NH Mask Mandates

[FlyingScot]

Completely agree, although I am curious to see how the numbers go in a couple of weeks. My sister was at a bar a couple of nights ago. She said it looked like a super spreader event. And that’s from someone who has been in FL since September.


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I'm with you--I'm vaxxed and have little sympathy for those who aren't, but I am edging slowly into demasking. Being close to a few people should not be a concern, but I'm not returning to the mosh pit any time soon

[joey2665]

I'm with you--I'm vaxxed and have little sympathy for those who aren't, but I am edging slowly into demasking. Being close to a few people should not be a concern, but I'm not returning to the mosh pit any time soon

I’m pretty sure those that decide not to get the vaccine would not be looking for sympathy from anyone. JMO


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[FlyingScot]

I’m pretty sure those that decide not to get the vaccine would not be looking for sympathy from anyone. JMO


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Oops--I forget how literal some readers are. "Sympathy" is sort of a figure of speech or shorthand. I was agreeing with Sue and Gily that the unvaxxed should not get very much policy consideration at this point. (at least those who are unvaxxed as a matter of choice)

[joey2665]

Oops--I forget how literal some readers are. "Sympathy" is sort of a figure of speech or shorthand. I was agreeing with Sue and Gily that the unvaxxed should not get very much policy consideration at this point. (at least those who are unvaxxed as a matter of choice)

Sympathy is not a figure of speech. I respect peoples choice to get vaccinated or not. Nobody should be forced to be vaccinated. Again JMO. You don’t like my opinion that’s your prerogative.


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[FlyingScot]

Sympathy is not a figure of speech. I respect peoples choice to get vaccinated or not. Nobody should be forced to be vaccinated. Again JMO. You don’t like my opinion that’s your prerogative.


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No one has posted that people should be forced to be vaccinated, and no one has posted anything disrespectful, so I'm mystified by your comments.

[joey2665]

No one has posted that people should be forced to be vaccinated, and no one has posted anything disrespectful, so I'm mystified by your comments.

Who said anything about disrespect? You interpret and always look for issues to argue about you don’t read. All I did was state my opinion on the subject of vaccination. Like it or don’t makes no difference to me. It’s a person right to decide what’s best for them.


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[Sue Doe-Nym]

Joey, I think Flying was merely trying to explain his use of the word sympathy, not trying to start something. Please relax. If you want to tell me to MYOB, I can take it. 😇 Happy Memorial Day. 🎉💥🎉

[joey2665]

Joey, I think Flying was merely trying to explain his use of the word sympathy, not trying to start something. Please relax. If you want to tell me to MYOB, I can take it. [emoji56] Happy Memorial Day. [emoji322][emoji95][emoji322]

Not at all. I do like your optimistic point of view but every time I post he digs looking to start an argument. I never said anything personal about his post just stated my opinion and his misinterpretation of the word sympathy which he obviously didn’t like

Enjoy your weekend. Happy Memorial Day. God bless. [emoji631][emoji631][emoji631][emoji631]


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[ApS]

There is not a hint of any science showing that mask wearing among the general population does anything at all to limit covid transmission, actually the opposite and causes other problems. Early on even Saint Fauci stated in an accidentaly moment of honesty that masks could do more harm than good becasue people constantly fidgit with them, touch their face a lot, wear them wrong and reuse them too much. This makes logical common sense and there is science to back it up. I challenge anyone to come up with an actual scientific study showing masks do any good in public. "it can't hurt" is not science.

A Stanford/National institute of health study details the actual facts. This will not get wide publication because the power structure wants masks to be an object of control as well as a handy thing to blame any surge in cases on. Never mind that the southern border is wide open with untested thousands flooding over and then being let loose or transported around the country. No, cases are up because people are not wearing masks. Of course the truthfulness of the actual numbers is another topic for a different discussion.

read the whole thing here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/


summary



The study concludes
It appears Dr. Fauci will lose his $417,608/year government job soon.

But you'd have to read Australian press to find that out! :fire:

[gillygirl]

It appears Dr. Fauci will lose his $417,608/year government job soon.

But you'd have to read Australian press to find that out! :fire:

Link please.


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[ApS]

Link please.
Nope. ;)

It's "out there" to be found. :look:

[gillygirl]

Nope. ;)

It's "out there" to be found. :look:

I did look. Lots of articles on the emails, nothing about him losing his job.


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[thinkxingu]

I did look. Lots of articles on the emails, nothing about him losing his job.


