Bill Gates said " it will be"

[chasedawg]

Back in 2015 Bill Gates made several presentations as to what was to come and we are not prepared. Here is his 8 minute talk.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-warned-us-covid-19-like-pandemic-watch-ted-talk-2015/.

[JEEPONLY]

Pretty incredible!- Thank you.

[chasedawg]

Pretty incredible!- Thank you.

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

[Hillcountry]

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

[Garcia]

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

He's given away over $30 billion

[Hillcountry]

He's given away over $30 billion

Well, that’s a blanket statement! Do you mean he has “given away” billions to help the USA be better prepared for his “viral” prediction?

All billionaires give away money to charities for tax relief...

[rsmlp]

Well, that’s a blanket statement! Do you mean he has “given away” billions to help the USA be better prepared for his “viral” prediction?

All billionaires give away money to charities for tax relief...

What a completely ignorant thing to write. How much "tax relief" do you think billionaires need? Not Billions!

[Flylady]

He also met with Trump in NYC before inauguration to discuss pandemic issues he was concerned with and what work the foundation had done in working with the prior two flu waves. Look up his review of that meeting.

[Hillcountry]

What a completely ignorant thing to write. How much "tax relief" do you think billionaires need? Not Billions!

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

[TheProfessor]

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Seriously. It might be time to read up on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Giving away $45 billion dollars (not millions) is a lot of money. Taxes is the last thing that Bill Gates has to worry about.

But please read up on the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

The foundation does have a Mission Statement.
With a mission statement - that is what the foundation does.

The foundation Mission Statement will state what the foundation does and what it does not do.

[Garcia]

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Some billionaires do try and hide money. I think Bill Gates isn't one of them.

[JEEPONLY]

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers?

Made me think of this thread.

[chasedawg]

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Wait... where are you taking this thread... The theme of the video was to imply and correctly so... Wake up America you are about to get slammed with a virus that will kill thousands. You are not prepared.

Who should have listened to this warning? I don't care what political party. The message was wake up it is coming at you. Be forewarned. But no one believed this could happen.

Listen to the video again....TED is the organization sponsor. Why did this fall by the way side. No one or organization promote that this could happen. But it did!

[chasedawg]

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

Really... a talking head. He tried to alert our government. No one listened. And here we are five years later.... thousands dying every day. But no one listened. Probably because he is a billionaire and is promoting his theory to his benefit. What went wrong here? This should not have happened. Did his message not get heard?

[Hillcountry]

Really... a talking head. He tried to alert our government. No one listened. And here we are five years later.... thousands dying every day. But no one listened. Probably because he is a billionaire and is promoting his theory to his benefit. What went wrong here? This should not have happened. Did his message not get heard?

Hmmm... and exactly whom was large and in charge of our country then? I guess hope and change “trumped” gates’ dire predictions...

[Glendale Deli Boy]

Pffft. So why didn’t he dedicate some of his billions to us being more prepared. Just a talking head IMO...

This is lame. At least take a few seconds to educate yourself before posting such a silly attack against a guy who has donated upwards of 30 billion dollars to good causes all over the world. A talking head? Makes zero sense if you have the slightest clue as to what this guy has been doing with his billions over the last many years.

Sure, all are entitled to opinions but don’t just drag down the discourse of this forum with this drivel. You can do better.

[Lakegeezer]

We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

[Hillcountry]

This is lame. At least take a few seconds to educate yourself before posting such a silly attack against a guy who has donated upwards of 30 billion dollars to good causes all over the world. A talking head? Makes zero sense if you have the slightest clue as to what this guy has been doing with his billions over the last many years.

Sure, all are entitled to opinions but don’t just drag down the discourse of this forum with this drivel. You can do better.

Sorry...I can't swallow the "grape juice" of the world of billionaire "foundations"
Drink up, sheeple! :laugh:

[JEEPONLY]

We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

While there is truth in what you say, it simply proves the fact that there are two sides to every coin.

Consider:
-The Gates video still makes Trump's statement of the virus being unpredictable sound foolish.
-What if heeding the prediction was the coin side chosen?

[FlyingScot]

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.

[ApS]

This is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared.
Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first.
It does make one think! :(

[birchhaven]

You can find people warning us about a lot of things as humans we tend to do nothing till it is in the now.

