City of Laconia home rentals

[joey2665]

Sad, not at all. Short term rentals are targeted as investment income for their owners. Has little, if anything to do with someone’s abilities to afford ones housing choice. Owner occupied properties are exempt. So if one needs to rent a room to afford ones expenses so be it.
Short term rental permits are available for those that choose this type of investment. I believe the permit is the major hurdle that investment property owners are angry of. Opening the door to the city for inspection of a property that was updated without permits and not up to current safety codes.

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I disagree the major complaint is short term rentals are limited to just the Weirs.


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[WinnisquamZ]

WinnisquamZ


Maybe you are right, but some people rent their houses on the lake to pay or help pay the taxes. They have been in the family for years and they want to keep them.

The home I currently live in has been in the family since 66’. I also must budget for the cost of ownership. We do without to keep it, and know that someday we may have to let it go. Until then, we enjoy it


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[WinnisquamZ]

I disagree the major complaint is short term rentals are limited to just the Weirs.


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Short term rentals are not limited to the Weirs. Those that have applied for permits outside of the Weirs area have been denied do to various issues.


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[Descant]

With the state getting involved it is a totally new game. I am in favor of statewide legislation as opposed to town by town. If things stay with the new Laconia ordnance than Gilford Metedith Alton etc will have an additional leg up on tourism.

Local control can be much more flexible, easier to chnge to meet local needs. I don'tr think Selectmen and planning boards are very concerned about competing with other towns on the basis of zoning. They and the voters, are more concerned about local needs. Of course, Laconia is a city with a government that to me, is more removed from the voters than a town gov- ernment.

[joey2665]

Local control can be much more flexible, easier to chnge to meet local needs. I don'tr think Selectmen and planning boards are very concerned about competing with other towns on the basis of zoning. They and the voters, are more concerned about local needs. Of course, Laconia is a city with a government that to me, is more removed from the voters than a town gov- ernment.

Sorry we will agree to disagree. All the towns are competing for tourism dollars in a very short period of time and any restriction on locals to attract tourists to their community will in the end cost the town tax dollars whether it is a short term rental/hotel tax (such as Florida does) meal tax ect. This is something Selectmen should absolutely be concerned with. Yes I do however agree that the City of Laconia is very disconnected from their voters

[WinnisquamZ]

Sorry we will agree to disagree. All the towns are competing for tourism dollars in a very short period of time and any restriction on locals to attract tourists to their community will in the end cost the town tax dollars whether it is a short term rental/hotel tax (such as Florida does) meal tax ect. This is something Selectmen should absolutely be concerned with. Yes I do however agree that the City of Laconia is very disconnected from their voters

The issue is not about tourism dollars, it’s about neighbored disruption due to crazy renters and property owners uninterested in resolving the problem. This is a non issue if the property owners resolved issues. Can’t leave out the Laconia’s PD. Had they resolved a few issues over the years instead of saying they had no jurisdiction we would not be here today


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[joey2665]

The issue is not about tourism dollars, it’s about neighbored disruption due to crazy renters and property owners uninterested in resolving the problem. This is a non issue if the property owners resolved issues. Can’t leave out the Laconia’s PD. Had they resolved a few issues over the years instead of saying they had no jurisdiction we would not be here today


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It is all the same issue. Everyone is letting a very minimal amount of complaints determine what happens to the majority that have been successfully renting short term without any issue which then will trickle down and effect tourism dollars

[thinkxingu]

Looks like the same thing happening in Lincoln: https://www.lincolnnh.org/home/news/notice-of-public-hearing-short-term-rental-regulations

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[FlyingScot]

It is all the same issue. Everyone is letting a very minimal amount of complaints determine what happens to the majority that have been successfully renting short term without any issue which then will trickle down and effect tourism dollars

But the "majority" do not rent out their homes. Therefore it is incumbent on the minority to be really careful in messing with the majority's tranquility. Alas, they have not been careful enough

[WinnisquamZ]

But the "majority" do not rent out their homes. Therefore it is incumbent on the minority to be really careful in messing with the majority's tranquility. Alas, they have not been careful enough

You are correct


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[joey2665]

But the "majority" do not rent out their homes. Therefore it is incumbent on the minority to be really careful in messing with the majority's tranquility. Alas, they have not been careful enough

That’s a broad statement I do not agree with. The complaints have been minimal it is a classic case of overreacting to a few isolated incidents.


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[TiltonBB]

Critics said the new regulations are overly restrictive, and said property owners should have the flexibility to use their property for short-term rentals if they wish.

The amendments are scheduled for a first reading at Monday’s council meeting. If the council passes the amendments on the initial reading, they will be scheduled for a public hearing during the council meeting scheduled for Feb. 10.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news/local/council-to-take-up-short-term-rental-ordinance-amendments/article_3e0ea5f8-3ee5-11ea-90b0-7f97b88ca62e.html

[joey2665]

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

As written the enforcement of the new ordnance’s will end up costing the city much more than the 2 year 250.00 they are going to collect from the permits. Especially the 150 day owner occupancy rule.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!!!


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[Susie Cougar]

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!

