snowmobilers damage

carole · 03-04-2005, 09:28 PM

I am a bit disappointed in those snowmobilers who show little regard for the summits they ride up to. I am referring to Mt. Straightback and Mt. Major specifically. In the past I have seen tracks riding all over the vegetation on both summits and with the nice new snow I am seeing this pattern repeated. Last weekend (Sunday) someone rode all over the blueberry fields on Mt. Straightback and just today a snowmobiler left dozens of bloody tissue pieces just before the summit of Major. There were no hiker tracks. This was done by a snowmobiler. Is this really needed? It spoils it for others.

Rattlesnake Gal · 03-05-2005, 09:24 AM

This is very unfortunate and frustrating.
There are always a few that act inappropriately, leaving others to deal with their inconsiderate behavior.

Thankfully most people do not act this way!

upthesaukee · 03-05-2005, 10:46 AM

Unfortunately, the actions of a few have dramatic consequences for other snowmobilers. See this thread, in particular "Pepper's" posting in this thread:

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=1607

While Mother Nature has a way of bringing back damaged plants in spite of us (us used loosely), man-made items have to be replaced at a cost to the land owner, and that causes access to be denied to all snowmobilers, including the conscientious snowmobilers.

Trails are generally well marked, and instances such as Straightback and the Weirs access make you wonder "What part of stay on the trail don't you understand?????????".

mcdude · 03-05-2005, 11:11 AM

As someone who views Straightback from my deck and as one who hikes Straightback regularly, this is very upsetting to me. Both Straightback and Mt. Major are NOT owned by the state but are private property. Also access to Strightback from my neck of the woods is private property. Can't say as I'd blame them for cutting off this access. As usual, the actions of a few (who never stop to think how their actions might affect others) have a profound affect on others. But, does this surprise anyone? All you have to do is go out driving in your car to see people in their own world with no regard as to how their actions might adversely affect others.

mcdude · 03-05-2005, 05:26 PM

This from a very generous land-owner. We THANK you!!

"This is very interesting. Hopefully there is enough snow to protect the blueberry plants.

When we opened our property to recreational use through the state, we made it very clear that if there was any disrespect to the land we could close our property to everyone. Mt. Major did a fantastic job in making this known. We have had NO problems in 5 years. The club gave us signs that say Stay on Trail, Caution, hikers, snowshoers, skiers could be on trail. When we are hiking with the dogs off leash and hear a snowmobile coming, we make every effort to get off trail. Maybe twice a snowmobiler did not slow down at first glimpse of us. Most will stop and visit. Most belong to a club, some more than one, so they are aware of the state rules.

The big advantage is the trails are groomed, dead trees and branches removed, trail work is done off season. There are always a group that ride the trails with chain saws to make sure they are safe. This is a big bonus to those who hike and snowshoe. Skiing could still be a danger if one is not expert enough to get off the trail quickly, especially when going around curves where a snowmobiler can't see them.

I hope the people disrespecting the trail on Straightback are from away and don't come back.

If someone sees a snowmobiler off trail or doing anything disrespectful, they can take the registration number and report it to the state. But I caution everyone, the Blueberry trail has been flagged and posted, about 18 months ago, by the owner of 1500 acres that extend to Mt. Major against EVERYTHING other than foot hikers. The owner lives in PA and doesn't come up here. There was a sign on each side of the Blueberry trail at the beginning of his property. One sign has disappeared, the other is almost impossible to see unless you know where to look for it. Reporting a snowmobiler could lead to problems such as the owner enforcing his wishes.

Our property is also posted against ATV's during snow and mud season. The Boy Scout camp is posted against them all year and gates the entrances to their property. They pay no attention and make a trail around the gates. This is a very big problem and another story.

I was going to post this message for all, but my computer says there is no way I can log in. You have my permission to post it if you think it's of interest."

upthesaukee · 03-05-2005, 10:40 PM

I have emailed this thread to Mt Major Snowmobile Club. I'm sure they will not be happy to hear of the abuses of the property and may be able to put up more signs and reinforce the need to stay on the trails up there. And as one who will snowshoe on those trails around the Alton area, I say "Thank You" to the landowners first and foremost, because without their cooperation, there would be no trails, and secondly to the snowmobile clubs, in this case Mt Major, for the fine job of maintaining the trails and providing signs.

Now about those $%%%##%$ %^$%$#&s that are trying to ruin it for everyone....

webmaster · 03-05-2005, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

I have emailed this thread to Mt Major Snowmobile Club.