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[gillygirl]

Hahahaha! Silly gilly, don't you know ApS has ALL the inside knowledge that's fit to...find in Australia?!

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Silly gilly…I like that!


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[FlyingScot]

Jbolty and ApS--thank you for using a citation on the mask point. I just read the link and noticed two things right away. First, the article was titled "Hypothesis" (as opposed to "study" or "trial" or similar). So the author was not asserting that masks were not helpful, only that more study was needed. Second, the article has since been retracted. So the journal has concluded that it is no longer a relevant hypothesis (because masks have been proven effective) or that the original hypothesis had fundamental flaws that were not understood prior to publication.

Personally, I'm glad I've gotten to ditch the face masks I wore for a year, and even gladder than none of my family ended up with covid.

[ApS]

Hahahaha! Silly gilly, don't you know ApS has ALL the inside knowledge that's fit to...find in Australia?!
Here in the USA:

March 2020. After receiving an email about the experiments at the Wuhan lab, Fauci emails his deputy, Dr. Hugh Auchincloss:

"It is essential that we speak this AM. Keep your cell phone on … Read this paper as well as the email that I will forward to you now. You will have tasks today that must be done.”

As Auchincloss replies, “Will try to determine if we have any distant ties to this work abroad.”

Hmmm...Paper?

Dr. Fauci's scientific paper from 2012? Referencing "Gain of Function"? Referencing a "Risk of Pandemic" from artificially accelerating the potency of a virus? Laboratory work that can't be done--by law--in the USA? Grant millions of US taxpayer-dollars to a burgeoning Communist regime?

There are many emails just disclosed by FOIA lawsuit. (Freedom of Information Act).

These must be damaging, as the NYTs and "Pravda on the Potomac" news-sources are silent (so far). :rolleye1:

[Newbiesaukee]

If anyone really wants to see all of the emails here is a link to Reuters which contains links to the thousands of emails. Then choose the ones which best fit your belief system.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-fauci-foia/fact-check-fauci-emails-were-not-leaked-but-obtained-by-foia-idUSL2N2NM1JC

[CooperS7777]

Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1

[Newbiesaukee]

This was just posted in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It deals with efficacy of masks and all the stuff we are politely discussing.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778233?guestAccessKey=a74a1242-3623-43be-bc4d-1d60d1fc0a73&utm_source=silverchair&utm_campaign=jama_network&utm_content=covid_weekly_highlights&utm_medium=email

The link seems to work.

[Newbiesaukee]

Quite an interesting read on the efficacy of masks conducted by the University of Louisville. So far as I've been able to find, its one of the only full case studies on this issue alone.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1

This is a preprint and has no peer review and states that it should not be used as a guide to clinical practice. This is not to say not to read it, but don’t bet the farm on it.

[trfour]

News about Mask wearing, https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/should-fully-vaccinated-people-continue-wear-masks-experts-weigh-n1272890

[gravy boat]

It's click bait. And the usual MSM outlets are trying to scare people.

No reason to wear a mask if you're vaccinated.

However, if you are NOT vaccinated, have health issues or still are quite fearful then you can wear a mask if it makes you feel better.

[fatlazyless]

Marked down, high quality, black masks for sale: Plymouth Walmart has marked down two-paks of very well made black face masks from two masks/$3.97 down to the low, low price of two masks/$0.25.

This is a seriously good deal, and I loaded up by buying eight masks for $1.00.

Such a deal, and I'm starting to feel a little out of place now by wearing a mask in the Market Basket or in the Walmart, except at this low price, it was too good of a deal to not be wearing a mask since I bought them .. :D::laugh: :D::laugh:

..............WEAR A MASK.................
..............OR GO TO JAIL ................ 1918 Flu Pandemic warning posted in public locations to spread this message!

[John Mercier]

I guess it will all depend on what vaccine you got, what the protection rate is against the most dominate variant at the time, and how prolific that variant is in your area.

If it is 93% protection against hospitalization and death... 1 in 14 vaccinated would be the hospitalization rate in a severe outbreak.

Of course, being forced to sit at home for a couple weeks with no pay... that could hurt some. And of course, having too many employees that are either hospitalized or quarantined would be rough on businesses already short on staff.

[FlyingScot]

I guess it will all depend on what vaccine you got, what the protection rate is against the most dominate variant at the time, and how prolific that variant is in your area.

If it is 93% protection against hospitalization and death... 1 in 14 vaccinated would be the hospitalization rate in a severe outbreak.

Of course, being forced to sit at home for a couple weeks with no pay... that could hurt some. And of course, having too many employees that are either hospitalized or quarantined would be rough on businesses already short on staff.