This has become a very big issue in Florida as well. There are several towns that are dealing with this issue and are facing the same problems that Laconia is. It seems like we’re going to have state regulations as opposed to each town having their own, but nothing is certain at this point.

The basic premise is that if you own a home in a single-family neighborhood, you have a certain expectation of quality of life.

[joey2665]

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!

This has become a very big issue in Florida as well. There are several towns that are dealing with this issue and are facing the same problems that Laconia is. It seems like we’re going to have state regulations as opposed to each town having their own, but nothing is certain at this point.

The basic premise is that if you own a home in a single-family neighborhood, you have a certain expectation of quality of life.

Where in Florida? I rent my home on Marco all the time which is a huge rental market and there are not any major issues there.


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[Susie Cougar]

Anna Maria Island, Siesta Key are dealing with this near me. But, I heard that Jacksonville and other towns are dealing with this as well.

[fatlazyless]

Here's SB458, www.legiscan.com/NH/text/SB458/id/2082379 introduced on January 8, 2020 and sponsored by Sen French-R, Sen Bradley-R, and Sen D'Allesandro-D.

With both the NH House, 233-D vs 164-R, and the NH Senate, 14-D vs 10-R, having Democratic majorities, this bill will without a doubt require an act of God to get it passed as is, and/or any end product as revamped by the Democratic controlled senate and house will get vetoed by Gov Sununu-R ..... so, for starters, and you got to start someplace, this is a very, very good faith start and everyone involved should be highly commended. ... :patriot:


Note: This Legiscan link has links to the State of New Hampshire website with more information and you can read how the State website shows this new bill.

Opinion: Is it me or is the print font too danged small that it makes you squint and makes it difficult to read and comprehend this proposed bill, as printed? :eek2: Like, why-O-why-O-why does the State of NH website originate this proposed bill with a print font so small that it is most difficult to read and comprehend?

[map]

I personally do not like the idea of a lot of short term renters in my neighborhood. That said, I also am a liberty minded individual and people should be able to do with their homes- that THEY OWN-as they wish as long as they do not hurt other people.

I am thinking right now my husband and I are renting someone's home for a few months until we can move to our new house in the Weirs. We are better neighbors than some of the full time ones here.

[fatlazyless]

It a 3 part conspiracy, promoted by the politicians and kept secret from us called a little to much booze in your system before gong to bed at night, old age, and not knowing how to adjust the text size on your browser when your eyes are tired.

Ok ...... so, with your 'puter skills, can you do us all a favor and show an easier to read copy of SB-458 ........ thanks.

[Susie Cougar]

Hey Joey, I just read in today’s paper that Marco Island is paying residents $250 to let owls 🦉 burrow in their yards. Here’s a way for you to make some extra cash too!

[garysanfran]

An area for vacations...Oldest resort town in America is here.

Envision no short term rentals.... Tourists can only stay at hotels/motels. That'll turn some current visitors off because they like renting a home, not a room...So a great percentage of them will be gone.

Bayside Rentals, Preferred Properties, C-21...All will go out of business and all their employees will be fired...How many of them will no longer get a pizza from Envio's?

King of Clean works with many landlord home renters...Bye, bye to the King?

How may short termers ride The Mount Washington? Or are the passengers just locals? Doris E? Sophie C?

Maybe the hotel stayers will keep Monkey Truck line in business? Is there enough (will there be enough) of them?

The group of 11 adults and 11 kids can just go to The Cape. Who needs 'em?...That group must eat a lot...Hannafords, other grocers, restaurants may feel it is better for those 22 folks to shop here and not in Hyannis?

As current owners sell their properties because they can no longer do with their property what they need to do to pay exorbitant taxes, values will decline and taxes will climb further to offset loss of revenue.

On the positive side...Having a lot...LOTS...less people, to me, has value!

I am a firm believer in trying to understand "unintended consequences" before implementing major changes that on the surface may be appealing.

[garysanfran]

SO the owner wants to rent his property, short term, to help pay Laconia's stupidly high tax rate. But City leaders are succumbing to the noise complainer(s?)...

So here's one solution...Take $250 more away from the owner...Problems all solved...From The Sun...

[URL="Another change to the ordinance would set the cost of a short-term rental permit at $250. A permit would be valid for two years."]

I propose...Take it a step further ...if $250 accomplishes SOMETHING(?), Why not get twice as much SOMETHING and charge $500? Has to be twice as good as the measly $250...But wait, think of what could be done to silence unwanted noise, or something, if Laconia got $1,000?

[fatlazyless]

So, if 'SB-458: Relative to municipal regulation of vacation or short-term rentals', becomes a state law, then it will override any town/city ordinance.

Believe that's the way it works, a state law will generally supersede a local town/city ordinance.

[Wifi-1]

I wish you would stop thinking so small. Go for more silence.

Nice one, LOL

[Outdoorsman]

I think many are extremely underestimating the impact to the local economy if these new ordnance’s are passed. Including tourism in Laconia and values of homes decreasing.

If the city just put in some reasonable safety requirements and charged a tax such as Florida does it is a win win.

As written the enforcement of the new ordnance’s will end up costing the city much more than the 2 year 250.00 they are going to collect from the permits. Especially the 150 day owner occupancy rule.

