new boat.. see you out there!

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Sir, your age has nothing to do with maturity. Frankly, your recent posts have been immature

Yosemite Sam,
Please don't get discouraged or scared away. Consider the source when you read criticism on these Anti Speed Limit threads. This is a very small cult of cowboys who think that boats should be able to go as fast as the driver wants on a crowded lake, any time he wants, day or night. They let their 6 year old kids pilot their 5-ton speed boats. They somehow contend that as long as they are drunk, it is ok to go really fast. They call run-abouts and canoes "speed bumps". They say smaller boats should be limited to "safer" lakes. They brag about their law-breaking escapades and give each other virtual high fives. They send PM's to inform you of the time they have spent in jail, and use screen names that tell you of their gun caliber preferences and social diseases. The word "maturity" has a whole different meaning to this small little gang. They dominate these threads because it is the only place where they fit in and appear normal. It is the only place that gives forum to law breakers and allows them to boast unlimited of their crimes, while limiting participation by the mainstream.
Your views are spot-on. Keep them coming.

And when you have some time, have a look on the internet and you will see what happens on lakes where the citizens have not organized to take back control. Simple searches reveal thousands of cases where boats like these, driven by cowboys like these, have killed people like you and me. Innocent boaters and bystanders, sometimes while asleep in their waterfront homes, are being killed all over the country and world by boaters like these with the "need for speed" who insist on showing off in their "look at me" boats driving at "look how fast I can go" speeds. Take comfort in the fact that Winnipesaukee used to have fatal accidents like these until we enacted a speed limit, and that our legislature (as much as I cringe at the other things that they have been doing) is not going to repeal a law that has worked so well.

Here are examples of what was and would again be happening on Winnipesaukee if we eliminated the Speed limit;
These two accidents in NY sound identical, except that
3 died in this one;
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...tagh-1.1500143
and ONLY one died in this one;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/o...Zdass6c9YR4HMO

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by elchase

Take comfort in the fact that Winnipesaukee used to have fatal accidents like these until we enacted a speed limit, and that our legislature (as much as I cringe at the other things that they have been doing) is not going to repeal a law that has worked so well.

Really? How many accidents that involved speed in excess of 45/25 were there on Lake Winni in the past 10 years? Please be specific and cite each one, with the specific cause.

[Turtle Boy]

A couple of EL's points deserve emphasis. People from out of state sometimes comment to me when they hear of my Winni location about Winni's out of control reputation; it's something I've been trying to ignore for 2 decades now. I agree with EL on the safety issue too...and his links have shown speed is a problem needing to be addressed, both on Winni and elsewhere. I need to add that in addition to safety,there is the issue (as many have pointed out) of speed, noise, and the overall boating experience on the lake. We can't go back to the 1960's...there are just too many boats and the superfast boats on the lake in the 60's were few and far between. Tho only logical solution is a SL and so far it seems to be working. Most of the worst offenders call attention to themselves with major noise. Noise legislation hasn't worked, will not work (even with switchable exhaust) and the noise from these boats is just too loud for most people anyway.
We've heard from a few members about their sense from talking to others that no one (practically) supports the SL. As was mentioned earlier in one of the threads, this seems unusual given the number of people involved in the speed limit movement, people we talk to around the lake, the many organizations that supported Winnfabs and the SL as well as the many businesses that support the SL. I suppose those very vocal people on the forum who said they would never ever again support these businesses are frequenting those that were against limits and are therefore hearing the things they want and expect to hear. Clearly if I went to Murphy's Bar and asked people their opinions on alcohol in America the results would differ significantly from those I'd hear at an AA meeting.
I find it ironic too that the face of the NHRBA will be frequently on the front page in a couple of months when the Sl debate is coming more and more into the headlines as well.
Another good point is the attempted marginalization by the Sl opposition of smaller craft/kayaks/etc. and that some of these people are "stupid" if they would venture into the broads in such a craft. I know of many skilled kayakers who have sea kayaks and are capable of handling more than the broads can offer. To suggest that these craft need to "stay close to shore" is just a self serving example of the smoke and mirrors used by those who want no limits. As EL said a while back "wild horses don't like to be corralled".
I applaud the efforts of NH citizens to take back the lake for a more equitable use for all and also feel it is unlikely that the state legislature will cause a reversal of the gains achieved for the lake, and 45/25 is a good compromise.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