That's not quite right on the numbers--93% efficacy in this context means that your likelihood of hospitalization is only 7% of the likelihood that an unvaxxed person has. So if an unvaxxed person has a 1 in 10 chance of hospitalization (just for example), then a vaxxed person would have only a 1 in 140 chance. Alternatively--if half of the population is vaccinated, then 13 out of every 14 people in the hospital would be unvaxxed. Get vaxxed!

[John Mercier]

Makes sense.

Israel is reporting lots of breakthroughs with Delta and a new Delta Plus strain.

[trfour]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-anthony-fauci-expect-a-flood-of-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-after-full-fda-approval/ar-AAN2483?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[SailinAway]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-anthony-fauci-expect-a-flood-of-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-after-full-fda-approval/ar-AAN2483?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Constant links with no messages. As a public service, how about you read those articles and tell us what they say?

[John Mercier]

The article is an interview with Dr. Fauci, basically discussing his opinion that once the vaccine(s) receive full FDA approval businesses/etc will change to a policy of mandates for their employees to get the vaccine(s).

[garysanfran]

If you look on the upper part of your left or right arm, you may see a mark I thought we all, in the USA, have...Smallpox vaccine from our youth. Wasn't that mandated to attend public schools?

I also remember drinking polio vaccines from a little paper cup. Just came into school one day and we ALL had a cup on our desks. No parental notification, nor approval. This was in Massachusetts.

[Newbiesaukee]

If you look on the upper part of your left or right arm, you may see a mark I thought we all, in the USA, have...Smallpox vaccine from our youth. Wasn't that mandated to attend public schools?

I also remember drinking polio vaccines from a little paper cup. Just came into school one day and we ALL had a cup on our desks. No parental notification, nor approval. This was in Massachusetts.

Vaccine requirements (with certain exemptions) to attend school are the norm. Without igniting a forum firestorm, this is primarily why the Covid vaccination resistance is aberrant in its ferocity and scope. It is not basically medical.

https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/immunization/documents/schools20-21.pdf

The above link is for NH.

[John Mercier]

Those were FDA approved. The current vaccines are under Emergency Use Authority.

When it changes to FDA approved is when they expect the mandates.

Currently, it isn't authorized for anyone under 12... so it will not be like the smallpox and polio vaccines.

[Newbiesaukee]

Those were FDA approved. The current vaccines are under Emergency Use Authority.

When it changes to FDA approved is when they expect the mandates.

Currently, it isn't authorized for anyone under 12... so it will not be like the smallpox and polio vaccines.

Strictly speaking, you are correct.

If so, then FDA approval should persuade a number of hesitators to vaccinate.

We’ll see.

[SailinAway]

Vaccine requirements (with certain exemptions) to attend school are the norm. Without igniting a forum firestorm, this is primarily why the Covid vaccination resistance is aberrant in its ferocity and scope. It is not basically medical. The above link is for NH.

Another thing that is very, very aberrant is how many FRIENDS Covid-19 has in the U.S. Nowhere else in the world do you find so many people creating ideal conditions for the spread of a lethal disease.

[SailinAway]

If you look on the upper part of your left or right arm, you may see a mark I thought we all, in the USA, have...Smallpox vaccine from our youth. Wasn't that mandated to attend public schools?

I also remember drinking polio vaccines from a little paper cup. Just came into school one day and we ALL had a cup on our desks. No parental notification, nor approval. This was in Massachusetts.

I think that's because people believed the truth of what they saw with their own eyes: people dying. They didn't call that fake news.

[ApS]

Vaccine requirements (with certain exemptions) to attend school are the norm. Without igniting a forum firestorm, this is primarily why the Covid vaccination resistance is aberrant in its ferocity and scope. It is not basically medical. https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/immunization/documents/schools20-21.pdf The above link is for NH.

A friend sent me a link featuring Dr. Dan Stock, MD, addressing an Indiana school board. The video takes six minutes to watch, but this must be the fastest-talking doctor in the US! :eek2: :eek:
https://tinyurl.com/956zspru

I don't seem to have any difficulty understanding his medical position, but was wondering what he might have said that could be "aberrant". (But he does say the CDC with its 21,000 employees, are executing a wrong-headed program, which has been mindlessly copied by Indiana's Health Service).

Many medical doctors who speak "aberrantly" on this subject are de-platformed or otherwise blocked by Google, Linked-In, and/or Twitter. What possible factor, besides "monied-interests" could be responsible? (I learned today that even long-standing and resilient MA resident, Howie Carr has been censored from YouTube).