For example how many people think Nasa is a waste of money? Know how many times people have warned that eventually a giant rock is going to hit earth as a statical eventuality.

[Hillcountry]

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.
Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

[gillygirl]

For example how many people think Nasa is a waste of money? Know how many times people have warned that eventually a giant rock is going to hit earth as a statical eventuality.

You do realize NASA does much more than space exploration. They’re also involved with the development of the sensors placed on environmental satellites, as well as the launching of those satellites.


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[FlyingScot]

Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

I agree. The tax dodges by some wealthy people and corporations are outrageous. When companies have gigantic departments dedicated to figuring out how to reduce tax liabilities, something's really messed up

[jeffk]

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?

[cessnaair]

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

[Seaplane Pilot]

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

In addition to cooking the books, they cooked jobs, businesses, livelihoods and mental stability. The repercussions of this crafty “cooking” will be overwhelming beyond belief.

[Biggd]

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

[VitaBene]

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?
Thank you for typing out my thoughts. There is no way to be prepared for every possible threat we face. I do believe we can be better prepared to react.

[FlyingScot]

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

[VitaBene]

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

[birchhaven]

You do realize NASA does much more than space exploration. They’re also involved with the development of the sensors placed on environmental satellites, as well as the launching of those satellites.


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Yes, but that is not the point I am making. I am simply saying there are a million things we should be better prepared for but no one wants to spend the money or effort until the problem is in the here and now.

[FlyingScot]

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

[Newbiesaukee]

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

I will give my definitive answer on September 1; although I reserve the right to label this date as aspirational.

[VitaBene]

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

A. I was not referring to anyone on this forum. I certainly am not talking to or about you. Not sure how you even stretch that far unless you believe yourself guilty of it.

B. I said "now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn" meaning that I sure hope that some people get to crow that it was not that bad, over-hyped, etc because then less people will have died.

You never had an original question with me, but I will answer. Do I agree with all of the policy decisions made by Trump? No. Do I agree with some? Yes. Fingers are going to be pointed in many directions over the next few years, should be interesting.

We are never going to be prepared for everything, it is impossible. But we can be better prepared to react decisively and quickly. We can have general processes in place that can be adapted to an emergency situation of most any type. Easier said than done, and the bigger the organization, the more difficult the task.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but I am tired of all of the coulda, shoulda, would haves being slung all over the news, FB, and here on this forum.

[Biggd]

I said it a month ago, that if everyone who was complaining about shutting down the economy get's to say "I told you so" then we know we got it right.
We saved a lot of lives but for some people that's not equitable.

[cessnaair]

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

[gravy boat]

Agree. So let's say the "Big One" comes in the next month - perhaps the Cascadian subduction zone ( a magnitude 9.0 event happened in 1700) or one of the numerous faults through CA. Are we prepared? How do you prepare for something that may or may not happen in your lifetime - with absolutely no firm data indicating the date or severity? Yes, pandemics and natural disasters happen - but predicting and preparing for all of them is the challenge.


We tend to ignore warnings. On a personal level, many ignore the warnings about smoking, overeating, lack of exercise and the list could go on. As a collective, warnings about big things, like earthquakes, stock markets and pandemics. The attitude seems to be "deal with it if and when it comes". Will we change? Probably not.

Many are warning about the impact of climate change, yet at the personal and collective levels, most plan to deal with it if and when it comes. If climate predictions come true, we'll be posting videos of famous people crying out the warning from as far back as the 1970's, wondering why nobody did anything about it. That's the way we are.

The world didn't prepare for a pandemic. We saved a lot of money that way. But, here it is, so now we have to deal with it. It would have been a lot cheaper to prepare for it, but who knew?

[gravy boat]

SThis is incredible. We were warned just five years ago that a virus would happen and take over the world. There would be millions of deaths. and we are not prepared. Don't worry about nuclear war...the virus will kill us first

To date 105,525 deaths reported - Worldwide. Quite a way to go to get to millions.
To date 18,586 deaths in the United States.

[FlyingScot]

A. I was not referring to anyone on this forum. I certainly am not talking to or about you. Not sure how you even stretch that far unless you believe yourself guilty of it.

B. I said "now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn" meaning that I sure hope that some people get to crow that it was not that bad, over-hyped, etc because then less people will have died.

