Registration Increase?? What the He double hockey sticks!

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I love hearing these arguments. The state spending is what it is. The problem in NH, is not that the state spending is out of control, anymore then anyother state. The problem is that unlike other states, NH has limited where it can take money from. So while other states raise money through sales tax and Income Tax, thus keeping property taxes in check. NH has decided to do a majority of it funding through Property Tax and assesing use fees... yes registering your boat is nothing more then a use fee.

Now because of this things like boat registrations are going to go up so that the MP can be funded. I am not surprised by this and no else should be either. The only thing I want to know is that the Money I put towards my boat does indeed go towards the MP, state access to public bodies of water etc. And doesn't end up in the general fund, with out strings attached. As long as the Money is going where it should I have not problem with the cost of registraring my boat going up.

People run scared of Income and Sales tax, because they don't take the time to understand how it would change the burden. Now I am not saying the property tax is ever going to go back down it will not. However if NH doesn't want to see property tax increases any more, of use fees continue to rise. Then the people of NH, better dam well start learning more, and educating themselve so that they understand the financial burdens of the state aren't going anywhere... However they can help shift the burden from a few select area's to others.

I have often said, a simple 1 % sales tax in NH would lead to an enourmous income for the state. And if it was implimented with controls, would solve most of the states budgetary short falls.

You are dreaming if you think it will stay at 1%. As a previous NH resident who now lives in Maine, trust me when I say to stay away from the income and sales taxes. RUN!!!

I pay high property taxes in Maine. Even still, if you doubled my property taxes and took away the sales and income taxes I would be thousands of dollars farther ahead.

Maine has every tax under the sun and still has huge shortfalls.

Do not fall for the income and sales tax trap. You will regret it. I can't wait for the day to return as a NH resident.

[tis]

Originally Posted by lawn psycho

You are dreaming if you think it will stay at 1%. As a previous NH resident who now lives in Maine, trust me when I say to stay away from the income and sales taxes. RUN!!!

I pay high property taxes in Maine. Even still, if you doubled my property taxes and took away the sales and income taxes I would be thousands of dollars farther ahead.

Maine has every tax under the sun and still has huge shortfalls.

Do not fall for the income and sales tax trap. You will regret it. I can't wait for the day to return as a NH resident.

Absolutely, you are so right! LIF is a dreamer to think that. We HAVE taken the time to understand. As you said, look at Maine, and as Pineneedles said, look at Conn. I remember when Conn. put in that sales tax, it was going to solve all their problems. Right.
As far as I am concerned cut MP, cut lots of spending. It won't bother me one single bit.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by tis

Absolutely, you are so right! LIF is a dreamer to think that. We HAVE taken the time to understand. As you said, look at Maine, and as Pineneedles said, look at Conn. I remember when Conn. put in that sales tax, it was going to solve all their problems. Right.
As far as I am concerned cut MP, cut lots of spending. It won't bother me one single bit.

Now this is interesting..... TIS, do you realize that if they cut the MP, then there would be no policing on the lakes. The noise laws, hell even what ever they do for the speed limit law would be all for not. If people think the lake is bad now, with out the MP it would be every boater for themselves.

Now what spending would you like to see cut.....

Let see how about the State Police???
or how about the highway dept...... what is going ot happen when it snows

alright so cutting those things may be extreme but they are cuts right.

Now don't get me wrong, any government has room to cut. But it isn't as easy as everyone wants it to be.

Now as for those that think they are better of with out Income or Sales Tax, let me say this. At this point, you may definately be better of with just the property tax. But there is a threshold.... and eventually the Property tax will get to be to much. When you average person can no longer afford to live in NH, then what? Remember Income and Sales tax is based upon someone income level... the more you want the more you make the more you pay.... Property Tax on the other hand is what it is..... if you are an average individual or a multi-millionare, the particular piece of property is taxed the same. The Rich guy may be able to afford it but the average Joe can't..... So what happens to the state when property taxes are so high that an average Joe can't afford to own property???????? That is where NH is headed.... they will be the first state to find that out.......

Remember this, no matter what the money is going to be raised.... either give the legislature other arena's to spread the burden too, or don't complain, when it is 200$ to registrar your boat, or 1000$ to registrar your car, or you are having to sell you family home because the property taxes are to much.

As for lawn physco comment, I really doubt you would be better off, pay double the property tax.... remember you don't just pay state income Tax, there is federal income tax..... I have done the calculations for myself here in Massachusetts...... it is all a mute point.... you really just still pay the same amount to the state.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Now this is interesting..... TIS, do you realize that if they cut the MP, then there would be no policing on the lakes. The noise laws, hell even what ever they do for the speed limit law would be all for not. If people think the lake is bad now, with out the MP it would be every boater for themselves.

Now what spending would you like to see cut.....

Let see how about the State Police???
or how about the highway dept...... what is going ot happen when it snows

alright so cutting those things may be extreme but they are cuts right.

