When does it end? How can it?

[Jersey Bob]

Lol...Dan, I believe that would be the “toilet effect”
Someone should go snorkeling there with some kind of test kit...

Sounds like you are volunteering!

[Hillcountry]

Sounds like you are volunteering!

Nope, not me! :D

[ApS]

This analyst, who has recorded every piece of Covid-19 data (worldwide, and US county-by-county) has come to today's conclusions:
Sweden and the rest of Europe is doing poorly, but even "successful" Denmark hasn't conquered the disease.

The author continues:

There’s only one thing I mind about elevated testing.

Test all you want, but if you uncover twice as many positives by testing twice as much as usual, be sure to disclose that. Don’t blame it on the spread of the disease.

If you find elevated positive testing percentages, be sure to disclose that as well.

If we look back at the immediate skyrocketing of the disease up until we sheltered in place, it’s crystal clear the sheltering in place really slowed the disease.

I had hoped we would see folks be careful about taking precautions after us all having to be in the home for several months. Then the braintrusts got out there and refused to social distance and wear masks.


Well, here we are. Most of the benefits of sheltering in place are going to be unraveled now in short order.

I also expected some increase in the disease after we opened up, but we’re headed toward doubling the numbers in about a week and a half.

You almost have to work at it to do that much damage.

[thinkxingu]

As I see it:
1. Virus is a thing.
2. Quarantine to "flatten the curve."
3. New information = virus spread can be kept in check if socially distant/wear mask/wash hands and sanitize/don't touch, or sneeze in, faces.
4. Some states: "let's open intelligently and with guidelines." Other states: "screw that ish, I need to parrrr-tayyyy!"
5. Some states: "Our Covid numbers have plummeted." Other states: "Our Covid numbers have skyrocketed."

Weird.

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[rsmlp]

To date, The lakes region has largely escaped Covid cases but as we're seeing in many places especially TX, CA, FL an AZ, cases are exploding to new highs. We do NOT want that in around here. THE simplest way to avoid that is distance and masks. Period. And please save me the nonsense about Dr "fraud". Science and facts are had to argue with. If you're inside a public place please wear a mask or avoid that public place.

Unfortunately it looks like a second wave (first for many) and we don't want to participate!!

[Pricestavern]

As Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) put it: "...everyone should just wear a damn mask"

[thinkxingu]

MA DESE just released "guidelines" (not requirements) for returning to school in fall. Rough summary: 3' minimum distance, masks for grade 2+ and adults, avoid mixing groups as much as possible (lunch in room/classes stay together), no maximum group size.

Interesting start...

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[dickiej]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do ".
I've see interesting psychological profiles of those type people....the same people who disregard signs "area closed" and go in anyway...

[gravy boat]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do ".
I've see interesting psychological profiles of those type people....the same people who disregard signs "area closed" and go in anyway...

What do the psych profiles say? Are you will to share details? I'd be interested, since you brought it up...

[thinkxingu]

Looks like things are going well in Florida.

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[Susie Cougar]

Yes, think. Florida had over 9000 cases yesterday. The numbers went from 2000 people a day to 3000 to 5000 and now we’re almost at 10,000 people a day. Almost 15% of people being tested now are positive. The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31. When the bars and restaurants opened up, young people saw it as a green light. Also, they hit the gyms and were not wearing masks because the governor won’t make it a requirement. Many cities are now requiring masks and people are fighting back. I don’t see how this can ever end.

[gillygirl]

Yes, think. Florida had over 9000 cases yesterday. The numbers went from 2000 people a day to 3000 to 5000 and now we’re almost at 10,000 people a day. Almost 15% of people being tested now are positive. The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31. When the bars and restaurants opened up, young people saw it as a green light. Also, they hit the gyms and were not wearing masks because the governor won’t make it a requirement. Many cities are now requiring masks and people are fighting back. I don’t see how this can ever end.

Bars closed in Florida immediately due to the 8900 new cases reported today.


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[Biggd]

Looks like things are going well in Florida.

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And Texas.

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[WinnisquamZ]

Restaurants remain open at 50% capacity just the bar areas of each state will close. As the governor said yesterday here in NH we have very few “bars”. With hotels and campgrounds opening at 100% how does do restaurants handle the extra capacity issues.


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[gravy boat]

My guess is takeout or people have to wait in line for an open air table. Or people continue to cook at home or around the campfire. Those in motel/hotel will have to do the takeout thing, I guess.

Susie Cougar -- "The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31." Does that mean they are under medical care or only tested positive?

[Susie Cougar]

From what I understand, and the news is changing constantly, many people are testing positive and are asymptomatic. Also, although younger people are being hospitalized, they are not needing the extreme care that the older patients do, such as ventilators. There does seem to be a real threat, however, that we will have a shortage of hospital beds by the middle of July if this trend continues.

[Seaplane Pilot]

I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do ".
I've see interesting psychological profiles of those type people....the same people who disregard signs "area closed" and go in anyway...

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

[bigdog]

Just returned from 12 day trip to Hilton Head Island, and noticed the following when traveling North through the States.....

S Caroline
Has shown an uptick in Covit cases, however, restaurants have inside seating, beaches are open, and of course, everyone is playing golf ! Lot's of folks are out and about, even went to a HUGE Tanger Outlet while there with tons of people shopping, you’d think it was Christmas ! Most folks are wearing masks. What is amusing, you see them wearing masks while driving !
Seriously ??? :)

N Carolina
Most folks still wearing masks, and was told by total strangers, when out and about to wear one ! Those folks were senior citizens, of which I am a member.

Virginia-Maryland
Folks still wearing masks, per Governors order.
Some places I went, they wouldn't let you inside w/o wearing a mask.
Those folks are still in modified ‘lock down’, some restaurants open with seating, some only take-out, Hotels are not serving any food, only bagged food by hotels, swimming pools closed.
The way they described it to me is their Gov. is slowly relaxing restrictions.