You never had an original question with me, but I will answer. Do I agree with all of the policy decisions made by Trump? No. Do I agree with some? Yes. Fingers are going to be pointed in many directions over the next few years, should be interesting.

We are never going to be prepared for everything, it is impossible. But we can be better prepared to react decisively and quickly. We can have general processes in place that can be adapted to an emergency situation of most any type. Easier said than done, and the bigger the organization, the more difficult the task.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but I am tired of all of the coulda, shoulda, would haves being slung all over the news, FB, and here on this forum.

I assumed you meant me because you posted directly below a post in which I was critical of Trump.

I agree on the difficulty of all this for the government.

One interesting thing though is that we both believe the past couple of weeks has made it obvious that we were right and the other side will have to concede it was wrong. I've put up a bunch of posts that assert it's become clear that the shutdown was right and/or that Trump believes in it. Your latest post seems to say it's now clear the shutdown was wrong.

[FlyingScot]

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

[JEEPONLY]

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Your meaning is well expressed, and taken.

I would suggest that the President's job, however, is to make the BEST DECISION (not RIGHT DECISION he/she can make) based on...

Also- Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Some called it treasonous. This, too, was/is historic in scope. Considering the times, was this the RIGHT/BEST DECISION? Was he a fool?

[garysanfran]

My liberal friends have told me Obama was one year ahead of Bill Gates...

If true, he did nothing?

[radar4401]

I'd like to throw out a few thoughts after reading on this subject recently. There is a Strategic Defense Supply designated for just such occurrences. However it was depleted during the last two pandemics and not filled during the budget sequestration during Obama's term. Also, a lot of the items have expiration dates on them so they need to be replenished if not used. Kinda catch 22 situation. I remember they had to waiver the expiration date on N95 masks taken out of storage in order to use them. Plenty of blame to go around.

[ApS]

My liberal friends have told me Obama was one year ahead of Bill Gates...If true, he did nothing?

US taxpayers helped fund the Wuhan virus:
:eek:

"Lawmakers and pressure groups were quick to hit out at U.S. funding being provided for the 'dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8211291/U-S-government-gave-3-7million-grant-Wuhan-lab-experimented-coronavirus-source-bats.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

Video, but not "that other" Epoch Times video:

https://www.brighteon.com/c2b4f632-725c-478c-afa3-8d27f4d980b6

[Hillcountry]

So...more and more news now coming to light that US scientists working along with Chinese scientists cabled home for monetary assistance to help “tighten up”
hazardous conditions at the Wuhan China labs in fear that “something dangerous” might escape...I wonder if Bill Gates knew something about this “work” in order to be able to predict it to happen? Hmmm...time will tell. Stay tuned...

[AB_Monterey]

and yet, Bill can't keep windows virus free. :rolleye2:

[ApS]

EMT, responding to addresses where people were "showing signs"...responded by sending those citizens back into their houses. :eek:

NY TIMES:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/health/coronavirus-emt-workers.html?action=click&module=moreIn&pgtype=Article&region=Footer&action=click&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=Article&region=Footer&contentCollection=Health

Now, will those now-awesome numbers of "died at home" be counted as Wuhan-virus?

[JEEPONLY]

So...more and more news now coming to light that US scientists working along with Chinese scientists cabled home for monetary assistance to help “tighten up”
hazardous conditions at the Wuhan China labs in fear that “something dangerous” might escape...I wonder if Bill Gates knew something about this “work” in order to be able to predict it to happen? Hmmm...time will tell. Stay tuned...

I'm not one to care about peoples' previous post histories, but my feeling here is this post is beneath you- kinda trollish.

Just saying.

[Hillcountry]

I'm not one to care about peoples' previous post histories, but my feeling here is this post is beneath you- kinda trollish.

Just saying.

It’s NEWS Mr Jeep...just news...and it’s all coming to light.
No troll here...no more than anyone else.

[AB_Monterey]

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Yeah, actually the governors shut down the states.

