What happens to the lake if Romney wins?

[upthesaukee]

The parade was long ... Mitt was last before the fire trucks, but I think it might have been better to have him first and end the anticipation. But maybe they thought people would leave.

...I marched in a parade in Amhearst NH yesterday, and the politicians were last. Emergency vehicles were first...they do that every year, so they are not delayed any longer than is necessary...a good idea. First time I have seen the politicians last...great idea. For the rest of the marchers, it literally shortened the time of the parade as compared to last year by about a half hour. No one walking along the route in the front of the parade trying to shake every hand... on both sides of the street...creating an hour and a half of stop and go marching.

[bigpatsfan]

i hope the secret service stayed 150 feet behind Mitt:laugh:

just noticed that there has to be like fifteen people on that boat... Man that is a lot of little kids to keep track of.

[Mr. V]

just noticed that there has to be like fifteen people on that boat... Man that is a lot of little kids to keep track of.

Not sure, looking at the pic, but my wife wonders if their parents dress each brood in their own family's colors to avoid confusion?

E.g., blue, yellow etc.

A fertile family, no doubt ... but is ferility in this day and age politically correct?

[no-engine]

Seems that most if not all Coast Guard inflatables are red like the photo.
On a recent cruise, they DID have high power machinery mounted. All personnel aboard had very heavy duty life jacket gear, and helmets, as they moved around the ship as it exited the harbor. There may have been two.
All part of U.S. Coast Guard presence on our coasts & harbors.

So, instead of the armed Secret Service on foot, and w big black armored SUV, with presidential candidates, we will see armed Coast Guard boats on any body of water!

EDIT: I am now visiting in Annapolis MD. People are on same "creek" as Coast Guard Station is located farther in. We see them go by, in & out all the time. Man here says same red hulled boats made by Zodiac are all over the country. Nothing new for them to be patrolling coast with ships constantly moving; here there are cargo ships constantly moving in/out of Baltimore, for example.

So, to see them around presidential candidates will be nothing new. Same is true if we were to visit an airport where they fly in & out of, we will see additional aircraft on patrol. Even an added plane or two carries the secure automobile the President rides in, and secret service personnel with their vehicles. Nothing is left to chance.

Therefore, THIS is what will happen and what happens NOW on the LAKE!

[LIforrelaxin]

I think you will find that the Personal on the Coast Guard boats where not only from the Coast guard but also from the Secret Service.... Should Mitt win, I believe you will see Secret Service boats instead of the Coast Guard boats, just like they have in Kennebunk Port Maine, for the Bush family...

The Coast guard is not tasked with protecting the President, or Presidential candidate, The Secret Service is tasked solely with that responsibility.... and they bring there own equipment when practical... If Mitt loses they will not be responsible for his protection any more... Thus right now they are borrowing Coast Guard Equipment.

The Secret Service Vessels in Kennebunk Port Maine, look just like the Coast Guard Boats pictured here. (not surprising at all)... And are heavily armed...

There will also be increased Marine Patrol Presence when Mitt is around... As the Secret Service coordinate with the local law enforcement. I wouldn't be surprise to find out if Mitt Wins, the NH Marine Patrol, gets some Federal Grant Money....


Bottom Line, remember the Secret Service, is responsible for Presidential Candidates, and the President... Not the Coast Guard, not the Military, the Secret Service... So although the boats may have carried coast guard colors, they where maned with Secret Service agents.....

[Pineedles]

I took a bi-plane ride over the lake this afternoon and flew over the Romney compound. No machine guns being mounted or Blackhawk helicopters intercepting. It was a spectacular ride over the whole lake and I would recommend it for anyone. The pilot Phil, expertly piloted the 1935 Waco over Paugus Bay, Meredith, our summer home in Centre Harbor, then went over the Castle in the Clouds, and then back to the LRC for a perfect smooth landing.

[no-engine]

The boat in the above picture is a NH Marine Patrol boat. The attached is a picture of one of the two US Coast Gaurd boats they brought up last week.

George


They are in every coastal port; friends were on a cruise ship out of Baltimore and two of them escorted out the entire distance of Chesapeake Bay to open waters. Personnel wearing protective gear manned the bow & stern guns all the time. Serious! Protection of all Americans.

They also are searching underwater. The boats are very "serious". I am sure will never be loaned, as the crew are highly trained. They likely take aboard NH Marine Patrol, for the local knowledge of the waters, or Secret Service for their duty of protection of presidential candidates.

[ghfromaltonbay]

Heard that Ann Romney was interviewed on The View last week. She talked about dealing with 18 grandkids at their Wolfeboro house by assigning chores such as table setting, clearing, etc. Each grandchild gets gold stars on a chart for weekly chores done. She then mentioned that at the end of the week the reward for the kids is a trip to Black's for a stuffed toy or some other goodie. Wonder how many viewers actually knew what Black's is? She just mentioned it in passing.