NY and Conn the worse… no surprise there !!!!!
Restaurants, only take-out food, even then, when I did, someone would come to the door, take your money, then shove your bagged order at you, then immediately close the door. Gov. Coumo has those folks locked-down tight and from what folks there have told me, he’s going to keep it that way indefinitely !

Glad to be home again, I guess we have it pretty better than most States !

[FlyingScot]

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

Funny, while you're telling him his post is BS, you're paraphrasing the first half of his post. Maybe you'll concede he's half right?

[Bigstan]

Funny, while you're telling him his post is BS, you're paraphrasing the first half of his post. Maybe you'll concede he's half right?

Paraphrasing how ? Noone mentioned the government. At this point I would call it not caving to peer pressure. You can try and bully us all you want, a lot of us aren't buying.

[Susie Cougar]

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

Seaplane Pilot, if so many people are testing positive and have no symptoms whatsoever, why won’t you wear a mask to protect others when you may be asymptomatic as well?
I went out to the dentist for the first time since the end of February. My son brought me in the car with all the windows down and he was wearing a mask. When I went into the dentist, I put on my mask, and I wore it in the car on the ride back to protect my son. It was not an issue at all for me.

[FlyingScot]

Paraphrasing how ? Noone mentioned the government. At this point I would call it not caving to peer pressure. You can try and bully us all you want, a lot of us aren't buying.

I'm not trying to bully anyone, and certainly would not expect to be able to bully SP. I hope to persuade people to wear masks and also to illustrate the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in certain posts.

To answer your question about paraphrasing--Dickie wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do".

To which SP replied along the lines of : "I'm a man not a sheep." By that he meant he's not going to let anybody (such as the government) tell him what to do. This would be paraphrasing half of Dickie's post, right?

But SP's a big boy and a forceful advocate for his position. I'm sure he'll let us know if I've misunderstood his use of "sheep"

[Mr. V]

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

We'll just have to see if you sing a different tune when / if NH gets more cases and the governor mandates masks in public.

Law abiding citizen or scofflaw?

tick ... tick ... tick ...

[Seaplane Pilot]

We'll just have to see if you sing a different tune when / if NH gets more cases and the governor mandates masks in public.

Law abiding citizen or scofflaw?

tick ... tick ... tick ...

When wearing a mask becomes a LAW, then I’ll consider it. But not until.

[Biggd]

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.
I bet you have lots of mirrors in your house so you can admire yourself every chance you get. [emoji23]

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[Jdarby]

So a man doesn’t wear a mask? He stares the virus in the face and shows it who’s boss....no fear?! Do you play chicken on train tracks too? Of course getting the virus isn’t certain death like getting hit by a train so probably not. Roll the dice....like a man! Vegas was built on losing. God speed!


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[Bigstan]

I'm not trying to bully anyone, and certainly would not expect to be able to bully SP. I hope to persuade people to wear masks and also to illustrate the inconsistencies and inaccuracies in certain posts.

To answer your question about paraphrasing--Dickie wrote: I've said it before and I'll say it again....the people who don't wear masks do so for one reason...."the damn government isn't going to tell me what to do".

To which SP replied along the lines of : "I'm a man not a sheep." By that he meant he's not going to let anybody (such as the government) tell him what to do. This would be paraphrasing half of Dickie's post, right?

But SP's a big boy and a forceful advocate for his position. I'm sure he'll let us know if I've misunderstood his use of "sheep"

I interpreted it my way - the government is not ‘telling’ me to wear one, it’s people such as those here that are saying do it or you don’t care or words to that effect. I’m not a sheep that will go along with that either, but by all means let him clarify his interpretation.

[thinkxingu]

So a man doesn’t wear a mask? He stares the virus in the face and shows it who’s boss....no fear?! Do you play chicken on train tracks too? Of course getting the virus isn’t certain death like getting hit by a train so probably not. Roll the dice....like a man! Vegas was built on losing. God speed!


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In your train analogy, would you have a problem if passengers were hurt because someone played chicken? I certainly would.

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[ApS]

In Europe, similar images to the below expresses the value of wearing masks, and is commonly seen:

http://www.bhsj.org/uploads/ckeditor/pictures/117/content_masks3.png

We'll just have to see if you sing a different tune when / if NH gets more cases and the governor mandates masks in public.

Law abiding citizen or scofflaw?

tick ... tick ... tick ...

That's easy to see by the "citizens" boat, and how it's operated. :rolleye2:

[Jdarby]

The difference is in endangering your own life vs. that of others.

In your train analogy, would you have a problem if passengers were hurt because someone played chicken? I certainly would.

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As would I. Believe me, I totally get it. I work in healthcare and can bear witness to the reality of the pandemic. The reality that some people think is apparently a hoax or just some political game.

[chasedawg]

To date, The lakes region has largely escaped Covid cases but as we're seeing in many places especially TX, CA, FL an AZ, cases are exploding to new highs. We do NOT want that in around here. THE simplest way to avoid that is distance and masks. Period. And please save me the nonsense about Dr "fraud". Science and facts are had to argue with. If you're inside a public place please wear a mask or avoid that public place.

Unfortunately it looks like a second wave (first for many) and we don't want to participate!!

Thank you for posting that Experience and actual facts are now showing what has been said all along. That a simplest solution is distance and masks What is so difficult to understand???

[chasedawg]

Looks like things are going well in Florida.

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For weeks and months now I have been following those on the forum that don't believe Covid-19 is a serious..very serious virus. Only nothing worst than the flu. Those people will continue on with their ways. I will not wear a mask..I don't care...the government can't make me..and so on. I feel for those people. With that resistance the numbers will unfortuantely will grow like in the Southern states. Look at AZ that opened early. Look at Calif, FL.