In disclosure:

1) I am vaccinated with J&J.
2) Upon advice of my brokerage-house, I bought stock this June in each of the three US vaccine-makers. (However, as above, I intend to express thoughts critical of "emergency" Covid-19 vaccines).

[John Mercier]

The platforms are a business. They aren't into politics.
So if it causes problems for their advertisers... it will be blocked regardless of what it is.

[ApS]

Another thing that is very, very aberrant is how many FRIENDS Covid-19 has in the U.S. Nowhere else in the world do you find so many people creating ideal conditions for the spread of a lethal disease.
I heard that the most reluctant Americans left are refreshed with the reminders of "The Tuskegee Airmen". ;)

Those were FDA approved. The current vaccines are under Emergency Use Authority.

When it changes to FDA approved is when they expect the mandates.

Currently, it isn't authorized for anyone under 12... so it will not be like the smallpox and polio vaccines.

Apparently, that can change:

"...allowing individuals 11 years of age and older to consent to his or her own immunization with a COVID-19 vaccine under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), without the approval or consent of a parent or guardian".

https://vax.phila.gov/index.php/notices/adolescents-12-may-consent-to-receive-pfizer-vaccine/

Y'know how smart those 11-years old kids are. ;) 10-year-olds, left out, are irate. :fire:

The platforms are a business. They aren't into politics. So if it causes problems for their advertisers... it will be blocked regardless of what it is.
Unfortunately, only government knows what the truth is.

Y'know what it's called when business allies with government?

To learn from history:
"...he made the trains run on time..."
—Ol' what'z his name...

[WinnisquamZ]

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2021/08/does-nh-gov-chris-sununu-have-a-chance-for-redemption-2-0-no-lockdowns-or-mask-mandates-edition


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[John Mercier]

I heard that the most reluctant Americans left are refreshed with the reminders of "The Tuskegee Airmen". ;)



Apparently, that can change:


https://vax.phila.gov/index.php/notices/adolescents-12-may-consent-to-receive-pfizer-vaccine/

Y'know how smart those 11-years old kids are. ;) 10-year-olds, left out, are irate. :fire:


Unfortunately, only government knows what the truth is.

Y'know what it's called when business allies with government?

To learn from history:
"...he made the trains run on time..."
—Ol' what'z his name...

Business isn't allying with government... Business is allying with their actual customers... you know... the people that pay the bills. We call that CAPITALISM.

And the Tuskegee Airmen were denied a cure for a disease...

But if you are claiming that ''Operation Warp Speed'' was FASCISM... then call it what you must.

[ApS]

Business isn't allying with government... Business is allying with their actual customers... you know... the people that pay the bills. We call that CAPITALISM.

And the Tuskegee Airmen were denied a cure for a disease...

But if you are claiming that ''Operation Warp Speed'' was *******... then call it what you must.
I'm trying hard to keep my responses understandable without using actual trigger words, such as what appears in your last sentence. Suggesting that be edited-out.

My cardiologist, now retired, has been active in advocacy of effective and cheap Ivermectin. (As previously noted, I'm into Big Pharma, which has no interest in such a penniless cure).

Now, suppose Dr. Boros had been "flagged" at his Facebook page--or worse--put on suspension.

BTW: Some Governors have forbidden the use of the penniless treatment using Ivermectin. Sound right to you?

Y'know he'd be joining a U.S. Senator on Facebook suspension, so we can't glean anything from his experience as an MD--caught up in a pandemic. Recently, he was extremely critical of Dr. Fauci at a Senate hearing, so now he's in the Facebook penalty box. Sound right to you?

Now, for "Operation Warp Speed", the treatments were already long-stored for use. It was merely opening the door to "emergency" distribution that remained.

Are the animal trials finished? :rolleye1:

[FlyingScot]

I'm trying hard to keep my responses understandable without using actual trigger words, such as what appears in your last sentence. Suggesting that be edited-out.

My cardiologist, now retired, has been active in advocacy of effective and cheap Ivermectin. (As previously noted, I'm into Big Pharma, which has no interest in such a penniless cure).

Now, suppose Dr. Boros had been "flagged" at his Facebook page--or worse--put on suspension.

BTW: Some Governors have forbidden the use of the penniless treatment using Ivermectin. Sound right to you?

Y'know he'd be joining a U.S. Senator on Facebook suspension, so we can't glean anything from his experience as an MD--caught up in a pandemic. Recently, he was extremely critical of Dr. Fauci at a Senate hearing, so now he's in the Facebook penalty box. Sound right to you?