[ApS]

I'd like to throw out a few thoughts after reading on this subject recently. There is a Strategic Defense Supply designated for just such occurrences. However it was depleted during the last two pandemics and not filled during the budget sequestration during Obama's term. Also, a lot of the items have expiration dates on them so they need to be replenished if not used. Kinda catch 22 situation. I remember they had to waiver the expiration date on N95 masks taken out of storage in order to use them. Plenty of blame to go around.
New England Patriots private jet flew a million N-95 masks in from China. (Not sure if they've turned out to be the less effective KN-95 masks).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-million-n95-masks-are-coming-from-chinaon-board-the-new-england-patriots-plane-11585821600

[fatlazyless]

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? .... :patriot:

[Paugus Bay Resident]

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers?

George Bush did in 2005, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spcj6KUr4aA

[Lakegeezer]

Trevor Noah of The Daily Show did a 22 minute interview Bill Gates on April 2. The YouTube recording is here https://youtu.be/iyFT8qXcOrM The topic of his prediction comes up almost right away.

The interview gave me good insight about what has to be done, how long it will take and what things will be like till then. Gates goes into the nuances of the problem, not just the sound bites or the same old stuff we've been hearing for a month. A few points that I took from the interview.....

There isn't a choice between lives and the economy. Regulations or not, as of now, 80% of people will choose to not mingle. The other 20% can't support the economy.

If we went back to normal (imagine concerts and sporting events), the virus would go back to doubling every 3 days.

People won't be fully comfortable until after vaccines are available. Global comfort will require global distribution. Gates predicts this will start in 12-18 months and finish within a few years. I hope his models are conservative.

Test results within 24 hours, is key to starting back towards normal. This will prevent exponential growth. There is a lot of work being done here and results should be accelerating by early summer. Crowded events will still not be common.

Most governments don't know or aren't efficient enough to ramp up the testing and vaccine manufacturing process quickly, which is why the Gates foundation stepped in to hasten the bootstrap. Gates believes that government funding will ramp up vaccine volume once the right tests and drugs are proven. He mentions that a few billion invested to save a trillion is worth it. His laugh is priceless as he explains that a trillion is 1000 billion.

Masks will likely be commonplace, once manufacturing catches up.

Some countries, especially third world, will be shunned until they make it through the process of distributing the vaccine (where 1-3% of the population will still catch it) or herd immunity (60-80% need to catch it).

For me, the nuances and Gates' deep experience is what makes this interview worth watching. He's a rich guy with a passion about epidemics and global health in general. While Bill Gates had my ire while he was a ruthless business person at Microsoft, I have a lot of respect and trust in what he is doing now.

[JEEPONLY]

It’s NEWS Mr Jeep...just news...and it’s all coming to light.
No troll here...no more than anyone else.

Some of your post may have been news.
It was the "I wonder if Bill Gates knew something..." that isn't news, and rang negatively.

I don't think you are a troll, at all- which is why I used the term "trollish".

It's all good- lots of opinions floating around here, there and everywhere!

[JEEPONLY]

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? .... :patriot:

So... how long before Dennis Rodman starts taking credit for all the PPE from China?

[SAMIAM]

Trevor Noah of The Daily Show did a 22 minute interview Bill Gates on April 2. The YouTube recording is here https://youtu.be/iyFT8qXcOrM The topic of his prediction comes up almost right away.

The interview gave me good insight about what has to be done, how long it will take and what things will be like till then. Gates goes into the nuances of the problem, not just the sound bites or the same old stuff we've been hearing for a month. A few points that I took from the interview.....

There isn't a choice between lives and the economy. Regulations or not, as of now, 80% of people will choose to not mingle. The other 20% can't support the economy.

If we went back to normal (imagine concerts and sporting events), the virus would go back to doubling every 3 days.

People won't be fully comfortable until after vaccines are available. Global comfort will require global distribution. Gates predicts this will start in 12-18 months and finish within a few years. I hope his models are conservative.

Test results within 24 hours, is key to starting back towards normal. This will prevent exponential growth. There is a lot of work being done here and results should be accelerating by early summer. Crowded events will still not be common.

Most governments don't know or aren't efficient enough to ramp up the testing and vaccine manufacturing process quickly, which is why the Gates foundation stepped in to hasten the bootstrap. Gates believes that government funding will ramp up vaccine volume once the right tests and drugs are proven. He mentions that a few billion invested to save a trillion is worth it. His laugh is priceless as he explains that a trillion is 1000 billion.

Masks will likely be commonplace, once manufacturing catches up.