All this over a few very isolated incidents. Ugh!!!


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Though I do not rent property in Laconia, this topic seems to be a hot button issue in many communities and I would like to be educated on the subject when it hits my community. I do not want to be "fighting City Hall" as it were if this does in fact have an impact on my property.

My question is, where are you finding statistics stating that it is "isolated" or "very few incidents"? I see a number of people in this community and others that use those same terms.

[tis]

SO the owner wants to rent his property, short term, to help pay Laconia's stupidly high tax rate. But City leaders are succumbing to the noise complainer(s?)...

So here's one solution...Take $250 more away from the owner...Problems all solved...From The Sun...

[URL="Another change to the ordinance would set the cost of a short-term rental permit at $250. A permit would be valid for two years."]

I propose...Take it a step further ...if $250 accomplishes SOMETHING(?), Why not get twice as much SOMETHING and charge $500? Has to be twice as good as the measly $250...But wait, think of what could be done to silence unwanted noise, or something, if Laconia got $1,000?

I had the same thought. How in the heck does charging a fee quiet people down?

[garysanfran]

I had the same thought. How in the heck does charging a fee quiet people down?

Enough to a politician, a lot of things can remain quiet!

[greeleyhill]

Has anyone been through the application process with the town yet? Just wondering how challenging/easy it might be.

[Red apple]

I have not saw one yet but could be interesting due to building codes. As a lot of people rent out odd spaces like attics, basements, extra area's of the home and I'm sure these area's do not meet the newest building codes for egress and other codes. By right if the City is going to permit them they need to cover themselves from law suits and need to be sure. Case and point I went for a small room change and had to make the windows larger for a second egress. The old room was fine but because the City was in the house for the permit in that room I had to make the changes.

[WinnisquamZ]

Correct. That is why one of the changes being pushed is for a “fire/smoke alarm only” inspection. Agree, with the city having liability if they dumb down the inspection. Would like to see us go thru a season before changes are adapted. Big money is making a lot of noice about these rental requires. Don’t believe, the city expected this pushback. Big money or city neighbors, who will prevail?



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[Laconiaflower]

Looks like they are cracking down on rental homes in Laconia. Letters going out to homeowners that rent by the week or night saying to stop or you will be fined $275/day. In order to keep renting you have to go to the city and apply for a zoning change. They state that renting is in violation of the city’s zoning ordinance and site plan regulations. Watch out everyone doing weekly rentals and Air B and B...


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Please note that all articles of this discussion that have been in paper (laconia daily sun) have noted that anything in the Weirs/Winnepasakee seasonal/summer rentals are not subject to these fines or ordinances and that whomever is renting to anyone, or anyone seeking an air b&b or like, laconia rental, should be aware of any and all of these ordinances and whether or not they apply to them, there ARE exceptions and certain areas and stipulations that DO PERMIT such arrangements.
Just wanting to clarify. Thanks!

[Redbarn]

Please note that all articles of this discussion that have been in paper (laconia daily sun) have noted that anything in the Weirs/Winnepasakee seasonal/summer rentals are not subject to these fines or ordinances and that whomever is renting to anyone, or anyone seeking an air b&b or like, laconia rental, should be aware of any and all of these ordinances and whether or not they apply to them, there ARE exceptions and certain areas and stipulations that DO PERMIT such arrangements.
Just wanting to clarify. Thanks!

If you are doing short term rentals in laconia you need the permit no matter where you are. Wiers included (cr and sfr). In the wiers there are just different rules once you have the permit.

[Biggd]

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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[Hillcountry]

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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That sucks! Good luck!

[FlyingScot]

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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The bummer here is that you have to figure out how to go after the owner, otherwise you're battling a new renter every week. A homeowner's association near my house discovered that one of its homes was sold to an investor for Air BnB. To nip the problem in the bud, they began enforcing an association rule that the shared beach required guests to be escorted by their homeowner hosts. Ouch!

[garysanfran]

So reviving this thread as I can see I'm going to have an issue this year in Meredith. The house across the street from me to the left was sold to investors this past winter to rent out on Air B&B. The first rental this Memorial Day weekend is young kids with no respect for neighbors. They are loud and obnoxious until late in the night. I have a feeling I will be calling the police tonight. So I can see why there has to be some oversight. We have had a rental directly across the street from us for years but this women has rented to the same families for many years and they have been very respectful. I can see we are going to have a problem this year.🤨

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Find out if they went through a rental agency and notify the agency. I work with Bayside Rentals, never had a problem, but they make it very clear that they'll handle anything that comes along.

[Red apple]

So I know there are a lot of renters but the NH Governor put a ban on all renters since COVID -19? Did they open this back up or is everyone that is doing it renting against the states orders.

[WinnisquamZ]

Renters this past weekend at one house. Other two on the road were empty


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[Biggd]

I looked up the house I mentioned on VRBO and it's booked for July and August. They are getting $300 per night, 3br, says sleeps ten. There were at least ten there Saturday night. I just don't understand how they are going to make any money, between paying taxes, insurance, cleaning fees, and mortgage payments. They paid 715K for the property.

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