[jmen24]

Bottom Line, remember the Secret Service, is responsible for Presidential Candidates, and the President... Not the Coast Guard, not the Military, the Secret Service... So although the boats may have carried coast guard colors, they where maned with Secret Service agents.....

If this was true then the Marines would not be responsible for transporting to and from the airport on either the Sea Kings or Whitehawks (marine one is the only one that actually has the pres. at that time), the Air Force would not be responsible for Air Force 1 as well as the cargo transport of all Marine helicopters and SS detail vehicles and personnel. Both branches have specific divisions that are responsible for their assigned task for presidential details and transportation.

Also the Presidential detail of the SS is only a division of the SS and is for a set period of time and is mandatory. It is not a very fun time, long hours, tons of travel and lots of stress. Not a great stint of time for someone with a family. The lions share of Secret Service work is check fraud and other white collar crimes investigation.

[no-engine]

Marine 1 and Air Force 1, and other aircraft 1 are designated for ONLY THE specific aircraft that is carrying The President of the United States, never the candidates.

[Woodsy]

Interesting lake trivia.....

A good friend of mine from Wolfebore was the Ops officer of HMX-1 for quite a few years... had alot of GREAT stories! Somewhere I still have the Squadron coin he gave me....

You can also expect to be seeing these boats as well... they just got the contract for replacing the old Coast Guard RIBs.. check out the 28 Defiant! A certain principle of that company may or may not have been stopped on Lake Winni for a 150' violation! ;):D

http://www.metalsharkboats.com/

Woodsy

[jmen24]

Marine 1 and Air Force 1, and other aircraft 1 are designated for ONLY THE specific aircraft that is carrying The President of the United States, never the candidates.

You are quite correct, I also exampled that in my response, but stopped at Marine 1. And aircraft "2" is for the Vice P.

The quote I responded to, included both the President and candidates in the exclusion of military use, but I don't think I made my response clear in the separation of the two (being the President and candidates) and how the military is used for the President as standard practice.

[LIforrelaxin]

If this was true then the Marines would not be responsible for transporting to and from the airport on either the Sea Kings or Whitehawks (marine one is the only one that actually has the pres. at that time), the Air Force would not be responsible for Air Force 1 as well as the cargo transport of all Marine helicopters and SS detail vehicles and personnel. Both branches have specific divisions that are responsible for their assigned task for presidential details and transportation.

Also the Presidential detail of the SS is only a division of the SS and is for a set period of time and is mandatory. It is not a very fun time, long hours, tons of travel and lots of stress. Not a great stint of time for someone with a family. The lions share of Secret Service work is check fraud and other white collar crimes investigation.

Not that I want to go toe to toe here, because I don't....

The secret service doesn't have the specialties required to fly air force one, marine 1 etc. that is why these tasks are left to the marines and the airforce. However after reading many articles, and watching many programs, the SS is still task with overseeing all the work on these aircraft, and is responsible for the security of the aircraft as well....The airforce and marines, provide the pilots and the maintenance crews to the Secret Service.

Bottom line, with the airforce and Marines take part of the security and transportation, while on those details the fall under the ultimate control of the Secret Service.

Having talked with the Secret Service, about employment, believe me it isn't just the white collar crime, and the protection of the president that they are involved in. There job is quite diverse.

[Lakesrider]

Well, we don;t have to worry anymore. The elections are all rigged. Here is the proof. :laugh:
We can all go back to watching the Loons zipping around on Wolfeboro Bay...Oh! And the birds too.......:D

http://patdollard.com/2012/10/disturbing-cbs-news-affiliate-accidentally-runs-khyron-dated-november-6-declaring-obama-winner-of-2012-election-4340-40237966-votes-to-38116216/

[patman]

Well, we don;t have to worry anymore. The elections are all rigged. Here is the proof. :laugh:

Ha! Yep, it's all rigged all right! :laugh:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12204-does-the-romney-family-now-own-your-e-vote

The tinfoil hat brigade is out in force on both sides...

[NHKathy]

Heard that Ann Romney was interviewed on The View last week. She talked about dealing with 18 grandkids at their Wolfeboro house by assigning chores such as table setting, clearing, etc. Each grandchild gets gold stars on a chart for weekly chores done. She then mentioned that at the end of the week the reward for the kids is a trip to Black's for a stuffed toy or some other goodie. Wonder how many viewers actually knew what Black's is? She just mentioned it in passing.

I saw this show! As she started talking about their Lake House, i thought woo hoo i know where that is! Then she just casually mentions going to Blacks. So funny - i was thinking the same thing - the people in the studio audience probably had no idea what Blacks was. LOL

[fatlazyless]

Well.....in about two to three days the Town of Wolfeboro will no longer be wondering if Romney will be the next president......nobody knows who will win......it will probably be very close....will Wolfeboro become summer home to the Whitehouse.....or will it stay unchanged?