Some countries, especially third world, will be shunned until they make it through the process of distributing the vaccine (where 1-3% of the population will still catch it) or herd immunity (60-80% need to catch it).

For me, the nuances and Gates' deep experience is what makes this interview worth watching. He's a rich guy with a passion about epidemics and global health in general. While Bill Gates had my ire while he was a ruthless business person at Microsoft, I have a lot of respect and trust in what he is doing now.


Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's
I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

[Lakegeezer]

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's. I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet
While I wasn't familiar with Gates' position on GMO's, its worth a look. Not a black and white issue, but not supported by a premise based on his position on depopulation.

The negative interpretation of Gates' depopulation comment is one that appears to originate from unscrupulous reporting. Snopes (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-gates-vaccinations-depopulation/)rates that position as false. According to Snopes, the malicious spin was reported by NewsPunch, a conspiracy rag, and spread like a virus from there. As usual, nuances matter. Depopulation can be the result of many things, including famine, war, disease or choice. Choice is good, right? Freedom and all that! Gates meant choice. Vaccines, along with a stable food supply, leads to lower child mortality, which leads people to choose to have fewer "spare" children. Voila, gradual depopulation. The article falsely said that Gates wants to kill 350,000 people per day, leading many to associate Gates with the bad ways the world might depopulate.

As with many conspiracy theories, there is a grain of truth that mutates into clickbait fallacies. Insidious, but all too common.

There will be wariness about Covid-19 vaccines, especially in the first year or two. Everyone will have to weigh the risks, including their age and medical conditions, along with how prevalent the virus is once the vaccines are available.

Since all postings here should have a lakes region spin, let's look at the impact of depopulation on our area. Build-out analysis, looking 50 years out, implies that the lake water quality and rural character cannot be sustained. Something has to give. Many parts of the world are having similar problems. Long term, population growth does not appear to be sustainable. Reducing growth by choice, rather than by war, depression and disease is an attractive alternative.

[jeffk]

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.

[thinkxingu]

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.Nailed it.
The problem with Common Core is that it was built from the top down, which appears to be Gates' MO. I mean, doesn't that explain every terrible user experience on Microsoft platforms? Anyone remember Millennium Edition?!

Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)

[JEEPONLY]

Bill Gates is also behind pushing Common Core education. I won't debate the merits of the ideas but I will say the implementation of it has been a ineffective mess. My wife is a teacher and they are still struggling as to WHAT exactly Common Core is and HOW it can be implemented.

You might say that is due to the politicians and bureaucrats but when you drop transformative concepts onto society, you have some responsibility to provide an instruction manual and at least beta test your concepts.

Gates is polished, good at selling himself, and convincing but his "vision" isn't always on track and his "products" don't always work as designed.

And you're dissing Bill Gates because...?

[FlyingScot]

And you're dissing Bill Gates because...?

Agreed. Nobody's perfect (and Windows kind of sucks, haha). But he did enormous work for the revolution in computers, and he's dedicating billions to help solve some of our toughest problems.

[JEEPONLY]

Agreed. Nobody's perfect (and Windows kind of sucks, haha). But he did enormous work for the revolution in computers, and he's dedicating billions to help solve some of our toughest problems.

I understand the concerns with Common Core- but the two "education" posts (respectfully noted from educator families) seem way off topic in this thread.

Maybe you computer more than I do, but Windows is comfortable for me!

[ApS]

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's. I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS: :eek:

"I had never heard of this “Gain of Function” research but add that to “escaped from containment” and suddenly the entire thing becomes clear. This virus in NOT from Nature. It is a manipulated “Gain of Function” virus. Not found in nature. Which is why it is quantum levels above contagiousness and lethality over “wild Coronavirus” which, as my old text books said, “not felt to represent significant clinical disease.”

My reading about “Gain of Function” Research has pretty well convinced me this is a manipulated virus. Perhaps not an “engineered bioweapon” but a “Super Bug” created as a research tool. A tool realized to be SO dangerous we had a moratorium on research with it here from 2016 until 2019. Research that curiously now we discover to be funded by Bill Gates and George Soros (and the nIH, of course).

[garysanfran]

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? .... :patriot:

You ain't drivin' from anywhere in California to Boston in 36 hrs...No matter how many drivers you have.

One year ago today, I left San Francisco and drove to Meredith posting the experience on the Forum...Well over 3,400 miles. Took me 5 1/2 days driving more than 10 hrs/day...It was fun then.