A couple of EL's points deserve emphasis. People from out of state sometimes comment to me when they hear of my Winni location about Winni's out of control reputation; it's something I've been trying to ignore for 2 decades now. I agree with EL on the safety issue too...and his links have shown speed is a problem needing to be addressed, both on Winni and elsewhere. I need to add that in addition to safety,there is the issue (as many have pointed out) of speed, noise, and the overall boating experience on the lake. We can't go back to the 1960's...there are just too many boats and the superfast boats on the lake in the 60's were few and far between. Tho only logical solution is a SL and so far it seems to be working. Most of the worst offenders call attention to themselves with major noise. Noise legislation hasn't worked, will not work (even with switchable exhaust) and the noise from these boats is just too loud for most people anyway.
We've heard from a few members about their sense from talking to others that no one (practically) supports the SL. As was mentioned earlier in one of the threads, this seems unusual given the number of people involved in the speed limit movement, people we talk to around the lake, the many organizations that supported Winnfabs and the SL as well as the many businesses that support the SL. I suppose those very vocal people on the forum who said they would never ever again support these businesses are frequenting those that were against limits and are therefore hearing the things they want and expect to hear. Clearly if I went to Murphy's Bar and asked people their opinions on alcohol in America the results would differ significantly from those I'd hear at an AA meeting.
I find it ironic too that the face of the NHRBA will be frequently on the front page in a couple of months when the Sl debate is coming more and more into the headlines as well.
Another good point is the attempted marginalization by the Sl opposition of smaller craft/kayaks/etc. and that some of these people are "stupid" if they would venture into the broads in such a craft. I know of many skilled kayakers who have sea kayaks and are capable of handling more than the broads can offer. To suggest that these craft need to "stay close to shore" is just a self serving example of the smoke and mirrors used by those who want no limits. As EL said a while back "wild horses don't like to be corralled".
I applaud the efforts of NH citizens to take back the lake for a more equitable use for all and also feel it is unlikely that the state legislature will cause a reversal of the gains achieved for the lake, and 45/25 is a good compromise.

You know TB, I don't agree with many of your posts. But I have to say that this is an excellent post. It clearly states your position, and why you feel that way. Kudos to you. Although I completely disagree with your position, I still respect it.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by chipj29

You know TB, I don't agree with many of your posts. But I have to say that this is an excellent post. It clearly states your position, and why you feel that way. Kudos to you. Although I completely disagree with your position, I still respect it.

I completely agree.. just don't know what it has to do with my head gasket.. LOL

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Another good point is the attempted marginalization by the Sl opposition of smaller craft/kayaks/etc. and that some of these people are "stupid" if they would venture into the broads in such a craft. I know of many skilled kayakers who have sea kayaks and are capable of handling more than the broads can offer. To suggest that these craft need to "stay close to shore" is just a self serving example of the smoke and mirrors used by those who want no limits.

Don't get me going about kayakers/canoes and sunfishes on the Broads. I have lived on the Broads most of my life. In the past decade I have seen too many of these small crafts get in trouble along the Gilford shore. Especially when the wind is from the North.

As a good Samaritan, I would venture out and rescue these hapless folks. Only because I have a 'performance' boat capable enough to tackle the weather. Even the MP have trouble rescuing. if I call them, it takes a while for them to get there. I can imagine how many people would have drowned if my boat was 'outlawed' from the lake. I had many people thanks their lucky stars that there was a boat capable of fighting the weather.

[DEJ]

There is only one group of people IMHO that is blowing smoke regarding the speed limit and that is winnfabs and their supporters. Perhaps that is why your head gasket blew. LOL.

[Turtle Boy]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Don't get me going about kayakers/canoes and sunfishes on the Broads. I have lived on the Broads most of my life. In the past decade I have seen too many of these small crafts get in trouble along the Gilford shore. Especially when the wind is from the North.

As a good Samaritan, I would venture out and rescue these hapless folks. Only because I have a 'performance' boat capable enough to tackle the weather. Even the MP have trouble rescuing. if I call them, it takes a while for them to get there. I can imagine how many people would have drowned if my boat was 'outlawed' from the lake. I had many people thanks their lucky stars that there was a boat capable of fighting the weather.