Voting in Meredith usually takes just 5-minutes or less.......u-go-in.....u-vote...and.....u-leave......pretty simple.....if you want to be part of the process then u-need-to vote!

[tis]

Let's hope we know in 2 or 3 days! Although it will be inconvenient, I think it will be very good for the town of Wolfeboro and the area.

[Pineedles]

Let's hope we know in 2 or 3 days! Although it will be inconvenient, I think it will be very good for the town of Wolfeboro and the area.

I think that is very selflless of you Tis. I hope others will be so open minded, if he wins.:)

[Acrossamerica]

Big time win for Romney across the country and we here in Wolfeboro are thrilled. Once in a life time for the economics of the town and area plus all that great comunication equipment the Secret Service will install. Better broad band for everyone.

[barefootbay]

Being a longtime Wolfeboro resident (40+ years) however inconvenient a Romney win would be to the town ,thank God for America !

[tis]

Since he really is a nice guy as everyone who knows him will tell you, I think he will do as much as he possibly can to protect the town. We know we are dreaming if we think it won't change when he is here, but we will have to learn to live with it or stay out of town when he is here. I am with Acrossamerica, I will be thrilled if he wins.

[secondcurve]

Since he really is a nice guy as everyone who knows him will tell you, I think he will do as much as he possibly can to protect the town. We know we are dreaming if we think it won't change when he is here, but we will have to learn to live with it or stay out of town when he is here. I am with Acrossamerica, I will be thrilled if he wins.

Please let me correct you: When he wins!!

[Jeanzb1]

Fingers and toes crossed!

[patman]

Talking about how this would impact the lake is interesting.

Bloviating over how much you hope Romney wins -- not so much.


(With apologies to Mink Islander...)

[RLW]

Now me, I think he and the family will spend most of his free time IF elected out in California where he is spending big bucks to renovate his multi million dollar home out there. I do not think it would be any different then what Kennibunk was during the other elected officals summer resort was. Wolfeboro is a great town and the lake is just super to all of us and I'm dam sure we all can take him and the family with a big smile.:)

[tis]

I would be very surprised if he isn't here in the summer. He loves it here and I don't think anything will keep him away. I think the only way he would miss Fourth of July here is if he physically wasn't able to get here. I bet he comes at least two or three times WHEN he is president.

[Janet]

I would be very surprised if he isn't here in the summer. He loves it here and I don't think anything will keep him away. I think the only way he would miss Fourth of July here is if he physically wasn't able to get here. I bet he comes at least two or three times WHEN he is president.

Not WHEN, IF he is elected.

[tis]

Now I have been corrected both ways! :laugh::laugh: I like the WHEN better!

[CrownRay]

I can't wait to see the F-15's parked at Laconia Airport :liplick:

[Quilt Lady]

machine guns mounted on the Marine Patrol boats! "We don't give out no stinkin' speeding tickets!"

Or launching a submarine at the Wolfeboro town docks?!?!?:eek:

Where will they keep the black helicopters?

So many questions!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[WakeboardMom]

Voting in Meredith usually takes just 5-minutes or less.......u-go-in.....u-vote...and.....u-leave......pretty simple.....if you want to be part of the process then u-need-to vote!

Make sure that you have your ID!!!!

[dippasan]

I'm Heading to the Romney Rally tonight at the Verizon in Manchester with a bunch of friends. I think it's awesome that he will be in Manchester the night before the election!!
He is an outstanding example of what a U.S. President should be.
I pray that he wins.

[tis]

I'm Heading to the Romney Rally tonight at the Verizon in Manchester with a bunch of friends. I think it's awesome that he will be in Manchester the night before the election!!
He is an outstanding example of what a U.S. President should be.
I pray that he wins.

I agree. Do you know where he will be watching the returns?

[Altonbayicefishingfool]

I'm Heading to the Romney Rally tonight at the Verizon in Manchester with a bunch of friends. I think it's awesome that he will be in Manchester the night before the election!!
He is an outstanding example of what a U.S. President should be.
I pray that he wins.

Amen to that!! Have fun and tell Romney I said hello....

[camp guy]

There have been some subtle improvements made at the formerly-Wolfeboro Airpark, nothing which could support fixed-wing aircraft, but certainly could support a helicopter.

[dippasan]

I agree. Do you know where he will be watching the returns?
I had heard he will be at his home in Belmont Mass.

I am excited about seeing him tonight, hopeful and optimistic he will be elected President tomorrow, and if elected, I will be even more hopeful about the future for our United States, the future for my family, and especially for my 3 son's

[ITD]

I had heard he will be at his home in Belmont Mass.

I am excited about seeing him tonight, hopeful and optimistic he will be elected President tomorrow, and if elected, I will be even more hopeful about the future for our United States, the future for my family, and especially for my 3 son's

Pretty sure Romney sold his Belmont home, he's having an election night rally at the Boston Convention and Exhibition center.