[Mr. V]

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Impossible, can't be done by a semi-truck.

You might be thinking of the original so-called "cannonball run."

Brock Yates and Dan Gurney drove a Ferrari Daytona coupe cross country

in a hair less than 36 hours.

They averaged 80 miles per hour and, on one deserted stretch, reached a top

speed of 172 miles per hour.

They made it from Manhattan to Redondo Beach, Calif., in 35 hours and 54 minutes.

[FlyingScot]

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS: :eek:

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

[JEEPONLY]

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stUZ5Ehfo28

[ApS]

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when? :rolleye1:

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?
The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

"It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. Coronaviruses usually can’t cause “significant human disease”. Since this is a “Gain of Function” Super Bug made in a lab now it’s in the wild it is already attenuating. It sounds like the CFR in January in China was a lot higher than 5%. So at 1 generation a day in about 100 generations it has already lost a lot of it’s “punch”. It “might” keep attenuating right down to the usual “native” lethality of Coronavirus which is “wimp”. IOW this may be why they felt they could “play” with this bug, it’s a wimp. Who knows? Another 100 generations and the CFR could be half what it is now. And again as much in another 100 generations. It ain’t the “world killer” but it is one hell of a wake up".

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

[FlyingScot]

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when? :rolleye1:


The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:



He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

[TheProfessor]

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Have to agree. Or maybe joking.

Reminds of the skit where John Cleese is attempting to get a fishing license for his pet fish named Eric.

"I am not a Loonie".

FISHING LICENSE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2maz36_q6Fk)

[ApS]

Impossible, can't be done by a semi-truck.

You might be thinking of the original so-called "cannonball run."

Brock Yates and Dan Gurney drove a Ferrari Daytona coupe cross country

in a hair less than 36 hours.

They averaged 80 miles per hour and, on one deserted stretch, reached a top

speed of 172 miles per hour.

They made it from Manhattan to Redondo Beach, Calif., in 35 hours and 54 minutes.

Thanks to the this year's virus and empty roadways, the record is now just 25 hours.

("Unofficial").

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?
Since nothing specific was part of the above question, I suspect this paragraph is in contention for "drivel"?

"Perhaps not an “engineered bioweapon” but a “Super Bug” created as a research tool. A tool realized to be SO dangerous we had a moratorium on research with it here from 2016 until 2019. Research that curiously now we discover to be funded by Bill Gates and George Soros (and the nIH, of course)".

I'd already opined (earlier) that the U.S. taxpayer had a part in developing the COVID-19 virus. Now it's seen that as fact. :eek2:

So—which part is "drivel"?

[Biggd]

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money! :laugh::laugh:

[JEEPONLY]

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money! :laugh::laugh:

Dare I say that's embarrassing to FLL!

[ApS]

Watching the news tonight Trump said- No one saw this coming-no one could have predicted this! Isn't this why high-profile people have a bank of researchers? Made me think of this thread.

American taxpayers paid for it during a "scandal-free" administration:

"We applaud President Donald Trump for taking swift and decisive action to ensure that American taxpayers are not forced to pay for wasteful and treacherous animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute of Virology,"
—https://pjmedia.com/trending/obamas-nih-sent-3-7m-to-wuhan-lab-where-coronavirus-may-have-originated-trumps-stopping-it/

[chasedawg]

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when? :rolleye1:

The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?

[ApS]

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed. :rolleye2:

[FlyingScot]

CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed. :rolleye2:

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

[Top-Water]

Time to kill this thread , its turned into nonsense.

[chasedawg]

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

A highly contagious virus, expected to kill thousands of Americans, can't be expected to result in many smiley-faced responses.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

Look up Merkel/Stasi for yourself, but knowing German helps comprehension. Or try "Images" to get the drift from the EU and the UK.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

But if this Army physician's opinion appears later in a "Bubble" publication, it'd be all right? Since when can't we use logic and reason to evaluate what we encounter on the Internet? Let youthful and foreign PC "journalists" decide for us?

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

I know "'Dr.' Phil" from brief segments, but my Trinitron TV has been stored in the attic for 20 years. I wouldn't pit a PhD. against an M.D. on any occasion.