Have you seen the numbers people infected in states that opened. Astonishing!
Florida, Texas are getting killed with huge increases in cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Young people are now getting it. There was a post yesterday saying no big worry young people don't get this. Headlines today in the Globe..Young people are getting it too.

No don't worry or don't be a worry wort as i have been called. Just suck it up! This is nothing more than a seasonal flu.

Why then if that is the case a family celebrates a family birthday party for a few hours and 13 come down with Corvid 19. Several are not doing well.

People better start realizing that this could easily come to your neighborhood. Yes it could come to you. But perhaps not.

Just simply wear a mask. Better yet self distance 6'. and clean your hands with sanitizers.

I also noticed that the number of forum responses on this subject has died up. It could be for several reasons. Number one and for me.... I have had enough of this thread! Let's move on to happier summer days and hope and pray for all those who have been effective will make it.

[lakeporter65]

As would I. Believe me, I totally get it. I work in healthcare and can bear witness to the reality of the pandemic. The reality that some people think is apparently a hoax or just some political game.

It HAS turned into a Political Game.

[thinkxingu]

The most frustrating thing about this pandemic is that it's mostly preventable.

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[Major]

BS! I’m a law abiding citizen, have not even had a parking ticket in over 20 year. A pilot knows full well that they better obey FAA or else.... However, I absolutely refuse to wear a mask. I have my reasons, and will never change my position on this matter. When I looked in the mirror this morning, I saw a man, not a sheep.

Seaplane, people just don’t get it and they never will. Our Constitutional rights are stripped away without any fighting back or challenge. All for what, a really bad flu season. Healthy people cannot die from this. The average age of death is 82. The highest risk group appears to be fat people. So if you are old and/or fat, the responsibility is yours, not mine, to take care of yourself.

And Seaplane, we know that the rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers are taking advantage of our weakened state. We are too weak and cowardly to fight back. This is a leftist dream come true. Our great President predicted this three years ago when the anarchists started tearing down Confederate statues. And here we are destroying priceless art and history.

This same playbook will be used when attempting their ultimate goal - disarming us. They will gin up some crisis, like a really bad flu, place tens of millions of Americans out of work, destroy tens of thousands of small businesses, and then try to confiscate our guns. I used to think this is far fetched but not now. Sad!


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[rsmlp]

Seaplane, people just don’t get it and they never will. Our Constitutional rights are stripped away without any fighting back or challenge. All for what, a really bad flu season. Healthy people cannot die from this. The average age of death is 82. The highest risk group appears to be fat people. So if you are old and/or fat, the responsibility is yours, not mine, to take care of yourself.

And Seaplane, we know that the rioters, looters, occupiers and destroyers are taking advantage of our weakened state. We are too weak and cowardly to fight back. This is a leftist dream come true. Our great President predicted this three years ago when the anarchists started tearing down Confederate statues. And here we are destroying priceless art and history.

This same playbook will be used when attempting their ultimate goal - disarming us. They will gin up some crisis, like a really bad flu, place tens of millions of Americans out of work, destroy tens of thousands of small businesses, and then try to confiscate our guns. I used to think this is far fetched but not now. Sad!


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People always have a CHOICE-to be part of the solution or the problem. You and your ilk have made their position well known. Unfortunately, for people who choose to be part of the solution, you are putting us at risk and I'll be blunt and say that is incredibly selfish. You reap what you sow so you and your "constitutional rights" will have their comeuppance.

[Seaplane Pilot]

People always have a CHOICE-to be part of the solution or the problem. You and your ilk have made their position well known. Unfortunately, for people who choose to be part of the solution, you are putting us at risk and I'll be blunt and say that is incredibly selfish. You reap what you sow so you and your "constitutional rights" will have their comeuppance.

As of today (but maybe not tomorrow the way things are going) you’re entitled to express your opinions. And that’s what you’re doing, simply expressing your opinions. I happen to disagree with your opinions about this hoax.

[Winilyme]

...just when I think you’ve stooped to the lowest of lows, you manage to stoop lower.

[rsmlp]

Politics should NOT play a part with wanting to stay safe and observing basic common sense practices like maintaining distance and wearing masks in indoor public places BUT thanks to our illustrious POTUS-it does.

I am not liberal by any means but I am well schooled in science and I consider myself unselfish. NOT wearing a mask is not even ignorant, it's just lazy and inconsiderate, so to beat the s&^t out of this dead horse, I really feel sorry for people who just don't give a damn about their fellow neighbor to the point where they can't be bothered to take the simplest of measures to help maintain safety but a great big THANK YOU to those that do!

[fatlazyless]

www.cnet.com/health/where-are-face-masks-required/

Last I heard, face masks are required in Maine and Massachusetts, and recommended here by the State of New Hampshire ...... :patriot:

[Jan]

...just when I think you’ve stooped to the lowest of lows, you manage to stoop lower.Why? I reread his post several times and still can't understand why is it so "low"? You didn't explain that or give your opinion. Why are you so intolerant of his opinion?

[rsmlp]

As of today (but maybe not tomorrow the way things are going) you’re entitled to express your opinions. And that’s what you’re doing, simply expressing your opinions. I happen to disagree with your opinions about this hoax.

SHAME ON YOU for comparing yourself to our brave completely SELFLESS fathers and forefathers who stormed the beaches and sacrificed their lives so that we might have a better future. Might better compare our brave health professionals who are on the front line facing the risk of Covid to our veterans. Tell you what, go find one of those people and ask them how they feel about you ignoring basic humane safety standards because you just cannot be bothered.
I suspect you want bother

[Seaplane Pilot]

SHAME ON YOU for comparing yourself to our brave completely SELFLESS fathers and forefathers who stormed the beaches and sacrificed their lives so that we might have a better future. Might better compare our brave health professionals who are on the front line facing the risk of Covid to our veterans. Tell you what, go find one of those people and ask them how they feel about you ignoring basic humane safety standards because you just cannot be bothered.
I suspect you want bother

Nice try, but I’m not taking the bait. You have your opinion, I have mine.