Agreed, and there will of course be those who don't belong on the broads who do get in trouble, just like there are GFBL's who take different unnecessary risks. My point is that there are those who are capable (the sea kayakers for example) of handling the broads. I am seriously glad you are willing and able to do the occasional rescue, especially at 45 MPH or under.

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

Agreed, and there will of course be those who don't belong on the broads who do get in trouble, just like there are GFBL's who take different unnecessary risks. My point is that there are those who are capable (the sea kayakers for example) of handling the broads. I am seriously glad you are willing and able to do the occasional rescue, especially at 45 MPH or under.

Then we should attach to the speed limit law a ruling that only ocean type kayaks are allowed on the Broads. No canoes and sunfishes. Because my boat won't be around to rescue them. If this law is about safety, it is the least we should do. A great compromise!

[DoTheMath]

Just a thought but - kayaks in the broads go beyond the operators or vessels capabilities. Most days it's rough enough out there where a kayak - that sits maybe a foot off the water? - becomes hard to see. As the waves generate "peaks and valleys" (or troughs) the kayak will be in and out of view on a repeated basis. I have never looked at the position of the kayak and paddler as not "belonging" in the broads, so much as it may not the best choice from a safety standpoint? I happen to thoroughly enjoy kayaking and exploring all the places you can't go in a big boat. I consider myself very capable in such a vessel, I have kayaked all over the western hemisphere, fresh and salt water in the US, Mexico, Caribbean, etc... I never really considered putting myself out into open water in these cases, not for fear of anything other than not being visible enough to a larger boat. All boats have conditions that they are suited (designed and built) for, and ones that the operator knows they are pushing the limit, and beyond. I've been there - as a kid, took a 13' Whaler out many a times in water that was beyond what Whaler had in mind I'm sure, but I loved it - and survived just fine. However, I never ventured into the broads on a windy day with it... just didn't seem smart. I pushed the limits of that boat, but never to the point that I felt there could be catastrophic results.

Point is - forget what the boat and operator is capable of, are the conditions and prevailing circumstances conducive to being there? Could the factors that are out of your control have a negative effect on your actions? Example - you read about people going out in a paddle boat or canoe at night, no lights, etc... and they are thinking... well, not sure WHAT they are thinking, but they do it. Now, along comes Joe Q Boater, driving his 22' bowrider, family on board, lights on and doing 24 mph. It is a clear night, he is sober, experienced and 100% within the letter of the law from an operators standpoint. He sees nothing in front of him from an illuminated standpoint, and looks at his wife for 2 seconds to comment on how beautiful of a night it is. Meanwhile, said unlit vessel is crossing between Meredith Neck and Bear Isl, and in those two seconds, tragedy - he hits the canoe, paddle boat, whatever - and say kills one or both of the two occupants. How incredibly awful would you think that operator would feel for the rest of his life about that incident!? It would haunt him forever, and there was basically nothing he could do about it - from a practical standpoint - as it was out of his control. Yes, that is an extreme example - compared to a kayak in the broads during a sunny day, but I am just trying to make a point. The boat and operator may be "capable", but the prevailing conditions may not... And FTR - I would NOT take a kayak out into the broads on any day, it just doesn't seem like the best place to be in a boat like that.

[BroadHopper]

I think reasonable and prudent use of any watercraft promotes safety. If you read some of the USCG rules (Rule 6, 8 etc.), it is all about safe handling of a water craft. I think that is what NH should put on her books. A kayaker being out on the broads without the proper equipment should be just as guilty as a motorboater speeding out of control through the Weirs Channel. 'Cowboys' can be on any watercraft. Death can happen in a kayak, canoe, rowboat and sailboat, just as much as death can happen on a motorboat. Putting arbitrary limits on motorboats won't cure the lake ills. But putting 'reasonable and prudent operation' of all water vessels will go a long way in the name of safety. That will be a great compromise. Everyone will be responsible for their intentions as skipper on the lake.

I vote that we should adopt the federal rules and make them mandatory on all bodies of water in NH. Not just the ocean.

Your turn.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I think reasonable and prudent use of any watercraft promotes safety. If you read some of the USCG rules (Rule 6, 8 etc.), it is all about safe handling of a water craft. I think that is what NH should put on her books. A kayaker being out on the broads without the proper equipment should be just as guilty as a motorboater speeding out of control through the Weirs Channel. 'Cowboys' can be on any watercraft. Death can happen in a kayak, canoe, rowboat and sailboat, just as much as death can happen on a motorboat. Putting arbitrary limits on motorboats won't cure the lake ills. But putting 'reasonable and prudent operation' of all water vessels will go a long way in the name of safety. That will be a great compromise. Everyone will be responsible for their intentions as skipper on the lake.