What would be "dangerous" would be to have Michelle or Oprah in the line of Presidential succession. (In discussions presently, and with millions from the Coronavirus Stimulus sent to open a PBS show).

https://pics.me.me/defense-ministers-of-swed-ihe-en-norway-the-netherlands-and-36296960.png

OK... this is enoug APS many have had enough...you posts are very confusing. time to shut down and out!

[chasedawg]

Time to kill this thread , its turned into nonsense.

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

[chasedawg]

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

I started this thread...and unfortnutely it has gone totally off the tracks and into
nonsense.
Time to make common sense and help bring uplifting comments.

[Top-Water]

You can see by the recent posted images there is a lot of anger here. The thread started out ok ....... but its so far off track now it can not be saved.

I do not want to elaborate beyond this.

[ApS]

Back in 2015 Bill Gates made several presentations as to what was to come and we are not prepared. Here is his 8 minute talk.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-warned-us-covid-19-like-pandemic-watch-ted-talk-2015/.

Here are listed 20 books warning of pandemics:

https://www-vulture-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.vulture.com/amp/article/best-pandemic-books.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15875247859053&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vulture.com%2Farticle%2 Fbest-pandemic-books.html

What makes Bill Gates' recent revelations so special?

[Top-Water]

OK... this is enoug APS many have had enough...your posts are very confusing. time to shut down and out!

As already mentioned ........

[ApS]

I started this thread...and unfortnutely it has gone totally off the tracks and into nonsense. Time to make common sense and help bring uplifting comments.
It was the cartoon, right? :rolleye2:

We've been given a long leash in this COVID-19 forum, and I still hope to read a retort by member FlyingScot.

Instead, the easily-confused intend to prevail over those who think their local governments have stepped on their Constitutional Rights.

The MSM show video from an Italian hospital, and present the images as New York City hospitals.

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").

https://images.app.goo.gl/UE2BKxKb7vgbEthT7

Surfers, strollers, hikers, picnickers and fishermen are banned, and the right to "peaceably assemble" is exercised at state capitols. (But called "demonstrations").

I think Americans have the right to be offended by government proclamations. It's impossible to keep politics out of such egregious and unnecessary regulation.

It's sad that Americans will continue to die from COVID-19, but Europe (affected first) is stabilizing.

Sweden, which kept restaurants open, and has retained its excellent economy, is being rewarded for doing practically nothing against COVID-19!

It appears that Dr. Knut Wittkowski has been right all this time.
:look:

[tis]

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").

Really? Why doesn't that surprise me?

[coolyourjets]

It was the cartoon, right? :rolleye2:

We've been given a long leash in this COVID-19 forum, and I still hope to read a retort by member FlyingScot.

Instead, the easily-confused intend to prevail over those who think their local governments have stepped on their Constitutional Rights.

The MSM show video from an Italian hospital, and present the images as New York City hospitals.

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").

https://images.app.goo.gl/UE2BKxKb7vgbEthT7

Surfers, strollers, hikers, picnickers and fishermen are banned, and the right to "peaceably assemble" is exercised at state capitols. (But called "demonstrations").

I think Americans have the right to be offended by government proclamations. It's impossible to keep politics out of such egregious and unnecessary regulation.

It's sad that Americans will continue to die from COVID-19, but Europe (affected first) is stabilizing.

Sweden, which kept restaurants open, and has retained its excellent economy, is being rewarded for doing practically nothing against COVID-19!

It appears that Dr. Knut Wittkowski has been right all this time.
:look:

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.

[garysanfran]

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.

"We choose truth over facts"! ... Joe Biden, August 2019, in a speech in Iowa.:laugh:

[bchbum]

Who knew his foundation would be infecting us. Wow

[ApS]

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.
My chosen ideology combines Logic and Reason.

Yours? :rolleye2:

Bill Gates (and Melinda) are very concerned and tell us what to expect; for example, a renewal of the virus in the fall. :(

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-life-lockdown-will-really-take-defeat-first-modern-pandemic/

[ApS]

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that. But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example. On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor.
You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army. Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.
The discussions have been long and (after a fashion) peer-reviewed by several others at the same forum. This particular quote does not involve [Retired Army doctor], but it includes a salute to his knowledge located at many other threads, plus attempting to educate thousands at this forum who are not inclined towards medicine.