[Major]

People always have a CHOICE-to be part of the solution or the problem. You and your ilk have made their position well known. Unfortunately, for people who choose to be part of the solution, you are putting us at risk and I'll be blunt and say that is incredibly selfish. You reap what you sow so you and your "constitutional rights" will have their comeuppance.

I and many others think YOU are part of the problem. I will beat a dead horse. Why is it so farfetched to question that our approach to this so-called pandemic was wrong? Why are you so offended by it? There are 7,000,000,000 plus people in the world. A very small percentage is affected by the Chinese coronavirus and an even smaller percentage died from it. (Although it is typically the underlying condition that kills the person, e.g., diabetes or obesity.) For the life of me, if it is statistically impossible for a person under 65 in relatively good health to not die from the Chinese coronavirus, then why is it heretical to question that maybe we did not adopt the correct approach. I guess freedom of thought and speech are not high on your list of Constitutional rights.

And you better appreciate your Constitutional rights. Like it or not, our collective American experience perfected liberty and freedom for everyone who is blessed to live here. There were bumps along the way, but it is the best in the world, and all of us should appreciate it. And you better not want a comeuppance. That means YOUR rights will be affected as much as mine. It seems to me like you don't appreciate freedom and liberty, but you will once it is taken away from you.

[Major]

SHAME ON YOU for comparing yourself to our brave completely SELFLESS fathers and forefathers who stormed the beaches and sacrificed their lives so that we might have a better future. Might better compare our brave health professionals who are on the front line facing the risk of Covid to our veterans. Tell you what, go find one of those people and ask them how they feel about you ignoring basic humane safety standards because you just cannot be bothered.
I suspect you want bother

I'll take the bait. Do you think our young people today would have the moral fortitude and courage to do what those young men did in 1944? That is the point of the post. We have raised a bunch of selfish, cowardly generation of young men who do not appreciate the freedoms and liberties we all enjoy. Like everything else in their lives, they take EVERYTHING for granted. When the Chinese storm our beaches, who will be there to defend us? Will we want to be defended? Our values have gone down the sink hole, and it isn't because of the feared orange man as people like you refer to him. It is because of 50 plus years of liberal mob think invading our institutions, such as education, government and military. He has only been President for 3+ years. To think he caused what we are seeing in our major cities is plain stupid.

[Susie Cougar]

I just read an interesting story. The co-founder of OpenMaryland , a group that tried to force Governor Hogan to rescind his stay at home orders back in April and who attended all kinds of rallies while claiming that the coronavirus is just a hoax has tested positive for the virus. He claims that he has not worn a mask at any of the rallies and no one has gotten sick until he tried to start a church.

He claims that Satan gave him the virus to stop him from spreading the word. He says he refuses to change his behavior and will continue to not wear a mask and he will not cooperate with authorities to help with contact tracing and that anyone who came in contact with him in the past is responsible for his own well-being.

So now, we have people walking around who are testing positive and are still out and about and have no problem infecting others.
I guess the devil made him do it, LOL. Who used to say that all the time?

[Biggd]

I don't see much difference between the laws governing this and smoking. Smoking causes cancer and kills people as does second hand smoke. We, and many other countries, have banned indoor smoking to protect the health of innocent bystanders. Masks do the same against the virus.

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[Major]

I bet you have lots of mirrors in your house so you can admire yourself every chance you get. [emoji23]

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I find it rich that someone with the moniker "Biggd" questions another person's ego! If left didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all!

[Susie Cougar]

I really don’t know what to think anymore. I don’t understand how something as simple as putting on a mask when you’re out in public has become such a huge inconvenience that people refuse to do it.

The governor of Florida refused to make mask wearing mandatory because he says he would rather get more flies with honey than with vinegar. He had hoped that people would do the right thing. Now in today’s paper, the governor is claiming that young people are to blame for the sharp rise in cases because they are shunning masks and congregating in unhealthy ways..

What they realized after they opened the bars was that the environment is not conducive to stopping the spread of the virus. Bartenders said that people acted like there was no pandemic at all. People were not wearing masks and were not social distancing. People tend to talk louder in these situations and droplets from your speech go further.

How will the economy ever get back to normal if people refuse to take this seriously? We can’t keep pretending.

[Biggd]

I find it rich that someone with the moniker "Biggd" questions another person's ego! If left didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards at all!
The moniker I've chosen has nothing to do with what your dirty mind has thought up but I expect nothing less from you.

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[MAXUM]

I really don’t know what to think anymore. I don’t understand how something as simple as putting on a mask when you’re out in public has become such a huge inconvenience that people refuse to do it.



Because the use of masks, "social distancing" and isolation is NOT EFFECTIVE, this is not opinion but fact that continues to roll into to ongoing studies and fed into the CDC.

The reason why this information is NOT getting out into the public is by choice. I know I see what we are sending to the CDC as far as results go and it is quite different than what they are making public.

Imagine the panic that would ensue if the federal government basically stated the truth? There is a virus on the loose, it is HIGHLY contagious and there are no effective physical mitigations that can be employed? What I find hilarious is that people actually believe that standing 6 foot away from another does anything, or that wearing a mask most who wear them wrong anyways, does anything at all when the virus can easily penetrate the materials and spread. Seriously?

The good thing is that there are medications that can be used to treat this that are continue to show success and even better - it appears that as this thing continues to spread it is loosing it's potency. Meaning those that are being infected now are not suffering the acute symptoms as when this first hit in the early stages.