[Heaven]

Why wouldn't they just clear a landing spot at his house in Wolfeboro?

[rrr]

Pretty sure Romney sold his Belmont home, he's having an election night rally at the Boston Convention and Exhibition center.

Sold the house - but bought a condo, still in Belmont. You're right they will be at the convention center tomorrow night.

[WakeboardMom]

...and if elected, I will be even more hopeful about the future for our United States, the future for my family, and especially for my 3 son's

I read an interesting article on that subject today. Even if one doesn't agree, the article makes some interesting points.

(I, too, have three sons.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-hennessy/the-big-lie-i-love-my-gay-friends-but-im-voting-for-romney-anyway_b_2030629.html

[Rusty]

I'm Heading to the Romney Rally tonight at the Verizon in Manchester with a bunch of friends. I think it's awesome that he will be in Manchester the night before the election!!
He is an outstanding example of what a U.S. President should be.
I pray that he wins.

As my good friend Joe Biden would say: "With all due respect, that is a bunch of Malarkey." :D

[SIKSUKR]

I'm Heading to the Romney Rally tonight at the Verizon in Manchester with a bunch of friends. .

If I'm not mistaken Kid Rock is going to be there.

[SIKSUKR]

As my good friend Joe Biden would say: "With all due respect, that is a bunch of Malarkey." :D

Joe! Biden makes ANOTHER gaffe as he says 'there's never been a day in the last four years I've been proud to be his VP'

Finally I agree with him on something.

[Rusty]

Romney has made a few gaffes along the way, I like this one:

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[barefootbay]

Obama made the same identical gaffe with Joe Biden in 2008. So gaffes are equal opportunity sound bites.

[Seaplane Pilot]

I would HAPPILY give up my boating privileges for the next 4 years in order to see Mitt elected. If you-know-who gets re-elected, I won't be able to afford the boat (and probably a lot of other things) anyway.

[secondcurve]

Romney has made a few gaffes along the way, I like this one:

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That is a mistake I could live with!

[WriterRay]

Interesting stuff, folks.
I lived on Martha's Vineyard for about seven years, and during that time Clinton visited regularly. I can tell you that at that time (pre-911, remember), the "disturbance" to public places basically traveled in a large circle around the man (or Mrs. Clinton)...So if he was staying at his condo, you wouldn't know unless you went out that way. And when he came into town, the area immediately around him was upset but you could be a few streets over and never know.
Still, I have to echo some of the comments from those experienced w/ the Bush compound in Maine. A lot depends on where the POTUS is, and whether it can be easily protected - or, "cut off", to put it another way.
BTW, I thought some of you may be interested in the Oct. 30 post on this Lakes Region blog about Romney and his relationship w/ the Town of Wolfeboro... http://lakesregionofnewhampshire.blogspot.com/

[Jeanzb1]

As for where Mr. Romney will be watching the returns -- we are down here in Florida, and I did hear on one of the political shows over this past weekend that he will be at their home in Wolfeboro! The Romneys no longer own a home in Belmont. Does anyone know if there are extra news crews setting up in Wolfeboro? That would surely be an indication of where he will be.

[Belmont Resident]

As for where Mr. Romney will be watching the returns -- we are down here in Florida, and I did hear on one of the political shows over this past weekend that he will be at their home in Wolfeboro! The Romneys no longer own a home in Belmont. Does anyone know if there are extra news crews setting up in Wolfeboro? That would surely be an indication of where he will be.

Hope not I have to drive by there to get to the job.:cool:
Beside these politicians don't want to be in a small out of the way town like Wolfeboro. :rolleye2:
There just is not enough people around to pat them on the back win, loose or draw. :D

[tis]

It appears now he will be in Boston for the returns. At least he is "home".

[rrr]

As for where Mr. Romney will be watching the returns -- we are down here in Florida, and I did hear on one of the political shows over this past weekend that he will be at their home in Wolfeboro! The Romneys no longer own a home in Belmont. Does anyone know if there are extra news crews setting up in Wolfeboro? That would surely be an indication of where he will be.

He's voting in Belmont this morning, then flying off to campaign in two other states (I believe one is PA), then returning to watch the returns at the convention center in Boston. I can see the convention center from my office, there is a ring of satellite trucks surrounding it - since at least yesterday. And they've announced that they're closing down a number of streets this afternoon and there will be no parking in that area.

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

We won't have to speculate tomorrow (hopefully :rolleye2:).

Looking forward to a late night tonight and a fantastic day tomorrow!

[Kamper]

If he loves it here so much, why is his house for sale? :confused:

[jack1706]

That's because -- IT ISN"T FOR SALE !!!!

[AC2717]

Romney just drove by my office, to and from voting!!

Here we go MITT!!!!