Now that I think of it, the forum is mostly US military men and women who speak of China as our existential enemy. (Just as I do).

Since I am not a medical clinician, perhaps others here can confirm the validity of the text below. (Which is tiny portion of the hundreds of COVID-19 threads going on there).

My comments are , and there were a few typos which I've corrected:


"For some time now, one of our dear friends and heroes here, [Retired Army doctor], a retired clinician, has been mocking the idea of zinc ionophores, which he calls “zinc pores” and likening the idea to homeopathic quackery. This does not bother me in the slightest and I only hope to get at the truth.

He has made an argument that he thinks is conclusive which I might summarize as “because homeostasis.” “Go read up on zinc homeostasis!” Also in one of his comments he gives a brief summary of evidence of zinc homeostasis in the body. There is of course no doubt about the phenomenon. In fact he might have pointed out that the mechanism we are describing requires an amount of labile zinc the amount of which, in interstitial tissues, is effectively NONE!

I figure he knows something I do not know about this, so I have been all around researching. I have included reading about cancer research including using pyrithione as ionophore since all of that work would also be obviated by the “because homeostasis” argument. Wei-Qun Ding and Stuart Ling in a paper from November 2009 imagine a whole new class of anti-cancer drugs.

I have really enjoyed my study and was delighted to find hope regarding what I considered to be the two real problems in this work, namely how do you target only the compromised cells, and how do you get the effect you want without killing all the cells. At Leiden University in 2010, Snijder and van Hemert got the effect on many viruses including nidoviruses like SARS-CoV without cytotoxicity!

There is a lot of interest in zinc as in some situations and cells it signals apoptosis [cell death] and in others it stops it. You can turn it on and off depending on what you put with it, crucial in dealing with cancer cells. (They are a long way from this being practical.) But I cannot find anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get free Zn++’s to the site “because homeostasis.” There is talk about nitric oxide dramatically increasing the levels of reactive zinc intracellularly. They used zinc hydroxide and zinc acetate always assuming that the Zn++ had to be provided with the ionophore.

Zinc Homeostasis would be the reason zinc must be provided if our theory of therapeutic effect is at all reasonable.

Please tell me where I am going wrong. [B]Also everyone please understand that I consider [Retired Army doctor] to be among the finest friends on this forum, a hero, a patriot, an example to us all for whom I have the deepest respect though I have never met him personally."

It was at this same site that I found the "Copy and Carry This Proven Procedure" Winni thread-starter.

I sent that link to a neighbor, a doctor. She replied, as below:

[ApS]

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

[JEEPONLY]

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/20911488/bill-gates-foundation-jeffrey-epstein-meetings

From Flying Scott- As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Someone tells someone else that I know you (even though only through this forum), which I don't.

If/when it got published (by you?), will/should I be shunned?

[debbyi64]

Some billionaires do try and hide money. I think Bill Gates isn't one of them.



Unlike Mr. Trump


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[Hillcountry]

Unlike Mr. Trump


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Still your President! Unlike Mr. Obama

[Biggd]

Still your President! Unlike Mr. Obama
At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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[Hillcountry]

At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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Lol...still triggered after all these years...
I, for one don’t care if anyone ever “releases” their tax returns. Businessmen and politicians alike would love to keep their dirty laundry hidden for a myriad of reasons. Can’t blame them.

[TiltonBB]

At least he Obama released his tax returns as all others presidents in the past have.

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Who cares? If he took every legal deduction and jumped through hoops to pay the minimum amount of taxes he could wouldn't that make him smarter than most people? The only reason people get hung up on Trumps tax returns from a few years ago is hoping to find something that they can point to as another reason to dislike him.

I really don't care what has happened in the past, I am only concerned that the office holder have the ability to get things done that improve the country.

The Federal Government is a huge, complex, thing to run. I would rather have someone who has experience running something complex with multiple divisions and millions of employees than a smooth talking politician who has never run anything, even a Kool Aid stand.

[Biggd]

I care,
he obviously has something to hide. If everything was legal and above board then he shouldn't care if they are made public.

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[ApS]

Who knew his foundation would be infecting us. Wow
Even worse.

The WHO panel that recommended against HCQ are majority-aligned with Remsenavir manufacturer Gilead.

https://defyccc.com/covid-19-panel-gilead-ties/