I for one am not going to subject myself to engaging is behavior that is silly, stupid and useless. If a business says I can't come in cause I don't have a mask on - fine see you later I'll go elsewhere. This nonsense has to stop.

[Susie Cougar]

The moniker I've chosen has nothing to do with what your dirty mind has thought up but I expect nothing less from you.

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Yes, Biggd. I’m sure many of us have user names that others make assumptions that are not true. I know everyone has a reason for picking theirs, but it’s meaning is not always obvious.

[Winilyme]

Why? I reread his post several times and still can't understand why is it so "low"? You didn't explain that or give your opinion. Why are you so intolerant of his opinion?

Thank you for asking.

Major's comment - "The highest risk group appears to be fat people. So if you are old and/or fat, the responsibility is yours, not mine, to take care of yourself" is offensive and totally lacking in tolerance or compassion. Like many others have said in multiple threads - this is an "I don't care about you...I care about me" attitude.

My mother-in-law is in her late-90s. Due to medical issues and failing mental capacity, she is incapable of caring for herself. In Major's eyes, she is old and fat. This wonderful woman now relies on compassionate family members and a cadre of outside support to survive. If I may appeal to any sense of compassion in Major, she also supported her young husband through his Air Force service during WWII and through his long fight with cancer afterwards that culminated in his death 38 years ago. She continued to raise her three children after that. If he was alive today, he'd be appalled at the lack of compassion for others that is on full display in many of Major's posts.

If there's anything this nation needs more of right now - it's compassion.

[chasedawg]

Yes, think. Florida had over 9000 cases yesterday. The numbers went from 2000 people a day to 3000 to 5000 and now we’re almost at 10,000 people a day. Almost 15% of people being tested now are positive. The average age of a coronavirus patient is now 31. When the bars and restaurants opened up, young people saw it as a green light. Also, they hit the gyms and were not wearing masks because the governor won’t make it a requirement. Many cities are now requiring masks and people are fighting back. I don’t see how this can ever end.

At one point in this thread early on there was a discussion that Covid-19 is nothing more than a bad case of the FLU... Is that still the suggestion? This is a very serious situation now. NOt sure how it is going to end. It is up to individuals to wear a mask and social distance really does work. There have been so many proven cases. We are snow birds...not sure if we will be this Winter if this keeps getting worse.

[FlyingScot]

Because the use of masks, "social distancing" and isolation is NOT EFFECTIVE, this is not opinion but fact that continues to roll into to ongoing studies and fed into the CDC.

The reason why this information is NOT getting out into the public is by choice. I know I see what we are sending to the CDC as far as results go and it is quite different than what they are making public.

Imagine the panic that would ensue if the federal government basically stated the truth? There is a virus on the loose, it is HIGHLY contagious and there are no effective physical mitigations that can be employed? What I find hilarious is that people actually believe that standing 6 foot away from another does anything, or that wearing a mask most who wear them wrong anyways, does anything at all when the virus can easily penetrate the materials and spread. Seriously?

The good thing is that there are medications that can be used to treat this that are continue to show success and even better - it appears that as this thing continues to spread it is loosing it's potency. Meaning those that are being infected now are not suffering the acute symptoms as when this first hit in the early stages.

I for one am not going to subject myself to engaging is behavior that is silly, stupid and useless. If a business says I can't come in cause I don't have a mask on - fine see you later I'll go elsewhere. This nonsense has to stop.

Several pieces of misinformation in here:

Masks and social distancing are not perfect, but have both proven effective in different ways. I think it was Charlie Baker (but maybe it was somebody similar) who said the best thing you can do to stop the virus is to stay home, second best is to wear a mask. ApS has a nice graphic on this above.

The federal government experts (Fauci, Birx, Redfield, etc) have told us the truth--there is a very dangerous virus, and there's no perfect shield

There is no medicine available that has shown the kind of success that should make any of us feel less danger. A few points less on the death toll is nice, but not a game changer.

[gravy boat]

I just read an interesting story. The co-founder of OpenMaryland , a group that tried to force Governor Hogan to rescind his stay at home orders back in April and who attended all kinds of rallies while claiming that the coronavirus is just a hoax has tested positive for the virus. He claims that he has not worn a mask at any of the rallies and no one has gotten sick until he tried to start a church.

He claims that Satan gave him the virus to stop him from spreading the word. He says he refuses to change his behavior and will continue to not wear a mask and he will not cooperate with authorities to help with contact tracing and that anyone who came in contact with him in the past is responsible for his own well-being.

So now, we have people walking around who are testing positive and are still out and about and have no problem infecting others.
I guess the devil made him do it, LOL. Who used to say that all the time?

Flip Wilson! His character, Geraldine, I believe. What a great show that was!

[Jdarby]

I'll take the bait. Do you think our young people today would have the moral fortitude and courage to do what those young men did in 1944? That is the point of the post. We have raised a bunch of selfish, cowardly generation of young men who do not appreciate the freedoms and liberties we all enjoy. Like everything else in their lives, they take EVERYTHING for granted. When the Chinese storm our beaches, who will be there to defend us? Will we want to be defended? Our values have gone down the sink hole, and it isn't because of the feared orange man as people like you refer to him. It is because of 50 plus years of liberal mob think invading our institutions, such as education, government and military. He has only been President for 3+ years. To think he caused what we are seeing in our major cities is plain stupid.

Geez Major, of all people I hope you are not discounting the bravery of our current armed forces that are at this very minute in harms way. I also found the comparison misguided. My father was one of those men 75 years ago. He received 4 campaign ribbons and the bronze star. The unfortunate irony in that image is that not all those veterans from WWII are gone. Now they are at the highest risk of succumbing to this “hoax” virus. ‘Thank you for your bravery 75 years ago and the freedoms it brought to the world. Sorry I dont value your life enough today to wear a mask.’