I vote that we should adopt the federal rules and make them mandatory on all bodies of water in NH. Not just the ocean.

Your turn.

A simple thank you would not have been good enough here.. This is the best statement I have yet to read on the boards. The USCG knows more then any of us and if their laws are good enough for the US, why aren't they good enough for lake winni?

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE

A simple thank you would not have been good enough here.. This is the best statement I have yet to read on the boards. The USCG knows more then any of us and if their laws are good enough for the US, why aren't they good enough for lake winni?

I see the SL supporters are completely ignoring this compromise. What tick me off that SL Opposers are willing to compromise in the name of safety for all boaters. SL Supporters don't give a squat about those boneheads that are not performance boaters. They are the real problem that needs to be addressed.

[wpddep]

OCD,

Scott, without getting into too many details I'm sure you'll figure out who this is. I haven't seen or talked to you since you got the AT, congrats! I now how long you've been waiting for that. Your father-in-law has been keeping me mostly up to date on your problems, considering all the problems I've been having with my Checkmate (even since you drove it!) My problems are resolved and I couldn't be happier. Great news on the head gasket (all things considered). If you need help with anything, let me or Steve know, I'll be glad to help any way I can. The engine builder I used is about 200 yards away from me at the lake! He did great work (and has a full in-house machine shop) and I got a lot of help from Bob Madara at Marine Kinetics (custom ground cam/matching Morel lifters, Isky Springs setup, etc.). If you are still interested in paint, the guy who did my boat has his shop right over in Gilford, let me know if your interested and I can get you hooked up. We will definitely have to hook up on the water next summer!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by wpddep

OCD,

Scott, without getting into too many details I'm sure you'll figure out who this is. I haven't seen or talked to you since you got the AT, congrats! I now how long you've been waiting for that. Your father-in-law has been keeping me mostly up to date on your problems, considering all the problems I've been having with my Checkmate (even since you drove it!) My problems are resolved and I couldn't be happier. Great news on the head gasket (all things considered). If you need help with anything, let me or Steve know, I'll be glad to help any way I can. The engine builder I used is about 200 yards away from me at the lake! He did great work (and has a full in-house machine shop) and I got a lot of help from Bob Madara at Marine Kinetics (custom ground cam/matching Morel lifters, Isky Springs setup, etc.). If you are still interested in paint, the guy who did my boat has his shop right over in Gilford, let me know if your interested and I can get you hooked up. We will definitely have to hook up on the water next summer!

Yes, wasn't hard to figure out. Welcome to Winni.com. Love the screen name as well!!!

I appreciate it. I don't know he told you but the boat is being stored down in VA and should be all fixed within a month. I called steve about the painter, he said he wasn't in business. It is fine though because I decided to go vinyl. A lot less $$$ and it is better for resale then to have my name on the side. Not that I ever plan on selling but you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

We absolutely have to meet up. I am trying to convince Steve to bring his boat down for Jammin on the James next year. There are a few checkmates doing that run. Actually there are two boats identical to you and steve's except for paint jobs. But we definately need to hook up on the lake. I hope to see you before that and I will bring the video of last years run.

Great hearing from you. Stay on the boards and I will keep you updated as to the progress. Should be some good accesories coming as well.

Take care!

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by wpddep

OCD,

Scott, without getting into too many details I'm sure you'll figure out who this is. I haven't seen or talked to you since you got the AT, congrats! I now how long you've been waiting for that. Your father-in-law has been keeping me mostly up to date on your problems, considering all the problems I've been having with my Checkmate (even since you drove it!) My problems are resolved and I couldn't be happier. Great news on the head gasket (all things considered). If you need help with anything, let me or Steve know, I'll be glad to help any way I can. The engine builder I used is about 200 yards away from me at the lake! He did great work (and has a full in-house machine shop) and I got a lot of help from Bob Madara at Marine Kinetics (custom ground cam/matching Morel lifters, Isky Springs setup, etc.). If you are still interested in paint, the guy who did my boat has his shop right over in Gilford, let me know if your interested and I can get you hooked up. We will definitely have to hook up on the water next summer!