Now, for "Operation Warp Speed", the treatments were already long-stored for use. It was merely opening the door to "emergency" distribution that remained.

Are the animal trials finished? :rolleye1:

Tuskegee was a trigger word.

Nobody really paying attention cares what a cardiologist or any of your quack references thinks about infectious disease.

Governors have no control over what doctors prescribe.

Operation Warp Speed has saved millions of people with vaccines that did not exist before.

People who use Facebook instead of newspapers are are likely to end up full of misinformation...as you've illustrated incredibly well.

[John Mercier]

He asked me what it was when government and business ally.
He knew what he was posturing about... just thought by not using the word that he inferences would not be understood.

By the way, Operation Warp Speed really did nothing.
The science could not be sped; and Pfizer... the first out... only got a pre-order should it produce an effective vaccine. It did not get funding prior.

So even without Operation Warp Speed, Pfizer would have produced the vaccine, met the EUA requirements (actually exceeded them by quite a bit) and sold the vaccine.
Without the pre-buy, it would have simple meant the US had to wait in a line ahead of others. But since the vaccine requires unique distribution... most other countries would not, and still cannot, effectively use the supply available.

Neither political party gets credit...

There was no ''long store'' of the vaccine. And an EUA is not that unique, they also did for the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic... though no vaccine was developed, some of the tech used for this one was.

As for the FDA under the last Administration, it also issued an EUA for HCQ, and had to later revoke that one.

The law change in 2013 made the difference on how many different items received EUA during this emergency.

Both parties took the time to realize in 2013 we needed a faster approach to a pandemic, and during this one... both parties - depending on which was sitting in power - have worked against getting the vaccines into arms.

Thanks to the scientists, not so much the politicians.

[Newbiesaukee]

I’m having some difficulty following the conversation.

The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee Experiment are totally different but are important for very different reasons. I’m not sure why this was brought up but the confusion is a paradigm for the communication issues that go way beyond the Forum.

Facts still matter.

[ApS]

He asked me what it was when government and business ally.
He knew what he was posturing about... just thought by not using the word that he inferences would not be understood.

By the way, Operation Warp Speed really did nothing.
The science could not be sped; and Pfizer... the first out... only got a pre-order should it produce an effective vaccine. It did not get funding prior.

So even without Operation Warp Speed, Pfizer would have produced the vaccine, met the EUA requirements (actually exceeded them by quite a bit) and sold the vaccine.
Without the pre-buy, it would have simple meant the US had to wait in a line ahead of others. But since the vaccine requires unique distribution... most other countries would not, and still cannot, effectively use the supply available.

Neither political party gets credit...

There was no ''long store'' of the vaccine. And an EUA is not that unique, they also did for the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic... though no vaccine was developed, some of the tech used for this one was.

As for the FDA under the last Administration, it also issued an EUA for HCQ, and had to later revoke that one.

The law change in 2013 made the difference on how many different items received EUA during this emergency.

Both parties took the time to realize in 2013 we needed a faster approach to a pandemic, and during this one... both parties - depending on which was sitting in power - have worked against getting the vaccines into arms.

Thanks to the scientists, not so much the politicians.
The year 2013 was pivotal: It was then that Dr. Fauci wrote that, "The risk of pandemic was worth it in order to fund 'Gain of Function' research". Back when I was in college ROTC, we would have called such research by a known enemy, Biological Warfare. :mad: Helping to fund it within a nation ('way over there') would be treasonous! But today is a different "woke"nation. :rolleye1:

But we wouldn't have known about "the risk of pandemic" without the release of FOIA email exchanges between Dr. Fauci and his friends in D.C. swamp-bureaucracies. (Fortunately there weren't 30,000 of them).

I’m having some difficulty following the conversation.

The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee Experiment are totally different but are important for very different reasons. I’m not sure why this was brought up but the confusion is a paradigm for the communication issues that go way beyond the Forum.

Facts still matter.
Overlooking the emoticon?

"Tuskegee Airmen ( ;) )" was to show from where the "communication issues" had originated. :eek:

I caught at least two forum members with my accurate quote! Proper Googling of the quote will assist in resolving your quandary.

"Tuskegee Airman" wasn't as much a trigger word as it was a "phrase-pun". Tuskegee Airmen referenced both WWII heroes and the wrongly-phrased assertion of someone we look to for the clear-headed thinking we demand from leadership.