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[Biggd]

You're not going to change the thoughts of some people who think wearing a mask is an infringement on their rights. They don't care about others, only themselves and their right to do what ever they want. I don't like wearing a mask but I certainly don't look at it as an infringement on my rights. I look at it as my civic duty to do what's right. It's not that big a deal as people are making it out to be. There is nothing more important in life than health.

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[Major]

Geez Major, of all people I hope you are not discounting the bravery of our current armed forces that are at this very minute in harms way. I also found the comparison misguided. My father was one of those men 75 years ago. He received 4 campaign ribbons and the bronze star. The unfortunate irony in that image is that not all those veterans from WWII are gone. Now they are at the highest risk of succumbing to this “hoax” virus. ‘Thank you for your bravery 75 years ago and the freedoms it brought to the world. Sorry I dont value your life enough today to wear a mask.’


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As consistently happens in this Forum, not once did I denigrate the brave men and women of our Armed Forces. What I said is that in a time of crisis, such as Pearl Harbor where nearly every able bodied man signed up willingly to defend our great nation, our current crop of young men would not rise to the challenge. They do not value freedom and liberty enough to make such a sacrifice.

And to answer another question, I am very compassionate, compassionate of the tens of millions of people, like my son, who lost their jobs as a result of this nonsense, compassionate to the tens of thousands of small business owners who lost lifetimes of work and capital, compassionate to the people who have to work harder while the people forced not to work try to get their lives in order. I also have compassion for the elderly and the people with preexisting conditions. They need to take more responsibility for their safety and if they are unable to do so their families need to pitch in. Let the rest of us go about our lives normally. IT'S A BAD FLU for crying out loud, not the Black Plague.

[Jdarby]

As consistently happens in this Forum, not once did I denigrate the brave men and women of our Armed Forces. What I said is that in a time of crisis, such as Pearl Harbor where nearly every able bodied man signed up willingly to defend our great nation, our current crop of young men would not rise to the challenge. They do not value freedom and liberty enough to make such a sacrifice.

And to answer another question, I am very compassionate, compassionate of the tens of millions of people, like my son, who lost their jobs as a result of this nonsense, compassionate to the tens of thousands of small business owners who lost lifetimes of work and capital, compassionate to the people who have to work harder while the people forced not to work try to get their lives in order. I also have compassion for the elderly and the people with preexisting conditions. They need to take more responsibility for their safety and if they are unable to do so their families need to pitch in. Let the rest of us go about our lives normally. IT'S A BAD FLU for crying out loud, not the Black Plague.

Thanks Major. But that’s not what you “said”, it’s what you meant to say or imply by your post. In using that Pearl Harbor analogy, you may have a point on that mark. As for “the bad flu” comment, if you don’t really believe the reported numbers there is no sense debating flu deaths against those of COVID-19. Enjoy your weekend.


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[MAXUM]

Several pieces of misinformation in here:

Masks and social distancing are not perfect, but have both proven effective in different ways. I think it was Charlie Baker (but maybe it was somebody similar) who said the best thing you can do to stop the virus is to stay home, second best is to wear a mask. ApS has a nice graphic on this above.

The federal government experts (Fauci, Birx, Redfield, etc) have told us the truth--there is a very dangerous virus, and there's no perfect shield

There is no medicine available that has shown the kind of success that should make any of us feel less danger. A few points less on the death toll is nice, but not a game changer.

LOL believe what you will everyone does irrespective of reality.

May want to re-evaluate your assertion of mis-information. This is coming directly from ACTIVE COVID-19 studies and clinical trials being executed across the globe. Not just one or two, we are running over 200 of them now.

What is on TV is not reality or even terribly accurate.

[Mr. V]

Here's a "back door" argument for the anti-maskers to consider:

Wearing masks, maintaining social distancing, minimizing exposure to others, frequent hand washing and use of sanitizer will slow down the spread of the virus.

When slowed down, fewer people will get it and the economy can open sooner.

With fewer people getting sick and the economy on the mend the stock market should stop riding the crazy train it's been on lately, and those (most of us, I bet) who have money invested can bounce back financially.

It boils down to this: if you play by the rules we'll get healthy sooner, both physically and financially.

"Live Free Or Thrive?"

[Biggd]

LOL believe what you will everyone does irrespective of reality.

May want to re-evaluate your assertion of mis-information. This is coming directly from ACTIVE COVID-19 studies and clinical trials being executed across the globe. Not just one or two, we are running over 200 of them now.

What is on TV is not reality or even terribly accurate.
Everyone believes what they want to believe to support their own agenda. You can easily cherry pick from hundreds of studies to support which ever side of the fence you are on.

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[FlyingScot]

LOL believe what you will everyone does irrespective of reality.

May want to re-evaluate your assertion of mis-information. This is coming directly from ACTIVE COVID-19 studies and clinical trials being executed across the globe. Not just one or two, we are running over 200 of them now.

What is on TV is not reality or even terribly accurate.

When you say "believe what you will everyone does", I'm pretty sure that with respect to COVID, that is happening only on the Republican side. All of the significant Democratic assertions from the past few months have been generally true--this is really dangerous, it can grow super fast, if we shut down growth will slow. Most recently this is evidenced by backtracking on reopenings in both Florida and Texas, with bars now shut down amid booming virus growth--states Major cited just a couple of days ago as right to reopen "full throttle".

I made 3 assertions, all backed by numerous accounts in the press, so hardly a need to cite them again. Be my guest if you'd like to refute, but please be specific, and give us a source if it's not obvious.

[TheRoBoat]

Arguably, the biggest detriment to the economy will be if kids can't go back to school in the fall. The ripple effects of that situation could be debilitating to the economy.

