?

X.(a) No person shall operate a vessel on Lake Winnipesaukee at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions and without regard for the actual and potential hazards then existing. In all cases, speed shall be controlled so that the operator will be able to avoid endangering or colliding with any person, vessel, object, or shore.

Glad that's settled...we just needed to review the law we already had. We don't need any more feel good laws!!

[Skip]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

I read through our present SL law today and was happy to see that we ALREADY have safe and prudent...why do we need anything more?

X.(a) No person shall operate a vessel on Lake Winnipesaukee at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under existing conditions and without regard for the actual and potential hazards then existing. In all cases, speed shall be controlled so that the operator will be able to avoid endangering or colliding with any person, vessel, object, or shore.

Glad that's settled...we just needed to review the law we already had. We don't need any more feel good laws!!

You are correct....we have discussed this provision several times in the past on this site.

Right, wrong or indifferent it shows me two things...that the current sponsors have not carefully researched existing legislation, and this proposal is intended to do only one thing. Repeal the existing speed limits on Winnipesaukee.

We can all agree or disagree or even discuss compromise over the existing speed limits, but first we need to be honest with what our intents truly are. In my opinion honesty and openess remains completely lacking in the proposed legislation. A very important reason why it will ultimately be ruled inexpedient to legislate.

Its too bad. I truly believe if SBONH had been honest and open and willing to sit down to the table then a true "modification" could have been brought forward, one that maybe opened up the Broads and looked at the existing limits. But by using the "throw the baby out with the bathwater" approach, SBONH is soon to find out the realities of politics in a small State like ours....

[melvin bay]

this letter in the sun seems a little different from the one in Sundays monitor:Letters
Republican mandate doesn't include repeal of boat speed limit
Dec 16, 2010 12:00 am
To the editor,

The concept of allowing boaters to decide for themselves how fast is “reasonable and prudent” is the only thing that can work on the ocean. Enforcing a set speed limit on the open seas is impossible. The best that can be done there is to have a law that can be applied after the fact, to decide whether an accident was the result of a crime. But Lake Winnipesaukee is not the ocean. It is a lake. Speed limits are enforceable here, they are working, and people have been obeying them. Allowing “thunder boaters” to decide for themselves how fast is “reasonable and prudent” is not necessary here, we can do much better than that, and we have been doing much better than that for three years. And with all the real issues our legislature has to worry about right now, is this something they should be mucking around with anyway?

Two years of a 45 MPH speed limit law after a one year Marine Patrol “informal test” have proven that those very few very aggressive cowboys who caused so much mayhem respect a black and white speed limit. Only twenty-some speeding tickets had to be issued over this period, proving what those that use the lake saw, what most people expected . . . how much more civil and “recreational” boating on Winnipesaukee was for all once again, and how people obey laws that are clear and unambiguous. Why even think about changing that? Especially with all the serious issues our legislators need to address.

The problem on Winnipesaukee has never been the responsible boater behind the helm of a fast boat . . . it has been the irresponsible cowboy who always wants to see what he can get away with. Cowboys are just big kids. Kids need to be given curfews and defined limits. . . 9 o'clock. . . four cookies. . . take a bath. They cannot decide from themselves. They are not mature or responsible enough. Telling a cowboy “Just go as fast as you feel is reasonable and prudent” is like telling a kid to just eat as much candy as he thinks he should. Kids have a different idea of what "reasonable and prudent" means than we do, Because we have adult minds, and they have adolescent minds.

Last summer, boating traffic on Winnipesaukee was as balanced and civil as we have seen for over 20 years. All of us got to enjoy our boats and enjoy the lake. Kids camps were sailing and canoeing again. Dealers were selling canoes and kayaks again. Waterside restaurants were struggling to find dock space again. Sailing clubs held regattas and sailing schools again. Rowers in skulls were out there in numbers never seen before. Fathers were taking their sons fishing again. And off-shore boats were still out there, going 45 MPH, which any boater knows is pretty darn fast on the water. No longer were the majority of family boaters being ruled by the aggressive boating of such a small minority, so why even think about going back? Especially with the real problems N.H. has for our elected officials to fix.

The election of Republicans to Concord in such a landslide was not a mandate to repeal such a functional law that even Republican voters favor so overwhelmingly. We elected Republicans to return fiscal responsibility to New Hampshire, not to return “thunder boating” to Winnipesaukee. Cowboys behind the wheels of thunder boats are not the “Republican” standard. That standard is embodied in the father who wants to get behind the wheel of his runabout to take his family for an ice cream, or take his kids tubing. Now he can do that again. Please don’t go back to the mayhem that so many hundreds of people described. . . the mayhem that the current law virtually eliminated.