Sorry Up, your email was returned as undeliverable (since you sent it through the forum the failed email was returned to me). This was the message:

" ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
info@mtmajorsnowmobileclub.com
(reason: 550 Host unknown)"

carole · 03-06-2005, 06:55 AM

[QUOTE=upthesaukee] And as one who will snowshoe on those trails around the Alton area, I say "Thank You" to the landowners first and foremost, because without their cooperation, there would be no trails, and secondly to the snowmobile clubs, in this case Mt Major, for the fine job of maintaining the trails and providing signs.[QUOTE]

I would be interested in what trails on Major or Straigthback that they maintain and what signs you refer to. I have only seen a couple diamonds with trail letters ("E") in them and a couple repaired bridges (that someone tried hard to destroy).

SAMIAM · 03-06-2005, 01:04 PM

Carole....I'm getting the feeling from the tone of your posts that you are anti-snowmobile.I've never seen a snowmobiler try to deliberatly destroy a bridge.I personally,think that you've got an agenda.Next you'll tell us that they're murdering the wildlife.....dumping gas and oil on the endangered vegetation

carole · 03-06-2005, 02:30 PM

Whoa, SAMIAM!!

Where in my post did I say a snowmobiler tried to destroy a bridge?? I saw two bridges being torn up this summer/fall (never did I suggest by a snowmobiler), and I assumed the snowmobile club was the ones responsible for the repair done. I was appreciative. I asked about signs directing snowmobiles in this area because I have seen little, and have seen none saying stay on trails. When snowmobiles go down the trails that dead-end for them they need to get their machine turned around (not always easy). And when they get to summits they shouldn’t need to ride all over the place. What makes this anti-snowmobile??

upthesaukee · 03-06-2005, 10:32 PM

Webmaster...thanks for letting me know the post did not go through. I will email my neighbor, the club secretary, directly.

Carole, I have not been up on Straightback, but am talking in general terms about the Clubs. They are the ones who provide signs to landowners. there are areas that I have hiked where the signs were quite specific about staying on the trail, and the trail marked, normally with poles. evidently this is not the case on top of Straightback, and if not, then perhaps communication should be done with the club(s) to mark off these sensitive areas. When my dad was alive and he had snowmobiles, it was a real kick to ride over fresh snow, much the same as for a skier skiing in fresh powder, and yes, for a snowshoer to be the first to leave tracks. However, I do not agree with making those tracks in environmentally sensitive areas, and if they are not adequately marked up there, then perhaps they should be.

thanks for your concern, and if you have an issue with snowmobiling practices, I heartily suggest you email the local club. Mt Major club has been in existence for about 25 years, and they are extremely interested in maintaining good relationships with land owners, and protecting access.

GWC... · 03-11-2005, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcdude

Both Straightback and Mt. Major are NOT owned by the state but are private property. ...Can't say as I'd blame them for cutting off this access. As usual, the actions of a few (who never stop to think how their actions might affect others) have a profound affect on others. But, does this surprise anyone? All you have to do is go out driving in your car to see people in their own world with no regard as to how their actions might adversely affect others.

Interesting choice of wordage by the press: joy ride up Mount Major...

Wonder why the rider's name was not mentioned?

Does abandoned property on private property become the property of the landowner?

Does the landowner have salvage rights?

WeirsBeachBoater · 03-11-2005, 06:37 PM

So easy on the snowmobiler hating.....

GWC... · 03-11-2005, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeirsBeachBoater

So easy on the snowmobiler hating.....

Been to the summit of Mount Major numerous times via snowmobile and never had to hike down.

In fact, been all over the Lake and “surrounding hills” and never had to hike home.

And I’m just the average snowmobiler…

Say, DRH, did you have to hike home from Pine Island, today?

Didn't think so.

See, we're the norm...

So, what does that make the Mount Major joy rider?

shania · 03-12-2005, 06:05 AM

As a snowmobiler myself we have to remember that taking a joyride up MT.Major might have been a responsible person,weather conditions can play a major part in getting stuck and or disorientated.Yes there are some ya hoos out there but I have to say there are alot of snow drifts and white out conditions this past weekend.Why can't we be glad that he made it down safely and no rescue workers had to be called out.

GWC... · 03-12-2005, 06:01 PM

Why, why, why do some just have to solo?

Do they not remember the buddy system when swimming and especially diving?

A different season should not mean different safety rules.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shania

Why can't we be glad that he made it down safely and no rescue workers had to be called out.