What ended up being the issue with the engine? also I hear you are going to be pushing some Major HP!!.. Your boat will fly right by me.

[hazelnut]

I have this vision of a lone man in a hallway screaming and rantng to nobody. It's becoming more than a little comical now.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around.... Yada yada yada

[robmac]

Looks from the gasket failure like she was leaning out,I'm sure your mechanic will but check injectors,and fuel pump volume. Great news no big failure and big buck repair.

[OCDACTIVE]

Originally Posted by robmac

Looks from the gasket failure like she was leaning out,I'm sure your mechanic will but check injectors,and fuel pump volume. Great news no big failure and big buck repair.

Exactly..... I am replacing the injectors with the stock ones after they are pressure tested as well..... From what I have been reading and have heard this happens a lot with procharged / whippled engines.

[VtSteve]

I must say, turns out you're much more adventurous than myself

My car's speedo goes to 160 mph, I however, do not Not much of a thrillseeker myself. And no, you certainly cannot "unsee" that which has been seen. Many have tried to eradicate things seen before, and in many ways (many harmful as well).

I used to be more live and let live. Now? Sometimes I say Cut the crap cowboy and grow up! to those that live recklessly, and worst of all, In the midst of those that are not You know the idiots, we all have seen them.

There's a fine line between compromise and overreaching. At some point, reality and common sense has to factor into the decision-making process. Many times, I think you overshoot your obstacle, perhaps it's due to a need for more solitude than your surroundings can offer.

But I do feel you want to eliminate as much of your surroundings as possible, unless they mesh with your particular lifestyle or visions thereof. Perhaps I'm wrong. I have no need for 100 mph plus boats, nor the loud noises, nor the danger. But I have no tolerance for cowboys in any boat, regardless of noise or propulsion. But I have no plans that involve eradicating vessels from lakes anytime soon.

Many of us agree on the safety proposition, good place to start.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by DoTheMath

Just a thought but - kayaks in the broads go beyond the operators or vessels capabilities. Most days it's rough enough out there where a kayak - that sits maybe a foot off the water? - becomes hard to see. As the waves generate "peaks and valleys" (or troughs) the kayak will be in and out of view on a repeated basis. I have never looked at the position of the kayak and paddler as not "belonging" in the broads, so much as it may not the best choice from a safety standpoint? I happen to thoroughly enjoy kayaking and exploring all the places you can't go in a big boat. I consider myself very capable in such a vessel, I have kayaked all over the western hemisphere, fresh and salt water in the US, Mexico, Caribbean, etc... I never really considered putting myself out into open water in these cases, not for fear of anything other than not being visible enough to a larger boat. All boats have conditions that they are suited (designed and built) for, and ones that the operator knows they are pushing the limit, and beyond. I've been there - as a kid, took a 13' Whaler out many a times in water that was beyond what Whaler had in mind I'm sure, but I loved it - and survived just fine. However, I never ventured into the broads on a windy day with it... just didn't seem smart. I pushed the limits of that boat, but never to the point that I felt there could be catastrophic results.

Point is - forget what the boat and operator is capable of, are the conditions and prevailing circumstances conducive to being there? Could the factors that are out of your control have a negative effect on your actions? Example - you read about people going out in a paddle boat or canoe at night, no lights, etc... and they are thinking... well, not sure WHAT they are thinking, but they do it. Now, along comes Joe Q Boater, driving his 22' bowrider, family on board, lights on and doing 24 mph. It is a clear night, he is sober, experienced and 100% within the letter of the law from an operators standpoint. He sees nothing in front of him from an illuminated standpoint, and looks at his wife for 2 seconds to comment on how beautiful of a night it is. Meanwhile, said unlit vessel is crossing between Meredith Neck and Bear Isl, and in those two seconds, tragedy - he hits the canoe, paddle boat, whatever - and say kills one or both of the two occupants. How incredibly awful would you think that operator would feel for the rest of his life about that incident!? It would haunt him forever, and there was basically nothing he could do about it - from a practical standpoint - as it was out of his control. Yes, that is an extreme example - compared to a kayak in the broads during a sunny day, but I am just trying to make a point. The boat and operator may be "capable", but the prevailing conditions may not... And FTR - I would NOT take a kayak out into the broads on any day, it just doesn't seem like the best place to be in a boat like that.