Now don't get me wrong, any government has room to cut. But it isn't as easy as everyone wants it to be.

Now as for those that think they are better of with out Income or Sales Tax, let me say this. At this point, you may definately be better of with just the property tax. But there is a threshold.... and eventually the Property tax will get to be to much. When you average person can no longer afford to live in NH, then what? Remember Income and Sales tax is based upon someone income level... the more you want the more you make the more you pay.... Property Tax on the other hand is what it is..... if you are an average individual or a multi-millionare, the particular piece of property is taxed the same. The Rich guy may be able to afford it but the average Joe can't..... So what happens to the state when property taxes are so high that an average Joe can't afford to own property???????? That is where NH is headed.... they will be the first state to find that out.......

Remember this, no matter what the money is going to be raised.... either give the legislature other arena's to spread the burden too, or don't complain, when it is 200$ to registrar your boat, or 1000$ to registrar your car, or you are having to sell you family home because the property taxes are to much.

As for lawn physco comment, I really doubt you would be better off, pay double the property tax.... remember you don't just pay state income Tax, there is federal income tax..... I have done the calculations for myself here in Massachusetts...... it is all a mute point.... you really just still pay the same amount to the state.

Are you a local politician? (serious question)

As far as the math, it's quite simple. I get hammered with proprty taxes and yet Maine still has sales and income taxes. More taxes added to the collection stream are not the answer.
I have a family member who does taxes professionally and every spring this same topic comes up when he does ours. I would be about $6k further in the black if my family moved back to NH, living in a omparable town and home.

As far as it being a wash, no way. Again, double my property taxes and and get rid of the sales and income tax and I'm way ahead. Maine deductions do not follow the Federal return in several area. Hence you can have a sizeable Federal return and owe on the state return. Been there, done that.

[tis]

The government was created to take care of our infrastructure and defend our country. When it became our nanny, taking care of all of us, is when we went out of control. And they really don't give a damn about us, they just want votes. They want us to be dependent on the government just like we are! I believe anything they cut would be taken up by the private sector. After all there are tons of programs that overlap and are unnecessary, unless of course it is your favorite little baby. That is the problem people want their own favorite little thing. Of course it is easy for me to say, because I am the PAYER, not the receiver.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Now this is interesting..... TIS, do you realize that if they cut the MP, then there would be no policing on the lakes. The noise laws, hell even what ever they do for the speed limit law would be all for not. If people think the lake is bad now, with out the MP it would be every boater for themselves.

Now what spending would you like to see cut.....

Let see how about the State Police???
or how about the highway dept...... what is going ot happen when it snows

alright so cutting those things may be extreme but they are cuts right.

Now don't get me wrong, any government has room to cut. But it isn't as easy as everyone wants it to be.

Now as for those that think they are better of with out Income or Sales Tax, let me say this. At this point, you may definately be better of with just the property tax. But there is a threshold.... and eventually the Property tax will get to be to much. When you average person can no longer afford to live in NH, then what? Remember Income and Sales tax is based upon someone income level... the more you want the more you make the more you pay.... Property Tax on the other hand is what it is..... if you are an average individual or a multi-millionare, the particular piece of property is taxed the same. The Rich guy may be able to afford it but the average Joe can't..... So what happens to the state when property taxes are so high that an average Joe can't afford to own property???????? That is where NH is headed.... they will be the first state to find that out.......

Remember this, no matter what the money is going to be raised.... either give the legislature other arena's to spread the burden too, or don't complain, when it is 200$ to registrar your boat, or 1000$ to registrar your car, or you are having to sell you family home because the property taxes are to much.

As for lawn physco comment, I really doubt you would be better off, pay double the property tax.... remember you don't just pay state income Tax, there is federal income tax..... I have done the calculations for myself here in Massachusetts...... it is all a mute point.... you really just still pay the same amount to the state.

Forgot to mention, even with the sales and income taxes, the Maine vehicle excise tax is higher than NH. I pray that NH never falls for the income and sales tax trap.

[AC2717]

Talk about getting my thread Hy-Jacked

[robmac]

I remember way back when I lived in MA. The cry came out for a temporary tax increase,well it never to this day has gone down. If my company spends to much money,well I take it on the chin. Isn't that a BUDGET?? You spend to much look at areas to purchase and spend better on services. I haven't had a raise in 5 years and I still make ends meet,it's not rocket science give them another revenue source and it'll be gone before it's collected.

[NoRegrets]

Every penny the governmeent spends means a tax or fee that needs to be collected from the population. Currently in Washington they have evolved to our current situation where every dollar they spend includes 43 cents that they borrowed. This is an extreme preversion of a process. NH is nowhere near that level of incompetance. IFALLOWED - give the state government more money and it may create a rush to spending caused by well meaning politicians that will get us into the same budget crisis as Calif, Conn, Mass, NJ, NY, Minn, etc.
Saying no to big government and new taxes is the only sure fire way to keep the budget in check.