We can be and are glad that both made it to safety.

My problem is, why should we have to glad in the first place? These solo incidents, after the fact (got stuck/accident), should never have happened. There should have been another snowmobiler present, in both situations, to offer immediate assistance.

Paugus Bay Resident · 03-12-2005, 08:28 PM

GWC,

Couldn't agree with you more. I've been sledding around here for a number of years and would never go riding alone. Just my HO.

Lakegeezer · 03-13-2005, 04:55 PM

I always sled with my friend, Verizon...

03-04-2005, 09:28 PM	#1
carole Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	snowmobilers damage I am a bit disappointed in those snowmobilers who show little regard for the summits they ride up to. I am referring to Mt. Straightback and Mt. Major specifically. In the past I have seen tracks riding all over the vegetation on both summits and with the nice new snow I am seeing this pattern repeated. Last weekend (Sunday) someone rode all over the blueberry fields on Mt. Straightback and just today a snowmobiler left dozens of bloody tissue pieces just before the summit of Major. There were no hiker tracks. This was done by a snowmobiler. Is this really needed? It spoils it for others.

03-05-2005, 09:24 AM	#2
Rattlesnake Gal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Central NH Posts: 5,252 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,451 Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts	That Stinks! This is very unfortunate and frustrating. There are always a few that act inappropriately, leaving others to deal with their inconsiderate behavior. Thankfully most people do not act this way!

03-05-2005, 10:46 AM	#3
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,599 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,458 Thanked 1,981 Times in 1,082 Posts	Unfortunately, the actions of a few have dramatic consequences for other snowmobilers. See this thread, in particular "Pepper's" posting in this thread: http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=1607 While Mother Nature has a way of bringing back damaged plants in spite of us (us used loosely), man-made items have to be replaced at a cost to the land owner, and that causes access to be denied to all snowmobilers, including the conscientious snowmobilers. Trails are generally well marked, and instances such as Straightback and the Weirs access make you wonder "What part of stay on the trail don't you understand?????????". __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-05-2005, 11:11 AM	#4
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	As someone who views Straightback from my deck and as one who hikes Straightback regularly, this is very upsetting to me. Both Straightback and Mt. Major are NOT owned by the state but are private property. Also access to Strightback from my neck of the woods is private property. Can't say as I'd blame them for cutting off this access. As usual, the actions of a few (who never stop to think how their actions might affect others) have a profound affect on others. But, does this surprise anyone? All you have to do is go out driving in your car to see people in their own world with no regard as to how their actions might adversely affect others. Last edited by mcdude; 03-05-2005 at 08:28 PM.

03-05-2005, 05:26 PM	#5
mcdude Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rock Haven Lake - West Newfield, ME Posts: 5,367 Thanks: 374 Thanked 1,057 Times in 495 Posts	This from a very generous land-owner. We THANK you!! "This is very interesting. Hopefully there is enough snow to protect the blueberry plants. When we opened our property to recreational use through the state, we made it very clear that if there was any disrespect to the land we could close our property to everyone. Mt. Major did a fantastic job in making this known. We have had NO problems in 5 years. The club gave us signs that say Stay on Trail, Caution, hikers, snowshoers, skiers could be on trail. When we are hiking with the dogs off leash and hear a snowmobile coming, we make every effort to get off trail. Maybe twice a snowmobiler did not slow down at first glimpse of us. Most will stop and visit. Most belong to a club, some more than one, so they are aware of the state rules. The big advantage is the trails are groomed, dead trees and branches removed, trail work is done off season. There are always a group that ride the trails with chain saws to make sure they are safe. This is a big bonus to those who hike and snowshoe. Skiing could still be a danger if one is not expert enough to get off the trail quickly, especially when going around curves where a snowmobiler can't see them. I hope the people disrespecting the trail on Straightback are from away and don't come back. If someone sees a snowmobiler off trail or doing anything disrespectful, they can take the registration number and report it to the state. But I caution everyone, the Blueberry trail has been flagged and posted, about 18 months ago, by the owner of 1500 acres that extend to Mt. Major against EVERYTHING other than foot hikers. The owner lives in PA and doesn't come up here. There was a sign on each side of the Blueberry trail at the beginning of his property. One sign has disappeared, the other is almost impossible to see unless you know where to look for it. Reporting a snowmobiler could lead to problems such as the owner enforcing his wishes. Our property is also posted against ATV's during snow and mud season. The Boy Scout camp is posted against them all year and gates the entrances to their property. They pay no attention and make a trail around the gates. This is a very big problem and another story. I was going to post this message for all, but my computer says there is no way I can log in. You have my permission to post it if you think it's of interest." __________________