Those who want Coast Guard rules should go to the ocean. Besides, there are important matters facing New Hampshire right now, and unleashing the “thunder boaters” to terrorize us once again is not one of them. That is not what we voted for.

Ed Chase

Meredith

[AllAbourdon]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

this letter in the sun seems a little different from the one in Sundays monitor:Letters
Republican mandate doesn't include repeal of boat speed limit
Dec 16, 2010 12:00 am
To the editor,

The concept of allowing boaters to decide for themselves how fast is “reasonable and prudent” is the only thing that can work on the ocean. Enforcing a set speed limit on the open seas is impossible. The best that can be done there is to have a law that can be applied after the fact, to decide whether an accident was the result of a crime. But Lake Winnipesaukee is not the ocean. It is a lake. Speed limits are enforceable here, they are working, and people have been obeying them. Allowing “thunder boaters” to decide for themselves how fast is “reasonable and prudent” is not necessary here, we can do much better than that, and we have been doing much better than that for three years. And with all the real issues our legislature has to worry about right now, is this something they should be mucking around with anyway?

Two years of a 45 MPH speed limit law after a one year Marine Patrol “informal test” have proven that those very few very aggressive cowboys who caused so much mayhem respect a black and white speed limit. Only twenty-some speeding tickets had to be issued over this period, proving what those that use the lake saw, what most people expected . . . how much more civil and “recreational” boating on Winnipesaukee was for all once again, and how people obey laws that are clear and unambiguous. Why even think about changing that? Especially with all the serious issues our legislators need to address.

The problem on Winnipesaukee has never been the responsible boater behind the helm of a fast boat . . . it has been the irresponsible cowboy who always wants to see what he can get away with. Cowboys are just big kids. Kids need to be given curfews and defined limits. . . 9 o'clock. . . four cookies. . . take a bath. They cannot decide from themselves. They are not mature or responsible enough. Telling a cowboy “Just go as fast as you feel is reasonable and prudent” is like telling a kid to just eat as much candy as he thinks he should. Kids have a different idea of what "reasonable and prudent" means than we do, Because we have adult minds, and they have adolescent minds.

Last summer, boating traffic on Winnipesaukee was as balanced and civil as we have seen for over 20 years. All of us got to enjoy our boats and enjoy the lake. Kids camps were sailing and canoeing again. Dealers were selling canoes and kayaks again. Waterside restaurants were struggling to find dock space again. Sailing clubs held regattas and sailing schools again. Rowers in skulls were out there in numbers never seen before. Fathers were taking their sons fishing again. And off-shore boats were still out there, going 45 MPH, which any boater knows is pretty darn fast on the water. No longer were the majority of family boaters being ruled by the aggressive boating of such a small minority, so why even think about going back? Especially with the real problems N.H. has for our elected officials to fix.

The election of Republicans to Concord in such a landslide was not a mandate to repeal such a functional law that even Republican voters favor so overwhelmingly. We elected Republicans to return fiscal responsibility to New Hampshire, not to return “thunder boating” to Winnipesaukee. Cowboys behind the wheels of thunder boats are not the “Republican” standard. That standard is embodied in the father who wants to get behind the wheel of his runabout to take his family for an ice cream, or take his kids tubing. Now he can do that again. Please don’t go back to the mayhem that so many hundreds of people described. . . the mayhem that the current law virtually eliminated.

Those who want Coast Guard rules should go to the ocean. Besides, there are important matters facing New Hampshire right now, and unleashing the “thunder boaters” to terrorize us once again is not one of them. That is not what we voted for.

Ed Chase

Meredith

Where's the facts? =( I guess it's just a letter to the editor but there are a lot of unsubstantiated claims in here.

[melvin bay]

Can anyone verify or hopefully refute these quotes from yesterdays Concord Monitor.I dont belong to off shoreonly forum.


There's no question reasonable and prudent does not apply to this crowd and the comment about "doubling the speed limit" is the tip of the iceberg. The head of SBONH, known as OCDACTIVE on some of the speed boat forums, writes on offshoreonly.com :
Regarding drinking: 1/25/10 OCDACTIVE writes : "I had started at noon and went to shots at 8 PM then forgot to eat".
1/25/10 "But you know one thing leads to another, things get a little crazy, you become forgetful and wake up on the floor in the dogs bed with a raging headache".
1/28/10, in response to a comment about the"poor stock " at Hooters: "Well if we are there from noon until 11 PM they are bound to look a little better".