[tis]

If he loves it here so much, why is his house for sale? :confused:

Where did that come from?

[gtagrip]

Where did that come from?

Just more lies a false propaganda! :laugh:

[ApS]

Although it will be inconvenient, I think it will be very good for the town of Wolfeboro and the area.
Having been in the middle of a similar election winner settling in The South, the folks of Wolfeboro might not be able to grasp at just how much Wolfeboro will change! :(

There have been some subtle improvements made at the formerly-Wolfeboro Airpark, nothing which could support fixed-wing aircraft, but certainly could support a helicopter.
The Airpark always could support a helicopter: a heliport was a feature for many years. With the next President needing an incredible amount of ancillary equipment, I'd expect the new owners of the Airpark property to lend their full support. ;)

[tis]

Having been in the middle of a similar election winner settling in The South, the folks of Wolfeboro might not be able to grasp at just how much Wolfeboro will change! :(


The Airpark always could support a helicopter: a heliport was a feature for many years. With the next President needing an incredible amount of ancillary equipment, I'd expect the new owners of the Airpark property to lend their full support. ;)


Of course the Marriotts will do all they can to help him. They are friends.

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

Cya Willard! ;)

[patman]

So...what happens now that he didn't win? I suppose the security will remain at least what it was this summer.

[SteveA]

So...what happens now that he didn't win? I suppose the security will remain at least what it was this summer.

Not unless he pays for it himself. X Presidents get covered, not X candidates.
He's now plain old Willard of Wolfeboro.

[Resident 2B]

No security, no press, no crowds. Mitt will have a simple life as a private citizen.

No impact on the lake at all.

R2B

[Kamper]

I thought his lake house was on the market. One of our members posted a link to it last yer (or the year before?).

So technicaly my remark was a "false lie." I only thought it was the truth! :laugh:

[Bear Island South]

I guess the new question is; "what happens to the lake now that Romney lost"
Is it business as usual? :confused:
I am sure gas prices will still be in the $4 dollar range come next summer. :(

[Grandpa Redneck]

I am sure gas prices will still be in the $4 dollar range come next summer. :(

I'm betting on closer to $5 and probably over that

[secondcurve]

I guess the new question is; "what happens to the lake now that Romney lost"
Is it business as usual? :confused:
I am sure gas prices will still be in the $4 dollar range come next summer. :(

Rising income tax rates and the possible exemption of the second home mortgage interest deduction could also have a chilling impact on the vacation home marketplace in the lakes region. Someone will need to pay for all of the federal spending at some point.

[tis]

I thought his lake house was on the market. One of our members posted a link to it last yer (or the year before?).

So technicaly my remark was a "false lie." I only thought it was the truth! :laugh:

I think you may be thinking of the discussion of Appe's house being for sale and the rumor that Romney might move into it for easier protection is elected.

I hate to think what the next four years will bring. I am hoping for the best but cannot see anything good coming of this election on all fronts. I hope I am so wrong.

[Rusty]

I think you may be thinking of the discussion of Appe's house being for sale and the rumor that Romney might move into it for easier protection is elected.

I hate to think what the next four years will bring. I am hoping for the best but cannot see anything good coming of this election on all fronts. I hope I am so wrong.

You are.

I would like to congratulate President Obama for getting the opportunity to be President for four more years.

God Bless America!

[tis]

You are.

I would like to congratulate President Obama for getting the opportunity to be President for four more years.

God Bless America!


I am? Does that mean that Obama is going to do things differently this time, in other words not be so socialist?

[Lakesrider]

I'd just like to remind everyone that America did not vote O back into office. Almost half the country did not. I hope he got that message last night. He did not have a landslide by any stretch of the imagination and at a 50 something percent approval....he better start actually doing some work with out the partisanship crap going on in Congress.
I urge everyone starting today to contact your House and Senate Representatives if you are not happy with the way things are going in Washington. Just to remind them that THEY work for YOU. Not the other way around. The time to sit, wait and see is long over as we saw by the voter turn out and the new voter registrations yesterday. It was nice to see Americans get active in their civic duty to get out and vote.

Does anyone know the results of the Puerto Rico vote to become a State? I can't find anything on it?

[hilltopper]

I'd just like to remind everyone that America did not vote O back into office. Almost half the country did not. I hope he got that message last night. He did not have a landslide by any stretch of the imagination and at a 50 something percent approval....he better start actually doing some work with out the partisanship crap going on in Congress.
I urge everyone starting today to contact your House and Senate Representative if you are not happy with the way things are going in Washington. Just to remind them that THEY work for YOU. Not the other way around.

Does anyone know the results of the Puerto Rico vote to become a State? I can't find anything on it?

Does it even matter if he "got the message"? For the next four years he doesn't have to be concerned about getting reelected. Now that's a scary thought...

