What Speed Limit ????????

Airwaves · 11-18-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elchase

People who kill themselves by their stupid decisions might deserve what they get. But those of us who chose a slower more careful lifestyle don't deserve to be put at risk because of some cowboy's "need for speed".

So now it seems that only what you call "high speed boats" are the cause of fatalities and accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee and completely discount and ignore the truth of the matter which is that the deaths were in a SLOW boat NOT INVOLVING A COLLISION. As is the case in MOST of the accidents in NH!

How is it that when opponents to this unnecessary "Feel good" law look over your posts and out-of-state and out-of-country links, and point out that in those cases the overriding cause was a drunk boater you say pooh pooh, they were going too fast period, but now when there were boating fatalities on Lake Winnipesaukee NOT INVOLVING SPEED AT ALL! They are dismissed by you as people who are stupid and kill themselves while putting the lives of their would be rescuers in danger is no problem, heh?

As opponents have been pointing out time and time again. Safety is not the issue, the issue is getting a type of boat that a vocal minority objects to, off the lake under the false pretense of safety!

OCDACTIVE · 11-18-2009, 03:51 PM

airwaves.. You know you can't win.. Just propaganda that has no basis or facts for their arguement.

For example it has been stated that people feel that the lake is safer and that there is less traffic on the lake this year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduct that this is due to the weather and the economy. In every local paper it has stated the entire lakes region tourism has taken a hit. Obviously this will have an effect on boat traffic.. Not due to enacting one feel good law.

looking forward to Jan 2nd!

Airwaves · 11-18-2009, 04:34 PM

To tell you the truth when I respond to elchase or APS or others it's not an attempt on my part to convert their way of thinking. That is not going to happen.

I just don't want their outragous claims and outright lies to go unanswered because as everyone who posts to this forum knows, legislators do read it.

I also don't like the Supporters/Opponents thread for that same reason. Lies and fabrications can go unchallenged since no one is allowed to cross over and post to clarify or challenge statements.

Case in point APS' latest picture posting on the Supporters thread. That was dug up from debates in the past and it was pointed out by many that the photos were misleading at best since they have no frame of referance and his posting about a tent camp was designed only to fear monger, no tents or camps in any of the photos I might add. I did challenge him about this on that thread but it was deleted because I am an opponent to this unnecessary feel good law.

Same thing with Elchase. He links to out-of-state and out-of-country accidents and implies they are all speed releated, ignoring critical facts one of the biggest being that on LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE there are different laws that are protecting us such as MANDATORY BOATER EDUCATION and SAFE PASSAGE.

In addition he discounts the fatalities on Lake Winnipesaukee in 2009 as idiots because they did not involve speed so the lives lost don't count!!!

Lawmakers in Concord need to know the facts, not the exagerations and lies being presented by Elchase and APS!

So no, I am not looking to win an argument with either, but I am hoping to show a legislator or two that if they want to look into their statements they will find that they are being made chumps of!!!

hazelnut · 11-18-2009, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airwaves

...He links to out-of-state and out-of-country accidents and implies they are all speed releated, ignoring critical facts one of the biggest being that on LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE there are different laws that are protecting us such as MANDATORY BOATER EDUCATION and SAFE PASSAGE...

Ya know I just HAD to repost this statement. If ever there were a more succinct statement to prove just how ludicrous the flood of posts has been by one certain member of this forum here it is. He has absolutely no regard for facts whatsoever. The posts are a perfect example for proving our point of fear mongering by the supporters. Any time anyone on here presents facts we get these random posts about accidents in Guam, China, Hoboken and god knows where. It is actually comical and I have been laughing but at the same time worried that legislators might actually use this stuff as ammo to support the law. I would like to think they were more intelligent than that but... I don't know. The numbers overwhelmingly support the case for no SL but why should that matter to anyone?

OCDACTIVE · 11-18-2009, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hazelnut

Ya know I just HAD to repost this statement. If ever there were a more succinct statement to prove just how ludicrous the flood of posts has been by one certain member of this forum here it is. He has absolutely no regard for facts whatsoever. The posts are a perfect example for proving our point of fear mongering by the supporters. Any time anyone on here presents facts we get these random posts about accidents in Guam, China, Hoboken and god knows where. It is actually comical and I have been laughing but at the same time worried that legislators might actually use this stuff as ammo to support the law. I would like to think they were more intelligent than that but... I don't know. The numbers overwhelmingly support the case for no SL but why should that matter to anyone?

Very true Hazel. And let me be so bold and take it one further. These same individual(s) have not hid the fact that their ultimate goal is to ban a specific type of boat and are using the Legislatures ignorance of the lake to pass these feel good laws. They try to use past accidents where Speed had nothing to do with the cause of the accidents. They manipulate the situation to try to link the accidents to speed because of who the person was driving or the type of boat it was, when in each situation SPEED WAS NOT A FACTOR.
Ok I'm off my soapbox. These arguements have been made before but I hope this time the legislators are listening!
Enforcement and Education is the answer

Rattlesnake Guy · 11-18-2009, 07:09 PM

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A unit of time equal to one millionth (10^-6) of a second.

1,500,000 microseconds sounds like a long time...

Only 18,100,000,000,000 microseconds until iceout.

11-18-2009, 03:51 PM	#2
OCDACTIVE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Fort Myers FL / Moultonboro Posts: 1,045 Thanks: 444 Thanked 574 Times in 178 Posts	airwaves.. You know you can't win.. Just propaganda that has no basis or facts for their arguement. For example it has been stated that people feel that the lake is safer and that there is less traffic on the lake this year. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to deduct that this is due to the weather and the economy. In every local paper it has stated the entire lakes region tourism has taken a hit. Obviously this will have an effect on boat traffic.. Not due to enacting one feel good law. looking forward to Jan 2nd! __________________ Have you had your Vessel Inspected Yet?

11-18-2009, 04:34 PM	#3
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	It's not for Elchases benefit! To tell you the truth when I respond to elchase or APS or others it's not an attempt on my part to convert their way of thinking. That is not going to happen. I just don't want their outragous claims and outright lies to go unanswered because as everyone who posts to this forum knows, legislators do read it. I also don't like the Supporters/Opponents thread for that same reason. Lies and fabrications can go unchallenged since no one is allowed to cross over and post to clarify or challenge statements. Case in point APS' latest picture posting on the Supporters thread. That was dug up from debates in the past and it was pointed out by many that the photos were misleading at best since they have no frame of referance and his posting about a tent camp was designed only to fear monger, no tents or camps in any of the photos I might add. I did challenge him about this on that thread but it was deleted because I am an opponent to this unnecessary feel good law. Same thing with Elchase. He links to out-of-state and out-of-country accidents and implies they are all speed releated, ignoring critical facts one of the biggest being that on LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE there are different laws that are protecting us such as MANDATORY BOATER EDUCATION and SAFE PASSAGE. In addition he discounts the fatalities on Lake Winnipesaukee in 2009 as idiots because they did not involve speed so the lives lost don't count!!! Lawmakers in Concord need to know the facts, not the exagerations and lies being presented by Elchase and APS! So no, I am not looking to win an argument with either, but I am hoping to show a legislator or two that if they want to look into their statements they will find that they are being made chumps of!!!

11-18-2009, 07:09 PM	#6
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	microsecond(mkr-sknd) A unit of time equal to one millionth (10^-6) of a second. 1,500,000 microseconds sounds like a long time... Only 18,100,000,000,000 microseconds until iceout.

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