DTM- Your post makes to much sense, it will be dismissed as more proof that the cowboys want to reign.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Turtle Boy

A couple of EL's points deserve emphasis. People from out of state sometimes comment to me when they hear of my Winni location about Winni's out of control reputation; it's something I've been trying to ignore for 2 decades now. I agree with EL on the safety issue too...and his links have shown speed is a problem needing to be addressed, both on Winni and elsewhere. I need to add that in addition to safety,there is the issue (as many have pointed out) of speed, noise, and the overall boating experience on the lake. We can't go back to the 1960's...there are just too many boats and the superfast boats on the lake in the 60's were few and far between. Tho only logical solution is a SL and so far it seems to be working. Most of the worst offenders call attention to themselves with major noise. Noise legislation hasn't worked, will not work (even with switchable exhaust) and the noise from these boats is just too loud for most people anyway.
We've heard from a few members about their sense from talking to others that no one (practically) supports the SL. As was mentioned earlier in one of the threads, this seems unusual given the number of people involved in the speed limit movement, people we talk to around the lake, the many organizations that supported Winnfabs and the SL as well as the many businesses that support the SL. I suppose those very vocal people on the forum who said they would never ever again support these businesses are frequenting those that were against limits and are therefore hearing the things they want and expect to hear. Clearly if I went to Murphy's Bar and asked people their opinions on alcohol in America the results would differ significantly from those I'd hear at an AA meeting.
I find it ironic too that the face of the NHRBA will be frequently on the front page in a couple of months when the Sl debate is coming more and more into the headlines as well.
Another good point is the attempted marginalization by the Sl opposition of smaller craft/kayaks/etc. and that some of these people are "stupid" if they would venture into the broads in such a craft. I know of many skilled kayakers who have sea kayaks and are capable of handling more than the broads can offer. To suggest that these craft need to "stay close to shore" is just a self serving example of the smoke and mirrors used by those who want no limits. As EL said a while back "wild horses don't like to be corralled".
I applaud the efforts of NH citizens to take back the lake for a more equitable use for all and also feel it is unlikely that the state legislature will cause a reversal of the gains achieved for the lake, and 45/25 is a good compromise.

While I vehemently disagree with your position and your conclusions this is as well stated a post I have ever seen coming from the Supporters side. Very UNLIKE a certain post before this one. No, unfortunately the other person has to resort to outright lies and inflammatory statements. He wonders why a large percentage of people have him on the ignore list. It's also no wonder why SL Supporters that have posted for years here have distanced themselves from him.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

Can? Or can't? Maybe you haven't witnessed "The 12-hours of Sebring".

Really this is your example of WOT, Yeah no corners at Sebring for 12 hours.

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

I've been a "continuing student" of auto racing schools and, until last year, have been instructing race car drivers since 1984. (Getting PAID to instruct AND go fast—WHEE!). Unfortunately, the Porsche GT3s were just added to the MY mix on the track, and their overtaking speeds have dissapated my previous enjoyment at the track. (My BMW, at 130-MPH, is no slouch, either).

At first I was thinking that your first comment above was based on little knowledge of the sport, then I read this and think to myself, do you actually use the rev-limiter while racing. As you know that any sustained contact with the limiter will make you engine go POP. By the way my wifes Saab will do 130mph+ as well, whats your point, as you know it is not about how fast the car can go, its how much speed the driver and car together, can handle around the entire circuit, we are not talking drag racing, here.

I am really confused, all that experience and these are your examples.

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

1) If you were observant, you'd see I select that image for use at the boating threads—only. I expect to change it eventually, but I'm confused as to what's "silly" about it—is it the photo part—or the message part? The photo part, I see every day on the water.

If you look here, http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=7586 you would know that this statement is not true at all and that is without looking hard APS.
And speaking of that picture, I wonder if you would take responsibility for causing an accident on the water? If your signaling device were to impair the vision of the operator to cause an incident with another boat other than yourself, or triggered an epileptic event in the operator or an occupant of that boat.

APS, why do your posts take hours to show up in these threads, it seems odd that after reading through these forums, the conversation shifts a little and then these posts just pop out up. This may be out of your control (connection, whatever), just did not know if you knew that was happening.

[DEJ]

He deserves an Emmy for the "stories" he has told over the years.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

"...can your "system" cause an accident...?"