[AC2717]

in all fronts, anyone else think the electoral college needs to go?
I knwo Romney did not end up winning the popular vote, but why should 9-11 states depict who runs the country, like someone from Utah, and then also RI stated, why should I even vote, my vote does not count

[Lakesrider]

Does it even matter if he "got the message"? For the next four years he doesn't have to be concerned about getting reelected. Now that's a scary thought...

Well I hope it does. He was elected. He can be unelected....Well you know what I mean.....:D

[birchhaven]

in all fronts, anyone else think the electoral college needs to go?
I knwo Romney did not end up winning the popular vote, but why should 9-11 states depict who runs the country, like someone from Utah, and then also RI stated, why should I even vote, my vote does not count

The electoral college is required so that does not happen. If it did not exist then the election would be dicided by a dozen or so city centers on the coast of the country and important minorities, (for example farmers in the mid west) would have no pull and polititions would only cater to the wants and needs of the city centers. While some may say that is a good thing, certain demographics views are still important, like farmers/food supple.
I can keep going but I think you get it.

[jrc]

I believe the electoral college still has value:
1) It forces candidates to pay attention to small and rural states. Without the EC a candidate could easily win the popular vote with only urban votes.

2) The EC penalizes one party states. Candidates can safely ignore states that do not have robust competition in their governments.

This country is great because we have a robust competition of ideas. We argue about them, then we vote. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I would not want to live in a country where one side always won, even if it was my side.

Everyone knows that the other side is watching and is ready to pounce if you screw up, it keeps you on your toes.

The President knows that the next 4 years defines his legacy. He wants to turn this country around and be a success. He does not want to go in the history books as "not as bad as GWB". So he will have to make a few deals with Boehner.

[P-3 Guy]

I am? Does that mean that Obama is going to do things differently this time, in other words not be so socialist?

Interesting. What has Obama done in the past four years that is "so socialist"?

[Seaplane Pilot]

You are.

I would like to congratulate President Obama for getting the opportunity to be President for four more years.

God Bless America!

We are DOOMED.

Oh to have our only major concern be the speed limit on Winni once again. Looking back, it was like camelot! You have no idea what lies ahead....

[Mr. V]

Dang, Gary Johnson lost.

NH voted for Obama?

I thought you people were conservative.

Is "Live Free of Die" even a viable slogan for NH any more?

[AC2717]

As of 11am Markets are tanking
the Dow is down 284.25 points under 13,000
Nasdaq down 59.05
S&P 500 down 27.93

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!!

[MikeF-NH]

I don't like to get too sucked into politics on these message boards so I will try to keep my statement non-partisan. ANY president who enjoys being elected to a second term, enjoys that priviledge because they are no longer concerned about job approval. Sure they want to leave a positive legacy BUT their chief concern is pushing their agenda through with a ramrod and without concern of public opinion. Their hope is then that the public will see in the following years that they were right and that will be written in history. If they are wrong they have lost nothing but historical opinion.

If you liked what a POTUS did in term one, expect that he will continue moving in that direction in high gear. If you didn't like what he was doing, expect to be VERY unhappy with what you are about to experience. Regardless, Obama is our President for 4 more years....my hope is that it was the right choice made by our citizenry and the beauty of it is it was the choice made by the citizens in the system we are currently in.

I found it interesting that if FLA with I think 30 EC votes that was won by 1% and I think WVA with 18 or 20 EC votes that was won by less than 2% had gone the other way, we'd have a new POTUS....it was a closer election than it seems based on final EC counts. We are certainly a country pretty evenly divided in what we want from our leadership.

God bless America and thank you for all that went out and voted for either candidate.

[P-3 Guy]

As of 11am Markets are tanking
the Dow is down 284.25 points under 13,000
Nasdaq down 59.05
S&P 500 down 27.93

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!!

The markest are down today primarily because of comments made by the president of the European Central Bank, not because of the U.S. election results. Wall Street guys are numbers guys, and they could read the writing on the wall from all the extensive polling data available over the last year, and especially as the election got closer. Obama's victory was already factored into the markets.

[P-3 Guy]

I found it interesting that if FLA with I think 30 EC votes that was won by 1% and I think WVA with 18 or 20 EC votes that was won by less than 2% had gone the other way, we'd have a new POTUS....it was a closer election than it seems based on final EC counts. We are certainly a country pretty evenly divided in what we want from our leadership.

You mean Virginia and not West Virginia, right? West Virginia has 5 electoral votes and Virginia has 13. Florida has 29 electoral votes. Anyway, your math doesn't work. Given a situation where Obama loses Florida, Virginia and West Virginia, and the other states reflect the real results, Obama still wins with 290 electoral votes, 20 more than is needed. Even if you add Ohio to his theoretical losses, he still wins the race with 272 electoral votes.

[P-3 Guy]

I'd just like to remind everyone that America did not vote O back into office.

Wow, you and I must have been watching different election results last night.