The chances of TX and FL being able to open their schools in the fall just took a massive hit. I would even say that it will be impossible, considering where they are now, to open.

[Biggd]

Arguably, the biggest detriment to the economy will be if kids can't go back to school in the fall. The ripple effects of that situation could be debilitating to the economy.

The chances of TX and FL being able to open their schools in the fall just took a massive hit. I would even say that it will be impossible, considering where they are now, to open.
Exactly, my daughter has three kids. 6,4,&2 and she has to return to work. Without school and day care it's the grand parents that have to pick up the slack. At 66 it's exhausting chasing 3 little ones around now.

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[Susie Cougar]

Just a day or two ago, Manatee County, where I live, came up with a school opening plan for August.

Kindergarten through fifth grade would go to school five days per week. Those students had the hardest time adjusting to distance-learning. Grade 6 would go four days a week in school and one day of distance learning at home. Middle school and high school would be a combination of in school and at home learning.
They will be putting plastic shields around each desk and distancing each student. Students will be more spread out throughout the school and could be in the cafeteria or other rooms for teaching. There will be hand washing stations in each room. Students will eat lunch in their class room. Students may have to come in split shifts because of the busing situation.

[FlyingScot]

Just a day or two ago, Manatee County, where I live, came up with a school opening plan for August.

Kindergarten through fifth grade would go to school five days per week. Those students had the hardest time adjusting to distance-learning. Grade 6 would go four days a week in school and one day of distance learning at home. Middle school and high school would be a combination of in school and at home learning.
They will be putting plastic shields around each desk and distancing each student. Students will be more spread out throughout the school and could be in the cafeteria or other rooms for teaching. There will be hand washing stations in each room. Students will eat lunch in their class room. Students may have to come in split shifts because of the busing situation.

Ugh. So sad. (And you probably left out the no games at recess part.) I'm not saying it's a bad plan, just that it's all the difficulty of school with none of the joy. I hope parents, teachers and kids can figure out something to bring some sort of normalcy.

[Biggd]

So I have a very dear friend of mine who lives in Florida and is dying from pancreatic cancer. The doctors have given him 4 months to live. I'm reluctantly flying into Jacksonville on July 6th and spending 2 days with him. I'm going to take every precaution I can but I feel that I need to see him before he passes. I know I will have to quaranteen for two weeks when I return but it's a burden I will gladly endure to see him before he is incapacitated.

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[Winilyme]

So I have a very dear friend of mine who lives in Florida and is dying from pancreatic cancer. The doctors have given him 4 months to live. I'm reluctantly flying into Jacksonville on July 6th and spending 2 days with him. I'm going to take every precaution I can but I feel that I need to see him before he passes. I know I will have to quaranteen for two weeks when I return but it's a burden I will gladly endure to see him before he is incapacitated.

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Biggd - your trip is so worth it and important for both of you. The joy you’ll bring your friend will be with you for the rest of your life. You are more than a friend to him.

[Barney Bear]

What a fine story about real friendship and sacrifice. 🐻

[MAXUM]

When you say "believe what you will everyone does", I'm pretty sure that with respect to COVID, that is happening only on the Republican side. All of the significant Democratic assertions from the past few months have been generally true--this is really dangerous, it can grow super fast, if we shut down growth will slow. Most recently this is evidenced by backtracking on reopenings in both Florida and Texas, with bars now shut down amid booming virus growth--states Major cited just a couple of days ago as right to reopen "full throttle".

I made 3 assertions, all backed by numerous accounts in the press, so hardly a need to cite them again. Be my guest if you'd like to refute, but please be specific, and give us a source if it's not obvious.

If I could make specific current clinical trial and study data public I would, unfortunately I cannot. If you prefer to hear nothing to the contrary of what you believe to be true and continue to be mislead by all means be my guest.

No where in my statements as of late have I injected one bit of politics but if you want to go that route I'm glad you think the Democrats are getting it "mostly right" as here is a perfect example of that:

https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/06/24/people-of-color-wont-be-required-to-wear-masks-in-an-oregon-county/

Now what's this REALLY about?

[thinkxingu]

If I could make specific current clinical trial and study data public I would, unfortunately I cannot. If you prefer to hear nothing to the contrary of what you believe to be true and continue to be mislead by all means be my guest.

No where in my statements as of late have I injected one bit of politics but if you want to go that route I'm glad you think the Democrats are getting it "mostly right" as here is a perfect example of that:

https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/06/24/people-of-color-wont-be-required-to-wear-masks-in-an-oregon-county/

Now what's this REALLY about?Your claim is that the CDC's recommendations, which are based on the "fact" that the virus spreads through water droplets, are ineffective. What is inaccurate about that?

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[MAXUM]

Your claim is that the CDC's recommendations, which are based on the "fact" that the virus spreads through water droplets, are ineffective. What is inaccurate about that?

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There are several methods of spread, person to person via water droplets is just one means of transmission.

Far as the mask debate that no doubt will rage till the end of time. As our lead doctor has told me as I asked him straight up out of genuine concern for my own family - some of who are at high risk. What does the data thus far show? He told me the science is pretty consistent on this and several ongoing studies continue to trend in this way. He explained it in this way which I think is brilliant for those of us who are not doctors or scientists. You head out to the beach on a bright sunny day with a high UV index. Wearing a mask is as effective as wearing a little bit of sunscreen expecting that will prevent you from getting sunburned. He said that is assuming that everyone was wearing a mask made of the correct material and wearing it correctly. All you have to do is go out in public and see this is not the case.

Is there some benefit? Sure but don't be fooled into thinking this is terribly effective as it is not.

One thing that is undisputed at this point is this thing is highly contagious so exposure to it and spread will not stop and the increase in confirmed cases should be expected but not feared. The fatality rate of this continues to drop and thankfully the acuteness of this as it spreads continues to trend downwards. Unfortunately fear of getting this with the notion it is a death sentence is far more destructive than the virus itself.