This is not the kind of talk that gives one the impression that the head of a safe boating organization has a clue about reasonable and prudent. Should this group be lecturing us about boating safety and what laws we should enact? My concern after reading these comments was that this person was in danger of (figuratively) crashing and burning in a manner similar to Ms. Blizzard. And the new and former state reps. who have been linked with SBONH and have attended their events...they need to take a fresh look at what an association with this group really represents.
People on the lake are tired of this kind of behavior from a small minority of immature men who wish to race their oversized overpowered boats all around the lake and that's why they pushed for speed limits. Today's article in the Monitor is a clear example of how reasonable and prudent will not work for this crowd. I don't trust SBONH!

[DEJ]

Melvin, it is unfortunate that you didn't read the next comment immediately following that refutes the quotes and questions the intent of the comments to begin with. I hope that this was just an oversight on your part and not just an attempt to stir the pot and try to misdirect the true debate.

Another case of if you cant win the arguement go personalBy bobf - 12/22/2010 - 8:38 pm
Millie your reply is just one in a string of "when you cant win the arguement go personal"
You and your fellow supports of speed limits have nothing to stand on with regards to speed limits on the lake, nothing, no facts no figures ....no nothing, so when you cant win the battle of whats right and wrong here, you go personal. Taking some old posts from a web forum, snipping them up so they read out of context is not very honest now is it. Any one who knows the president of SBONH, KNOWS that he does not drink and drive ANYTHING, not ever, not even maybe. ITs NEVER. So lets move on here shall we.....

[VtSteve]

As I recall, he's pretty famous for having O'Douls and any other non-alcoholic beverage. Whichever troll you are Melvin, you really barked up the wrong tree there. You have to be quite a person to put something like that in a paper.

And for instigators worried about who's being an adult, where are you now?

Relentless personal attacks and lies, quite a group you have there. It's enough to make anyone wonder if anything you guys say has any degree of truth to it. Amazingly weak cases when you have to resort to things like that, simply amazing.

[ishoot308]

Well Melvin, all I can say is I invited the President of SBONH over to my camp on Winni for a beer and a meet and greet last year. He informed me at that time that he never drinks anything not even one beer before or while operating his boat but would gladly have an O'douls (non alcoholic) if I had any. That meeting never happened because of the weather that day but I can assure you he was dead serious about no alcohol!

Your post is B.S. and is only here to stir the pot. Sorry, but I'm not biting. I only posted this because I know the facts not the fiction like you!

Dan

[hazelnut]

Add me to the list of people that has offered OCD a beer at my camp on Cow Island and he flat out refused stating:

"It's O'Douls for me when I'm behind the wheel of anything, There's plenty of time for a beer after the OCDACTIVE is tied up safely at my dock."

Scott is EXTREMELY sensitive to this matter and has a self enforced ZERO tolerance policy when it comes to alcohol and operation of his vessel. What a sad, sad state of affairs that these people have slumped to this level.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Add me to the list of people that has offered OCD a beer at my camp on Cow Island and he flat out refused stating:

"It's O'Douls for me when I'm behind the wheel of anything, There's plenty of time for a beer after the OCDACTIVE is tied up safely at my dock."

Scott is EXTREMELY sensitive to this matter and has a self enforced ZERO tolerance policy when it comes to alcohol and operation of his vessel. What a sad, sad state of affairs that these people have slumped to this level.

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Well Melvin, all I can say is I invited the President of SBONH over to my camp on Winni for a beer and a meet and greet last year. He informed me at that time that he never drinks anything not even one beer before or while operating his boat but would gladly have an O'douls (non alcoholic) if I had any. That meeting never happened because of the weather that day but I can assure you he was dead serious about no alcohol!

Your post is B.S. and is only here to stir the pot. Sorry, but I'm not biting. I only posted this because I know the facts not the fiction like you!

Dan

Originally Posted by VtSteve

As I recall, he's pretty famous for having O'Douls and any other non-alcoholic beverage. Whichever troll you are Melvin, you really barked up the wrong tree there. You have to be quite a person to put something like that in a paper.

And for instigators worried about who's being an adult, where are you now?

Relentless personal attacks and lies, quite a group you have there. It's enough to make anyone wonder if anything you guys say has any degree of truth to it. Amazingly weak cases when you have to resort to things like that, simply amazing.

You guys are something. Especially given the many angry diatribes from HN and VtS about peoples' dishonesty, I find this last post from Rusty especially interesting. And it sounds like OCD is on a real tear going through all these old posts. Is Tom Eaton helping? Perhaps evidence destruction hasn't been seen on this scale since Watergate.