Operation Warp Speed: Getting the facts straight on OWS...
The media echoed general skepticism about OWS in the Spring of 2020. Vanity Fair in its May 28, 2020 edition characterized OWS "as dangerous and likely to fail." CNN complained that OWS neglected "tried and true" procedures for vaccine development in favor of new and untested methods. A New York Times article dated April 30, 2020 somberly states: "Our record for developing an entirely new vaccine is at least four years - more time than the public or the economy can tolerate social-distancing orders."https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/544175-getting-the-facts-right-on-operation-warp-spGoogle?

Maybe the printed source should be "flagged" and "deplatformed" by Google? :confused:

[John Mercier]

Tuskegee was not where it originated.

The implication of the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine is where the hesitation began. Tuskegee had nothing to do with it.

And both sides of the political aisle has played that game.

[ApS]

Look...! A Squirrel... :rolleye1:

"Tuskegee Airmen" was a ham-fisted reference--originating from a DC news conference--to "vaccination hestitancy" among minorities.

Listen at C-Span. :cool:

[John Mercier]

So explain why you have vaccine hesitancy in NH... is it due to our extremely large minority resident population?

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news/local/pockets-of-vaccine-hesitancy-concern-public-health-officials/article_29cd3bc8-ee5b-11eb-aee8-877c99825990.html

[FlyingScot]

Look...! A Squirrel... :rolleye1:

"Tuskegee Airmen" was a ham-fisted reference--originating from a DC news conference--to "vaccination hestitancy" among minorities.

Listen at C-Span. :cool:

Yes--I knew that's what you meant when I called you out. As you so often do when discussing vaccines, you introduce all sorts of irrelevant, inflammatory, false stuff, such as implying that the problem is Black people.

Sure, there are some Black people who cant get past injustices out of their heads long enough to get vaccinated. I find this idiotic. But pick any newspaper any day, and you'll see the leaders of the anti vax movement are typically white, conservative, southern. I find these guys idiotic too.

Let's leave race out of it.

[Biggd]

So explain why you have vaccine hesitancy in NH... is it due to our extremely large minority resident population?

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news/local/pockets-of-vaccine-hesitancy-concern-public-health-officials/article_29cd3bc8-ee5b-11eb-aee8-877c99825990.htmlI guess it's the state motto, "live free or die". Most would rather die than than get the vaccine. :rolleye1:

[LoveLakeLife]

Freedom has always been more important than safety to most Americans. “Give me liberty or give me death” was meant literally.


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[trfour]

or, Continue to Live Free, and Get Your Vaccine!!

[John Mercier]

I doubt is ''Give me liberty or give me death"... or the Stark paraphrase of Patrick Henry "Live free for death is not the worst of all evils'' that lead to our State motto.

The facts are that capitalism always overcomes. During easy times people get soft, but when the worst hits... then its like an atheist in a foxhole.
All the push and pull that government at all levels tried to do, and what really got it rolling was strong transmission, hospitalization, and death.

In general, we are creatures of limited vision...

[ApS]

The first doctor I heard who was anti-vax, Dr. Zelensko:

"I am still fascinated by the approach of Sweden. They did minimal mitigation (no mask mandate, business allowed to continue except tourism/travel, etc), vaccinated and now, although having another wave, seem to be having a small wave with almost no deaths". https://www.wadeburleson.org/2021/08/dr-zelenko-speaks-to-jerusalem.html

Freedom has always been more important than safety to most Americans. “Give me liberty or give me death” was meant literally.
A former California Governor—an Austrian immigrant whose father was in the Wehrmacht—said yesterday,
"Screw your freedom". :eek2:

Y'suppose he wants The Mandate? The third dose is FDA-approved. :rolleye1:

Yes--I knew that's what you meant when I called you out. As you so often do when discussing vaccines, you introduce all sorts of irrelevant, inflammatory, false stuff, such as implying that the problem is Black people.

Sure, there are some Black people who cant get past injustices out of their heads long enough to get vaccinated. I find this idiotic. But pick any newspaper any day, and you'll see the leaders of the anti vax movement are typically white, conservative, southern. I find these guys idiotic too. Let's leave race out of it.
Your answer to the words found @ 30 seconds? (Following..."They're used to being experimented on...").

https://youtu.be/HCy4eUmlmFA

BTW: I'm vaccinated (and can prove it) so I'm not anti-vax, but a proponent of COVID-19 early treatment and prophylaxis—as my retired-activist Cardiologist is. (And thousands of other doctors worldwide).