A fair question regarding my CD warning-signals.

A bright flash of sunlight can cause a migraine "aura". That "aura" can—after a few minutes—temporarily blind those who are afflicted with that particular cousin of epilepsy. (Like myself).

The flash from a CD is much less (and much "briefer") than the sun's flash off a flat windshield, say, of a Formula performance boat.

Originally Posted by VitaBene

"...'The total number of spectator deaths and injuries is unknown, but at least 29 spectators died and 70 were injured by race cars or flying car parts at U.S. auto racing events alone since 1999, according to according to The Charlotte (N C.) Observer'"...your closed track nonsense is just that..."

On the road courses I frequent, spectators are seldom subjected to flying car parts OR flying cars. Collisions are far "rarer" at road courses than any track near Charlotte. We road-racers have gravel traps, tire walls and "escape roads": ALL the risk is ALL on the driver—which is as it should be.

Originally Posted by jmen24

"...do you actually use the rev-limiter while racing..."

My rev-limiter has been disabled on my "M-engine" (BMW-Motorsport Division). Concerned about missing a shift (and hitting 9500-RPMs) I relayed that concern to my tuner.

My tuner replied:

"M-engines routinely run over 10,500-RPMs".

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

"...In the past decade I have seen too many of these small crafts get in trouble along the Gilford shore. Especially when the wind is from the North.

And when the wind is from the South, I get to rescue them! (Though most just wade their boat to a beach, pull their boat up and "wait out the weather").

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

My rev-limiter has been disabled on my "M-engine" (BMW-Motorsport Division). Concerned about missing a shift (and hitting 9500-RPMs) I relayed that concern to my tuner.

My tuner replied:
Quote:
"M-engines routinely run over 10,500-RPMs".

Let me know how that works out for you. Routinely and sustained are two different things. I am glad you agree that hitting redline at WOT without a load applied could be damaging to an engine.

As I am sure you are aware running WOT with a load applied (such as exiting a corner) and running WOT at redline (such as entering a corner or missing a shift) are two completely different animals and the damage to the vehicle is different (in most cases).

[BroadHopper]

Originally Posted by jmen24

As I am sure you are aware running WOT with a load applied (such as exiting a corner) and running WOT at redline (such as entering a corner or missing a shift) are two completely different animals and the damage to the vehicle is different (in most cases).

In marine applications there is always a steady load and there is no missed shifts. Except when you are wave dancing. There is an electronic rev limiter that can be turned on and off from the dash. Really handy when dancing. This is what I saw at the top gun school in Aventura.

I was told not to be too concerned with over revving in marine applications because of steady load. the rev limiters installed by the factory is only for warranty purpose and can be overrided with a reprogram of the ECU. Using the correct pitch prop to get WOT 'in the zone'

A good rev limiter cuts out the spark one cylinder at a time to avoid a total shut down which could cause a mechanical shock and early parts failure. My last look at these products are good examples of rev limiters. The MSD and the Jacobs line.

[OCDACTIVE]

OCD Engine Update.

Just heard from down south........... And everything with the heads and block are fine. The heads were magnafluxed and they are allset. The Block was pressure tested and its good to go.

Wow is that a relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So things should be coming together soon.

Will keep you updated!

[BroadHopper]

24" Revolution 4 4 blade. Best prop so far.

[VtSteve]

That's a mean prop BH. My little 5.0 couldn't turn the Rev4 I tried into a winner. My boat is far lighter than yours, but without the big block for torque. I really wanted the Rev 4 to work, because I heard it was a delight for fixing the Alpha Ones propensity for poor slow speed steering, particularly in reverse.

[BroadHopper]

My previous boat was a Liberator 211 with 350 Magnum. Originally came with a Michgan 19" SS prop. That was the best for that boat after trying tons of props. A 21" Laser was the best speed prop but it was subject to 'blow outs'. It also got the boat up to the point it will 'chine walk' at about 53 mph. Scary! The Liberator was a great boat for the 350. Highly recomend it.

The current Formula f 223 LS with 454 Magnum came with a 19" SS Mercury prop. It was hitting the rev limiter all the time. Swap for a 21" Bravo and again, hitting the rev limiter. Swap for a 23" Bravo and it appears to be a great all around prop. But I still hit the rev limiter. I tried the 25" Bravo solid hub and the boat flies! It was 400 rpm below the rev limiter, but 'blows out' easily in corners or if I try to do a hole shot. The current 24" prop is a delight. No blow outs. Less vibration. Same max rpm. Less speed but love the all around performance.