NHRBA/Erica........gone
SBONH/OCD........going.......going........

[Dhuberty24]

Do you guys have anything better to do? Why don't you leave your real names, or name so people can go spy on you. Seriously you people need to get life.

[Yosemite Sam]

Originally Posted by Dhuberty24

Do you guys have anything better to do? Why don't you leave your real names, or name so people can go spy on you. Seriously you people need to get life.

"Seriously" Dhuberty24?......As far as I'm concerned the president of The Safe Boaters of New Hampshire (SBONH) should be squeaky clean.

I would think that you would be disgusted that all this information has been found about the leader of such an important function.

Drinking and boating do not mix and it really doesn't matter that it happened in 2006 or 2010.

[chipj29]

Hi melvin,
Just one question: Do you feel it is OK to drink alcohol (and possibly become impaired) when you are not driving?

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Hi melvin,
Just one question: Do you feel it is OK to drink alcohol (and possibly become impaired) when you are not driving?

I think Melvin was impaired when he posted!

All I can say again is..............figures!

[melvin bay]

when I logged on this am to this site I was a bit surprised to see so much xmas venom. I received a few emails since yesterday that answered some of yesterdays questions....see below. Some of the ?s were also answered in the UL article/comments yesterday.

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Same here im not going to let this stop me from enjoying the wide open brods. It felt good to get out there and see no boats in sight and double the limit lol.... Im sure if your not stupid about the places you open her up you will never get a ticket.

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well....

Loving the new boat.. It is amazing to feel how much power is left even when cruising at 60 mph
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Others which I will copy to save space:
Excursion writes on offshore only: Theres no tylenol at this party, we have a saying Cant drink all day if you dont start in the morning to which OCDACTIVE replies "Very true..I had started at noon and went to shots around 8 PM...then forgot to eat...I know better than that". R Addiction responds "I never forget to eat! Shots!!!!! Gluton for punishment! OCDACTIVE replies to this "No kidding..I have enough experience to know that as well..But you know one thing leads to another, things get a little crazy, you become forgetful...wake up on the floor in the dogs bed with a raging headache..LOL...
I assume many people will feel the same way next Sunday!"

Some of the posts in the UL indicate that these posts were edited("enhanced" as one person noted) shortly after they appeared in the UL or Conc. Monitor and that seemed to them rather spineless in that the head of SBONH needs to own up to his remarks. I have to agree. The cover up looks worse, that is editing the posts nearly a year later. Can't seem to cover up the fact that they were edited 2 days ago according to the UL posts.
I'm told that the actual copies of these offshoreonly forums will be or have been sent to some of our reps in concord. One has to thjink that reps like Packard, Boutin, Forsythe, Hikel will consider SBONH to be a political liability after seeing this and the deja vu to NHRBA will seem apparent to some.
The fact that these quotes have not been addressed by SBONH's prez (not to mention some of the responses to yesterdays post by me)makes me think that any sympathy I might have had for the group has evaporated. I have to agree that many here wouldn't recognize reasonable and prudent if it hit them over the head. As was said in the UL, mature people don't brag about their excessive alcohol intake (and moderate their alcohol intake as well). I'm not letting this group dictate to me what is appropriate behavior/laws for the lake.

[lawn psycho]

You know, I read some of these posts but stay away from the debates as it's endless and unproductive.

My boat can only do 47 MPH on a really good day over a waterfall so I'm not impacted.

However, I'd like to see these two sides have to sit across a table face to face and have these discussions. The venom spewed by both sides makes it impossible to have meaningful debate. It's gone so far beyond civil discussion that either side is willing to win at any cost.

I will also state that EVERYTHING that both sides posts on the web is fair game. That means that WinnFabs can have their feet put to the fire for misleading statements as well. Be careful what you wish for

[WeirsBeachBoater]

I have been a member of this forum for a long time. I used to post often, but now I don't. I still actively read posts, and enjoy many of the historical and informative posts. However, for years this Speed Limit Forum has poisoned this wonderful forum, it has discouraged many great forum members from being a part of winni.com. I was encouraged when this forum was shut down, and then saddened when it reappeared. Now it has become more and more disgusting. No matter what side of the issue you are on, the attacks on here are beyond the lowest level I have seen yet. Seriously, Melvin Bay, Six posts, 3 of which are nothing more than political muckraking. Before I posted today, I contacted people who know OCDACTIVE, and know of this OSO forum where these came from. I found out these quotes being used are taken out of context, and are from a Satirical conversation between two friends on a forum over a year ago. I have met OCDACTIVE on several occasions, and in no way is he the person you are trying to make him. No matter what opinion anyone has on this speed issue, this level that speed limit opponents are at is a new ALL TIME LOW. If you are that passionate about the issue, why not put your energy into something other than anonymous posting on a forum? Run for office, be the change, if that is what is important to you! That's all, down from the soapbox. Merry Christmas!