[Garcia]

There are several methods of spread, person to person via water droplets is just one means of transmission.

Far as the mask debate that no doubt will rage till the end of time. As our lead doctor has told me as I asked him straight up out of genuine concern for my own family - some of who are at high risk. What does the data thus far show? He told me the science is pretty consistent on this and several ongoing studies continue to trend in this way. He explained it in this way which I think is brilliant for those of us who are not doctors or scientists. You head out to the beach on a bright sunny day with a high UV index. Wearing a mask is as effective as wearing a little bit of sunscreen expecting that will prevent you from getting sunburned. He said that is assuming that everyone was wearing a mask made of the correct material and wearing it correctly. All you have to do is go out in public and see this is not the case.

Is there some benefit? Sure but don't be fooled into thinking this is terribly effective as it is not.

One thing that is undisputed at this point is this thing is highly contagious so exposure to it and spread will not stop and the increase in confirmed cases should be expected but not feared. The fatality rate of this continues to drop and thankfully the acuteness of this as it spreads continues to trend downwards. Unfortunately fear of getting this with the notion it is a death sentence is far more destructive than the virus itself.

I’m curious, what is the lead doctors advice? Does he suggest opening everything up fully, no masks, no 6’ distance? Does he recommend proper mask use to minimize spread and/or limiting crowds? Does he recommend proper n95 mask use to help prevent catching the virus?

[thinkxingu]

There are several methods of spread, person to person via water droplets is just one means of transmission.

Far as the mask debate that no doubt will rage till the end of time. As our lead doctor has told me as I asked him straight up out of genuine concern for my own family - some of who are at high risk. What does the data thus far show? He told me the science is pretty consistent on this and several ongoing studies continue to trend in this way. He explained it in this way which I think is brilliant for those of us who are not doctors or scientists. You head out to the beach on a bright sunny day with a high UV index. Wearing a mask is as effective as wearing a little bit of sunscreen expecting that will prevent you from getting sunburned. He said that is assuming that everyone was wearing a mask made of the correct material and wearing it correctly. All you have to do is go out in public and see this is not the case.

Is there some benefit? Sure but don't be fooled into thinking this is terribly effective as it is not.

One thing that is undisputed at this point is this thing is highly contagious so exposure to it and spread will not stop and the increase in confirmed cases should be expected but not feared. The fatality rate of this continues to drop and thankfully the acuteness of this as it spreads continues to trend downwards. Unfortunately fear of getting this with the notion it is a death sentence is far more destructive than the virus itself.I don't understand the analogy. Is the suggestion that the sunlight is the virus—that we are bathed in virus?

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[Jdarby]

There are several methods of spread, person to person via water droplets is just one means of transmission.

Far as the mask debate that no doubt will rage till the end of time. As our lead doctor has told me as I asked him straight up out of genuine concern for my own family - some of who are at high risk. What does the data thus far show? He told me the science is pretty consistent on this and several ongoing studies continue to trend in this way. He explained it in this way which I think is brilliant for those of us who are not doctors or scientists. You head out to the beach on a bright sunny day with a high UV index. Wearing a mask is as effective as wearing a little bit of sunscreen expecting that will prevent you from getting sunburned. He said that is assuming that everyone was wearing a mask made of the correct material and wearing it correctly. All you have to do is go out in public and see this is not the case.

Is there some benefit? Sure but don't be fooled into thinking this is terribly effective as it is not.

One thing that is undisputed at this point is this thing is highly contagious so exposure to it and spread will not stop and the increase in confirmed cases should be expected but not feared. The fatality rate of this continues to drop and thankfully the acuteness of this as it spreads continues to trend downwards. Unfortunately fear of getting this with the notion it is a death sentence is far more destructive than the virus itself.

I work with a multitude of critical care and emergency physicians from major academic centers (both in the US and abroad) that have a differing opinion than that of the doctor you spoke with. Funny how we all pick and choose what “doctors” we decide to listen to. I guess that’s why everyone should always get a second opinion! I also guess we Americans are far better at spreading it than all those other countries that have successfully curtailed its transmission. They should probably talk to your physician colleague about what exactly they are doing wrong as they really shouldn’t be able to stop it’s spread. Fascinating!


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[Biggd]

What a fine story about real friendship and sacrifice. 🐻
I just got word today that he isn't responding very well to treatments and is in the ICU so we may be too late. Only family can see him.[emoji45]

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[FlyingScot]

If I could make specific current clinical trial and study data public I would, unfortunately I cannot. If you prefer to hear nothing to the contrary of what you believe to be true and continue to be mislead by all means be my guest.

No where in my statements as of late have I injected one bit of politics but if you want to go that route I'm glad you think the Democrats are getting it "mostly right" as here is a perfect example of that:

https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/06/24/people-of-color-wont-be-required-to-wear-masks-in-an-oregon-county/

Now what's this REALLY about?

Kind of pathetic to compare dumb behavior from an obscure bureaucrat in a tiny 50,000 person county in the middle of nowhere with the incredibly irresponsible gigantic, world-wide impact of the President of the US and his sheep-like Governors of Florida and Texas.

Also silly that you try to cite "secret" information is response to me criticizing another member's post for asserting things that are not true. If his original post is true, he should back it up.

But strangest of all is that even as the data become irrefutable that the President has been completely incompetent on Covid, you still argue in his favor on this issue

[Susie Cougar]

I just got word today that he isn't responding very well to treatments and is in the ICU so we may be too late. Only family can see him.[emoji45]

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I wonder if you could send him a card that the family could read to him.

[webmaster]

After 330 posts it's time to close this thread. Start new threads if needed. Keep the national politics OUT!