[AC2717]

The markest are down today primarily because of comments made by the president of the European Central Bank, not because of the U.S. election results. Wall Street guys are numbers guys, and they could read the writing on the wall from all the extensive polling data available over the last year, and especially as the election got closer. Obama's victory was already factored into the markets.

then why did the coal stocks shoot up on MOnday and Tuesday?

[P-3 Guy]

then why did the coal stocks shoot up on MOnday and Tuesday?

I'm pretty sure that there were certain sectors that moved before the election based on misjudged predictions, and that there are certain sectors today that are moving based on the actual results, but as I said earlier, today's sell off should not be attributed primarily to the election.

[Seaplane Pilot]

One of my favorite radio talk show hosts explained it like this:

"You can't vote against Santa Claus".

That explains BO's victory perfectly.

[Bear Island South]

We are certainly a country pretty evenly divided in what we want from our leadership.

Looking at the results you are correct with the above statetment.
Popular vote: Obama-60mil vs Romney-57mil, States: Obama 25 vs Romney 24, Florida will most likely go to Obama but out of the 8 million that voted 47K separates the two.

I really hope his plan is different from the last 4 years, because I am not on board with the status quo!

[P-3 Guy]

One of my favorite radio talk show hosts explained it like this:

"You can't vote against Santa Claus".

That explains BO's victory perfectly.

Maybe if you prefer not to dig a little deeper and figure out what really happened.

A coalition that is based mainly on older, straight white men is an endangered political species. Hopefully the leaders of the Republican party will figure that out. If not, they will keep losing elections.

Also, a party that runs candidates who hold extreme views threatens its viability in other races, up and down the ticket and across state lines. Republican senate candidates Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock in Missouri and Indiana respectively are examples of this. Until Akin opened his mouth in August and talked about "legitimate rape," the Republicans were on track to gain control of the senate. And if Republican moderate Dick Lugar hadn't been beaten in the primary by tea party backed Mourdock (who made his own comments about rape), the Republicans very likely would have held that seat.

[P-3 Guy]

Looking at the results you are correct with the above statetment.
Popular vote: Obama-60mil vs Romney-57mil, States: Obama 25 vs Romney 24, Florida will most likely go to Obama but out of the 8 million that voted 47K separates the two.

I agree, there is a deep political division within our country, but it's not something that's happened within the past few years.

I'm sure that everyone remembers the 2000 presidential election, when George W. Bush won the electoral vote but lost the popular vote. You can't get much more divided than that.

[Phantom]

Reckon we can close this thread Now !!
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[SteveA]

First State to ever have 100 % Female Congressional Delegation and Female Governor!

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/07/new-hampshire-becomes-first-state-with-woman-governor-all-female-congressional-delegation/YnzAVdLJ7x1GhdVsyRHubM/story.html

[PaugusBayFireFighter]

As of 11am Markets are tanking
the Dow is down 284.25 points under 13,000
Nasdaq down 59.05
S&P 500 down 27.93

GOOD JOB AMERICA!!!!

The market bottomed on March 9, 2009, about seven weeks after he was sworn in. Since then, the Dow is up 100.3%. The S&P 500 has jumped 109.5%, and the Nasdaq has soared 136.5%. The Russell 2000 has surged 138.5%.

You show 1 of 1460 days since he's been in office....really?

Using the stock market to show how wrong the voters were last night is not where you want to go...

[gtagrip]

The markest are down today primarily because of comments made by the president of the European Central Bank, not because of the U.S. election results. Wall Street guys are numbers guys, and they could read the writing on the wall from all the extensive polling data available over the last year, and especially as the election got closer. Obama's victory was already factored into the markets.

Wrong! Get online and start reading!

[gtagrip]

I'm pretty sure that there were certain sectors that moved before the election based on misjudged predictions, and that there are certain sectors today that are moving based on the actual results, but as I said earlier, today's sell off should not be attributed primarily to the election.

Wrong again! All of the 30 Blue Chips are down today!

[brk-lnt]

The market bottomed on March 9, 2009, about seven weeks after he was sworn in. Since then, the Dow is up 100.3%.

You are correct. After 4 years in office the stock market is essentially back to where it was right before Obama was sworn in... Or to put it another way, he has managed after this time to recover all the losses, putting us at break-even over the course of his tenure.

Neither spin is particularly complimentary to his efforts, but depending on the story you want to tell, these statistics are good data points to interpret to your liking.

[P-3 Guy]

Wrong! Get online and start reading!

Tell me what your reasoning and sources are, provide a link; then we can have an intelligent conversation.

[P-3 Guy]

Wrong again! All of the 30 Blue Chips are down today!

Read what I posted again. I never said that all the DJIA stocks were not down today. The discussion was about why the market is acting the way it is today.

[gtagrip]

Tell me what your reasoning and sources are, provide a link; then we can have an intelligent conversation.