Will Silicone Valley and New York City's Millennials run the entire show for us? Tell us what to believe? Omit thought? Forbid access? Ban? Drown-out? De-platform?

Are all these MDs to be continually blocked by "Social Media", as Dr. Rand Paul is?

Example:

[John Mercier]

So pretend your an actual capitalist and start your own platform, and build out the network...

[WinnisquamZ]

https://wmur.com/article/national-education-association-new-hampshire-teacher-covid-vaccine-requirement/37303124


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[ApS]

"NH teachers OK with being vaccinated". With other states, that message arrives with "...or weekly testing". (Implied in the link's article).

So pretend your an actual capitalist and start your own platform, and build out the network...
I doubt is ''Give me liberty or give me death"... or the Stark paraphrase of Patrick Henry "Live free for death is not the worst of all evils'' that lead [sic] to our State motto.
The facts are that capitalism always overcomes. During easy times people get soft, but when the worst hits... then its like an atheist in a foxhole. All the push and pull that government at all levels tried to do, and what really got it rolling was strong transmission, hospitalization, and death. In general, we are creatures of limited vision...After spending most of this lazy afternoon reviewing foreign news from the Anglosphere (England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand), I fear it is too late: "Freedom of Speech" is no longer recognized—except by The State and its media. :(

South Africa* is going the way of Zimbabwe*, New Zealand* and England* are falling to a distant "religiosity", and Australia suffers worse attacks on Freedom of Speech than the US:
*= "That place over there". (Who is buying-up US cropland).

Also led by their media: Australia's Sky News has been suspended by The Australian State for reporting on a certain laptop computer—now two!—that blackmails the USA leadership* sought by the rest of the free world.

Australia's NSW Health Minister, Dr. Chant said yesterday, "Not to talk to your neighbors, even with a mask" (https://notthebee.com/article/australian-health-official-tells-folks-to-not-talk-to-anyone-even--next-door-neighbor-in-the-shopping-center). :eek2:

Look for future examples of "Fear-Porn". :(

[John Mercier]

Freedom of Speech is not freedom to use others property as you wish.

[ApS]

I liked having a fact-checker in 1995, when Snopes came into existence.

Snopes did seem to punish those who were not on the left, though. What stupid conspiracy theories--easily debunked--I thought to myself: Snopes must be making them up, giving logical, well-resourced answers, and crowning themselves with glory worthy of The Party.

The New York Times reviewed Snopes' efforts with this:

"a quest to debunk misinformation online."
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/deansterlingjones/snopes-cofounder-plagiarism-mikkelson

So, what should happen yesterday, but a founding Snopes partner had been making-up at least 54 entries! :eek2:

He will still keep control of Snopes with 50% of ownership, but how many millions of people had been made fools of, by "The Fact-Checker of Record"? :eek:

"Critics also say Big Tech companies' control of social media and online searches endangers democracy by fostering divisiveness and spreading alarming conspiracy theories. The U.S. Department of Justice has sued Google..."
https://library.cqpress.com/cqresearcher/document.php?id=cqresrre2021050700


"Across the globe, Big Tech is in the regulatory and antitrust hot seat. The European Commission has launched two major initiatives–the Digital Markets Act & the Digital Services Act–to rein in digital platforms and protect consumers...With global momentum building, what can the United States learn from these European regulatory proposals?
https://www.publicknowledge.org/video/reining-in-big-tech-in-europe-and-america-what-us-policymakers-should-know/"

You see, the battle for Control involves keeping the fear of COVID-19 before The People all day...for...maybe years.

Those with cardiac concerns should be wary of COVID-19 vaccinations, including the subsequent boosters being discussed now. Too many injuries have been recorded to casually accept another jab. (And I say this as a stockholder).

Excepting the obese, for a disease that kills such a small percentage of the afflicted, the tightly-controlled drumbeat seems to be "working" into 2024. :(

[John Mercier]

https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-alerts-bulletins/ia_rumors.html

[ApS]

Please Read; https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pandemic-d-j-vu-limits-indoor-gatherings-are-back-so-n1276599
Considering the bedlam we reap upon ourselves, Sweden has managed remarkably well—in doing very little! :rolleye2:

https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-alerts-bulletins/ia_rumors.html
The site wants me to check-mark their boxes.

Which boxes should I check? :confused:

Please Read; https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/record-number-of-children-hospitalized-with-covid-19/ar-AANlAGm?ocid=msedgntp Hospitals stand to make a lot of money, but this page couldn't wait to bash the Governors of two states.