03-05-2005, 10:40 PM	#6
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,599 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,458 Thanked 1,981 Times in 1,082 Posts	I have emailed this thread to Mt Major Snowmobile Club. I'm sure they will not be happy to hear of the abuses of the property and may be able to put up more signs and reinforce the need to stay on the trails up there. And as one who will snowshoe on those trails around the Alton area, I say "Thank You" to the landowners first and foremost, because without their cooperation, there would be no trails, and secondly to the snowmobile clubs, in this case Mt Major, for the fine job of maintaining the trails and providing signs. Now about those $%%%##%$ %^$%$#&s that are trying to ruin it for everyone.... __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-06-2005, 06:55 AM	#8
carole Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	[QUOTE=upthesaukee] And as one who will snowshoe on those trails around the Alton area, I say "Thank You" to the landowners first and foremost, because without their cooperation, there would be no trails, and secondly to the snowmobile clubs, in this case Mt Major, for the fine job of maintaining the trails and providing signs.[QUOTE] I would be interested in what trails on Major or Straigthback that they maintain and what signs you refer to. I have only seen a couple diamonds with trail letters ("E") in them and a couple repaired bridges (that someone tried hard to destroy).

03-06-2005, 01:04 PM	#9
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,896 Thanks: 334 Thanked 1,676 Times in 586 Posts	Carole....I'm getting the feeling from the tone of your posts that you are anti-snowmobile.I've never seen a snowmobiler try to deliberatly destroy a bridge.I personally,think that you've got an agenda.Next you'll tell us that they're murdering the wildlife.....dumping gas and oil on the endangered vegetation

03-06-2005, 02:30 PM	#10
carole Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Agenda?? Whoa, SAMIAM!! Where in my post did I say a snowmobiler tried to destroy a bridge?? I saw two bridges being torn up this summer/fall (never did I suggest by a snowmobiler), and I assumed the snowmobile club was the ones responsible for the repair done. I was appreciative. I asked about signs directing snowmobiles in this area because I have seen little, and have seen none saying stay on trails. When snowmobiles go down the trails that dead-end for them they need to get their machine turned around (not always easy). And when they get to summits they shouldn’t need to ride all over the place. What makes this anti-snowmobile??

03-06-2005, 10:32 PM	#11
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,599 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,458 Thanked 1,981 Times in 1,082 Posts	Webmaster...thanks for letting me know the post did not go through. I will email my neighbor, the club secretary, directly. Carole, I have not been up on Straightback, but am talking in general terms about the Clubs. They are the ones who provide signs to landowners. there are areas that I have hiked where the signs were quite specific about staying on the trail, and the trail marked, normally with poles. evidently this is not the case on top of Straightback, and if not, then perhaps communication should be done with the club(s) to mark off these sensitive areas. When my dad was alive and he had snowmobiles, it was a real kick to ride over fresh snow, much the same as for a skier skiing in fresh powder, and yes, for a snowshoer to be the first to leave tracks. However, I do not agree with making those tracks in environmentally sensitive areas, and if they are not adequately marked up there, then perhaps they should be. thanks for your concern, and if you have an issue with snowmobiling practices, I heartily suggest you email the local club. Mt Major club has been in existence for about 25 years, and they are extremely interested in maintaining good relationships with land owners, and protecting access. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-11-2005, 06:37 PM	#13
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	There are legitimate trails on Mt Major So easy on the snowmobiler hating.....

03-12-2005, 06:05 AM	#15
shania Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	snowmobile damage As a snowmobiler myself we have to remember that taking a joyride up MT.Major might have been a responsible person,weather conditions can play a major part in getting stuck and or disorientated.Yes there are some ya hoos out there but I have to say there are alot of snow drifts and white out conditions this past weekend.Why can't we be glad that he made it down safely and no rescue workers had to be called out.

03-12-2005, 08:28 PM	#17
Paugus Bay Resident Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Gilmanton, NH Posts: 754 Thanks: 136 Thanked 93 Times in 51 Posts	GWC, Couldn't agree with you more. I've been sledding around here for a number of years and would never go riding alone. Just my HO.

03-13-2005, 04:55 PM	#18
Lakegeezer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 1,678 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 354 Thanked 639 Times in 290 Posts	Never alone I always sled with my friend, Verizon... __________________ -lg