"MarketWatch", "Wall Street Cheat Sheet", and "TheStreet" for a few examples.

[P-3 Guy]

You are correct. After 4 years in office the stock market is essentially back to where it was right before Obama was sworn in... Or to put it another way, he has managed after this time to recover all the losses, putting us at break-even over the course of his tenure.

Neither spin is particularly complimentary to his efforts, but depending on the story you want to tell, these statistics are good data points to interpret to your liking.

No, we are not break even over the course of his tenure. If the Dow was at 12,932, the NASDAQ at 2,937 and the S&P 500 at 1,394 on January 20, 2009, then we would be at break even over the course of Obama's first term to date. In fact, on January 20, 2009 the Dow opened at 8,279, the NASDAQ composite at 1,520, and the S&P 500 at 849.

Now, I'm not saying that the increase in the markets since January 20, 2009 is because of Obama or his policies. The markets were in such a bad place when he took office that it's possible that Bonzo the chimp could have been president and the markets would have gone up. But to say that the markets have only broken even since Obama was inaugurated is simply not accurate.

[Acrossamerica]

First State to ever have 100 % Female Congressional Delegation and Female Governor!

http://www.boston.com/politicalintelligence/2012/11/07/new-hampshire-becomes-first-state-with-woman-governor-all-female-congressional-delegation/YnzAVdLJ7x1GhdVsyRHubM/story.html

Given their basic agenda does that mean free sex for all or only the "chosen"

[P-3 Guy]

"MarketWatch", "Wall Street Cheat Sheet", and "TheStreet" for a few examples.

Great. What are they saying about today's sell off? Are they claiming that it's primarily because of the election results? And if so, why?

Here's what I read about today's market action: "Investors renew their focus on a looming fiscal showdown in Congress. Comments by ECB President Mario Draghi feed concerns about Europe's debt crisis." With a still divided Congress and Obama's first term not expiring until January 20 next year, the fiscal showdown happens whether or not Obama wins the election.

[Heaven]

given their basic agenda does that mean free sex for all or only the "chosen" . . . . huh????

[Just Sold]

OK enough is enough. This thread had travelled way away from its original question. Romney lost the election and it no longer pertains to the lake. Time to close it and take the "other" subjects to an appropriate forum on economics and politics.

[SteveA]

Given their basic agenda does that mean free sex for all or only the "chosen"



I'm out.. this is way off the original topic..

[NoRegrets]

The market bottomed on March 9, 2009, about seven weeks after he was sworn in. Since then, the Dow is up 100.3%. The S&P 500 has jumped 109.5%, and the Nasdaq has soared 136.5%. The Russell 2000 has surged 138.5%.

You show 1 of 1460 days since he's been in office....really?

Using the stock market to show how wrong the voters were last night is not where you want to go...

The economy and consequences of our elected officials impact the economy of the lake. Romney is a celebrity that makes the lake exciting. There is a special event that occurs when national, global, or hollywood personalities are spotted in our area.

I can't do the research today but the dow and other indicators are not static. Each number is an average of a select few companies that are traded in each of the different markets. The Dow industrial is an average of 30 top companies. The bottom of the performers are swapped out for better companies. This September Kraft was removed and United Health Group replaced it. There were 4 other companies replaced since 2008 / 9 making a comparison of the average worthless. You would be better off using a mutual fund or basic commodities and cost of food and energy for a financial comparison over time.

[ApS]

I guess the new question is; "what happens to the lake now that Romney lost"
Is it business as usual? :confused:

Wolfeboro has "dodged that bullet". (shrug). However, in today's terror-environment, Romney's Secret Service protection should continue for four years—it's not getting easier to find candidates for President. :(

It's been twenty years since repeal, but our newest voters have few memories of what the "Luxury Tax" (http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/cheri-jacobus/171623-job-killing-corporate-jet-tax) did to the boating industry.

Rising income tax rates and the possible exemption of the second home mortgage interest deduction could also have a chilling impact on the vacation home marketplace in the lakes region.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Would this revision express your statement more clearly?

Rising income tax rates and the possible repeal of the second home mortgage interest deduction could also have a chilling impact on the vacation home marketplace in the lakes region.

For Wolfeboro, that would be catastrophic. :eek2:

Moultonborough would have it even worse! :eek:

[fatlazyless]

.....mortgage......shmoregage......like who cares about the deducting your mortgage interest what with today's very very low interest rates......long gone is the 15-year, 9% annual interest, 1/3 total down, seller financing type of a deal from 20-years ago...

....besides, when you have crappy credit, then no bank will loan you any money, anyway....

....about the only type mortgage I'll ever qualify....is one of those reverse mortgage scams......as seen on TV.....promoted by Fred Thompson, attorney, actor, U S Senator from Tennessee 1993-2004, & Republican 2008 presidential candidate ...... plus one has to be 62 years old for that so I'm about a year away(?)