I want to thank Ron at Lakeport Landing for the prop swaps. I also want to thank Eddie at Winnisquam Marine for swapping the 4 blade. I use EBay as well to buy and sell SS props.

I have a 23" Bravo and a 25" Bravo solid hub for sale. Both 3 blades. I will accept any reasonable offer. I have a 23" aluminum. I keep that when I go on a body of water that I am not familiar with.

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I have a 23" aluminum. I keep that when I go on a body of water that I am not familiar with.

A 454 and an aluminum prop must feel like complete mush. I'd love to see high speed video of the blades flexing at maximum engine torque and load.

Originally Posted by hazelnut

He wonders why a large percentage of people have him on the ignore list.

No I don't.

Originally Posted by hazelnut

It's also no wonder why SL Supporters that have posted for years here have distanced themselves from him.

What "SL Supporters" are you referring to?

TB, thanks for the support. Keep the faith. Don't let the phony KAing lull you.

Here's a case where the driver admits to both drinking and speeding, leading to this accident that KILLED THREE. By the cult's logic of "two negatives make a positive", he did nothing wrong. "But he was intoxicated too!" they will shout. Doesn't say whether the dead were his innocent passengers or innocent people sitting on the dock he smashed into at 50MPH. "But he would have been breaking the 150 rule too!" they will shout. Perhaps his boat would have also violated our noise statute, rendering this accident "proof" that our SL should be repealed..."But his boat was too loud too!" ;
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...m2wijlbZQ.cspx

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by elchase

the dock he smashed into at 50MPH.

So, at 45MPH, those who were killed in this tragic accident would be around today? Doubt it.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by elchase

Yosemite Sam,
Please don't get discouraged or scared away. Consider the source when you read criticism on these Anti Speed Limit threads. This is a very small cult of cowboys who think that boats should be able to go as fast as the driver wants on a crowded lake, any time he wants, day or night. They let their 6 year old kids pilot their 5-ton speed boats. They somehow contend that as long as they are drunk, it is ok to go really fast. They call run-abouts and canoes "speed bumps". They say smaller boats should be limited to "safer" lakes. They brag about their law-breaking escapades and give each other virtual high fives. They send PM's to inform you of the time they have spent in jail, and use screen names that tell you of their gun caliber preferences and social diseases. The word "maturity" has a whole different meaning to this small little gang. They dominate these threads because it is the only place where they fit in and appear normal. It is the only place that gives forum to law breakers and allows them to boast unlimited of their crimes, while limiting participation by the mainstream.
Your views are spot-on. Keep them coming.

And when you have some time, have a look on the internet and you will see what happens on lakes where the citizens have not organized to take back control. Simple searches reveal thousands of cases where boats like these, driven by cowboys like these, have killed people like you and me. Innocent boaters and bystanders, sometimes while asleep in their waterfront homes, are being killed all over the country and world by boaters like these with the "need for speed" who insist on showing off in their "look at me" boats driving at "look how fast I can go" speeds. Take comfort in the fact that Winnipesaukee used to have fatal accidents like these until we enacted a speed limit, and that our legislature (as much as I cringe at the other things that they have been doing) is not going to repeal a law that has worked so well.

Here are examples of what was and would again be happening on Winnipesaukee if we eliminated the Speed limit;
These two accidents in NY sound identical, except that
3 died in this one;
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...tagh-1.1500143
and ONLY one died in this one;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/o...Zdass6c9YR4HMO

of work- you have chosen to not believe a thing that has been written by anyone with an opposing view. I will say it again- THE MAJORITY OF SL OPPONENTS DO NOT OWN A BOAT THAT CAN EXCEED IT. Is that clear enough? I guess not.

Most of us own and use those things you refer to as speed bumps, however, we do know there is a time and place for everything (I for example choose not to run on Rt 109 even though it is legal).

The only PM I have sent you is to offer condolences on your mother's passing (unacknowledged BTW but according to Emily Post you have a year to do so)

Where did anyone say it was OK to drink and boat??

I bet my 14 year old son can out boat you any day of the week- he learned from a young age, from watching, from sitting on my lap, from listening.