My broker also pushed MSN stock, so I'd file this MSN network under COVID-2024. :rolleye2:

[barefootbay]

Lots of libertarians.

[trfour]

We already know how to save lives, it's about convincing the rest!!

Read; https://www.nhpr.org/coronavirusblog

[ApS]

1) From the NPR article:
"The five deaths brings New Hampshire's overall COVID-19 death toll to 1,402. All five residents were 60 or older, with two from Belknap County, two from Hillsborough, and the fifth person from Sullivan County".

Were NH's deaths due to the lack of vaccinations, or to the administration of them? :confused:

'Asking, because this comes on the heels of "23 nursing-home deaths" following US-developed Pfizer vaccine jabs in Norway. :(
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/amp/story/international/shocking-23-elderly-patients-die-in-norway-after-pfizer-covid-vaccination-probe-launched

BTW:
I should correct my up-thread statement, as I don't own Moderna stocks.

2) A most interesting "vaccination bribe":

A recent vaccine, developed in Cuba, will be offered to tourists who visit the island nation and stay (presumably) in Cuba's newest hotels, according to NPR...
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/03/25/980789381/cubas-revolutionary-dream-making-its-own-covid-vaccine

[WinnisquamZ]

https://granitegrok.com/blog/2021/08/new-hampshire-your-latest-odds-of-surviving-covid19


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[trfour]

Among many other things that Bring Many other people here. There for it is in today's Pandemic, with all the different points of view, the very unfortunate amount of disinformation that can be spread, it is critical that we keep an eye out on other parts of our Country! As we all know, this Pandemic is far from over, and we need to get on the same page, so to speak.

Do the next right thing, Wash Hands, Ware Face Mask's and get Vaccinated!!

[LoveLakeLife]

Haha wash hands? It’s back to being transmissible bu touch now? One man’s disinformation is another man’s information.


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[joey2665]

Among many other things that Bring Many other people here. There for it is in today's Pandemic, with all the different points of view, the very unfortunate amount of disinformation that can be spread, it is critical that we keep an eye out on other parts of our Country! As we all know, this Pandemic is far from over, and we need to get on the same page, so to speak.

Do the next right thing, Wash Hands, Ware Face Mask's and get Vaccinated!!

You say there are different points of view yet you want everyone to do what you think is “next right thing”. Seems like a contradiction to me.


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[LoveLakeLife]

Wear face masks AND get vaccinated? I thought we heard that the latter obviated the former?


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[FlyingScot]

Wear face masks AND get vaccinated? I thought we heard that the latter obviated the former?


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Sadly, we've learned that both are important--in large part because not enough people are vaccinated.

One thing to keep in mind is that in many ways this is all brand new to our public health leaders. They give the best understanding they have, but often that understanding changes as new information comes in. That's just a basic reality with new science--it's not perfect, but it's the best we have.

What's not helpful is trolling public health leaders and/or opining for political or emotional reasons

[LoveLakeLife]

Nothing political or emotional about common sense, which isn’t brand new.


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[Seaplane Pilot]

Sadly, we've learned that both are important--in large part because not enough people are vaccinated.

One thing to keep in mind is that in many ways this is all brand new to our public health leaders. They give the best understanding they have, but often that understanding changes as new information comes in. That's just a basic reality with new science--it's not perfect, but it's the best we have.

What's not helpful is trolling public health leaders and/or opining for political or emotional reasons

"Leaders"? I hope your tongue is firmly implanted in your cheek when you refer to them as "leaders"....:rolleye1:

[trfour]

You say there are different points of view yet you want everyone to do what you think is “next right thing”. Seems like a contradiction to me.

This Pandemic is Not My Fault. And I am repeating what those who have studied and learned the truth about, Scientists, Doctors, you name it.

Going on 78 with some underlying health issues, I always listen to my Doctors.

[TKD]

What ever happened to “my body, my choice”? Seems like that doesn’t apply any longer pending on the position.

[John Mercier]

What ever happened to “my body, my choice”? Seems like that doesn’t apply any longer pending on the position.

Pregnancy is not a transmissible disease.

[FlyingScot]

What ever happened to “my body, my choice”? Seems like that doesn’t apply any longer pending on the position.

Nobody here has questioned a person's right to choose for themselves. Our society allows a person to do or not do a whole bunch of things with their bodies that other people think are poor choices. Just for example--most of us, even smokers, acknowledge that it is a poor choice to smoke two packs a day.

So sure, it's your choice to get a vaccine or not. But that does not mean that all choices are good ones