[classic22]

Originally Posted by melvin bay

when I logged on this am to this site I was a bit surprised to see so much xmas venom. I received a few emails since yesterday that answered some of yesterdays questions....see below. Some of the ?s were also answered in the UL article/comments yesterday.

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Same here im not going to let this stop me from enjoying the wide open brods. It felt good to get out there and see no boats in sight and double the limit lol.... Im sure if your not stupid about the places you open her up you will never get a ticket.

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well....

Loving the new boat.. It is amazing to feel how much power is left even when cruising at 60 mph
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Others which I will copy to save space:
Excursion writes on offshore only: Theres no tylenol at this party, we have a saying Cant drink all day if you dont start in the morning to which OCDACTIVE replies "Very true..I had started at noon and went to shots around 8 PM...then forgot to eat...I know better than that". R Addiction responds "I never forget to eat! Shots!!!!! Gluton for punishment! OCDACTIVE replies to this "No kidding..I have enough experience to know that as well..But you know one thing leads to another, things get a little crazy, you become forgetful...wake up on the floor in the dogs bed with a raging headache..LOL...
I assume many people will feel the same way next Sunday!"

Some of the posts in the UL indicate that these posts were edited("enhanced" as one person noted) shortly after they appeared in the UL or Conc. Monitor and that seemed to them rather spineless in that the head of SBONH needs to own up to his remarks. I have to agree. The cover up looks worse, that is editing the posts nearly a year later. Can't seem to cover up the fact that they were edited 2 days ago according to the UL posts.
I'm told that the actual copies of these offshoreonly forums will be or have been sent to some of our reps in concord. One has to thjink that reps like Packard, Boutin, Forsythe, Hikel will consider SBONH to be a political liability after seeing this and the deja vu to NHRBA will seem apparent to some.
The fact that these quotes have not been addressed by SBONH's prez (not to mention some of the responses to yesterdays post by me)makes me think that any sympathy I might have had for the group has evaporated. I have to agree that many here wouldn't recognize reasonable and prudent if it hit them over the head. As was said in the UL, mature people don't brag about their excessive alcohol intake (and moderate their alcohol intake as well). I'm not letting this group dictate to me what is appropriate behavior/laws for the lake.

When people cant win an arguement based on facts,they go personal in an attempt to discredit the message. The fact is the the speed limit people are running scared, and they will do anything in there attempt to derail SBONH and its inititives. Someone must have little to do to go drag up some really old posts from another web site,take them out of context, post them all over this site and others as well as in the comments section of online newspaper articles that have nothing to do with the president of SBONH. I can assure you that the president of SBONH does not drink and drive anything. PERIOD. Now if you would like to get back on track and debate facts about the lake and what is or is not a problem on the lake, we are all for it, but please leave the personal attacks at home, it just makes you look foolish.

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

All righty:

What about all the chaos in the BP area? I here it's not so safe there!

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by gtagrip

What about all the chaos in the BP area? I here it's not so safe there!

Be careful gta you're using logic. These folks want their cake AND they want to eat it too.

The Speed Limit is working but only in select areas where they want you to believe it is working. The Barbers Pole is a drag strip where cowboys drive at WOT! It's the only place on the lake where this occurs.

-------> Watch the above comment as it will be snipped and re-posted by APS as an admission by me that the BP needs a NWZ. <--------

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Be careful gta you're using logic. These folks want their cake AND they want to eat it too.

The Speed Limit is working but only in select areas where they want you to believe it is working. The Barbers Pole is a drag strip where cowboys drive at WOT! It's the only place on the lake where this occurs.

-------> Watch the above comment as it will be snipped and re-posted by APS as an admission by me that the BP needs a NWZ. <--------

Sorry, I lost my head there for a moment!

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

Be careful gta you're using logic. These folks want their cake AND they want to eat it too.

The Speed Limit is working but only in select areas where they want you to believe it is working. The Barbers Pole is a drag strip where cowboys drive at WOT! It's the only place on the lake where this occurs.

-------> Watch the above comment as it will be snipped and re-posted by APS as an admission by me that the BP needs a NWZ. <--------

A drag strip...that's a good one HN! You can re-name the Barber's Pole to: "New Hampshire Motorboat Speedway". Might as well give Loudon a run for their money.

Honestly, I think the drag strip should be relocated to Winter Harbor.