Marina Gas Price Comments

[AC2717]

Has anyone had a chance to see what the Marina gas prices are yet?
I just drove by two gas stations on the street in RI and they were $3.55 and $3.59 for 87 Octane.

It is time again to start the gas prices update around the lake.

[Slickcraft]

Fay's was $4.05 today, no idea what it will be tomorrow. They were just a little bit busy there today.

There were a few more boats out on the lake today including a few fools up on plane. There is a lot of debree out there and some is water logged hiding just out of sight. It is tempting to get into it on such a nice calm day with little traffic but you may really pay for it.

[WeirsBeachBoater]

I believe Lakeport Landing will be open this weekend rumor has it gas will be approx $3.90

[Cristen]

It's going to be an expensive summer. So, does anyone know how to sail???

[Justenuff]

Originally Posted by Cristen

It's going to be an expensive summer. So, does anyone know how to sail???

I used a total of 6 gallons last summer.
//went slow, enjoyed every minute of it, except when getting swamped and tossed by large wakes on calmer days (not placing any blame, just keeps me on my toes)

[Paugus Bay Resident]

3.939 at Irwins today, paid 3.579 last May (.36 difference), 225 gallons in the tanks, ready to go after "debris out". Much more important day than "ice out" IMHO

[fatlazyless]

25dollars filled both tanks w/ about 7 1/2 gals at the Irving 3.489 gas station. Cannot remember the last time I bought at a marina.

Slightly off-topic but anyone notice the candid short on tonights NBC Nightly News with the guy sitting behind the steering wheel who says; "We used to drive to New Hampshire every weekend, but not anymore. Not at these prices!"

[Airwaves]

FLL, looks like we have to get used to it!

To take it beyond gas prices for the boat (I am considering not bothering to even register this year), I have 5 weeks open on my place this summer, last year I only had 1!

Brian William's buddy not driving to NH apparently isn't the only one taking a pass!

[Silver Duck]

So far as I'm aware, some (many?) of the marinas will again be pumping non-ethanol gas (which is said to be a better choice for marine use), while gas stations are pumping gas with ethanol added.

From everything I've read, and the threads that were active a couple of years ago, it is not a good idea to casually mix the two types of gas.

Just something for folks that trailer their boats to be aware of this season.

Silver Duck

[Slickcraft]

Originally Posted by Silver Duck

So far as I'm aware, some (many?) of the marinas will again be pumping non-ethanol gas (which is said to be a better choice for marine use), while gas stations are pumping gas with ethanol added.
Silver Duck

As I noted elsewhere, the Alton Village Store has a note at the counter that their gas does not contain ethanol. The owner did tell me that they have to pay extra to get gas without ethanol.

[Knomad]

Melvin Village Marina is selling 89 octane non-ethanol for $3.99

[Grady223]

Originally Posted by Silver Duck

So far as I'm aware, some (many?) of the marinas will again be pumping non-ethanol gas (which is said to be a better choice for marine use), while gas stations are pumping gas with ethanol added.

From everything I've read, and the threads that were active a couple of years ago, it is not a good idea to casually mix the two types of gas.

Just something for folks that trailer their boats to be aware of this season.

Silver Duck

I don't want to get another Ethanol thread going but just wanted to mention that the issue is not mixing ethanol and non ethanol - boaters should not use ethanol.

[Wolfeboro_Baja]

Originally Posted by Grady223

I don't want to get another Ethanol thread going but just wanted to mention that the issue is not mixing ethanol and non ethanol - boaters should not use ethanol.

I would LOVE to not use fuel containing ethanol but it's becoming next to impossible. Since I'm not rich, I trailer my boat to save on slip rental fees and high marina fuel prices. Unfortunately, that means that by filling up on the street, I'm going to get fuel with ethanol 99.44% of the time......I can't avoid it. It also seems, from reading this thread, that most of the marinas (perhaps not all) will have ethanol in their fuel anyways so it would still be hard to avoid fuel containing ethanol in my boat even if I wasn't trailering.

On the plus side, my boat is a 2004 model with a Mercruiser engine. The owners manual for my engine states there should be no problems running gas with up to 10% ethanol. The only precautions that need to be taken occur at winter storage time; either completely drain the fuel tank and fuel system or completely fill the tank and use a quality fuel stabilizer in the right proportion to protect the fuel from degrading during the off-season, which is exactly what I've been doing. So far, so good, I haven't had any problems but I fear that some day, I will have problems and it will be EXPENSIVE!

[Orion]

Originally Posted by Grady223

I don't want to get another Ethanol thread going but just wanted to mention that the issue is not mixing ethanol and non ethanol - boaters should not use ethanol.

Boaters with newer boats should not be complacent about use of ethanol. Ethanol has an affinity for water and absorbs water from humid air (i.e. like the air around any body of water!). It then settles out of the gas mixture and creates a layer which can damage the engine. Stabilizer will not prevent this. Sad that this ethanol folly continues to be supported by the politicians and corn growers.

[SIKSUKR]

Originally Posted by Orion

Boaters with newer boats should not be complacent about use of ethanol. Ethanol has an affinity for water and absorbs water from humid air (i.e. like the air around any body of water!). It then settles out of the gas mixture and creates a layer which can damage the engine. Stabilizer will not prevent this. Sad that this ethanol folly continues to be supported by the politicians and corn growers.

Most boats have a water separator.My PWC does.I'd be more concerned about the type of fuel tank if it is made of fiberglass.

[Orion]

Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Most boats have a water separator.My PWC does.I'd be more concerned about the type of fuel tank if it is made of fiberglass.

according to the Boat/US article:
"There is no quick fix. When MTBE becomes saturated with water, it remains chemically bonded to the gasoline—MTBE doesn’t phase separate—and a water separator can eliminate the excess moisture. With ethanol-enhanced gasoline, however, once phase separation occurs, additives and water separators can’t help; the only remedy is to have gasoline/ethanol/water pumped from the tank."

[SIKSUKR]

My bad,I stand corrected.I trailer my boat so I've always used fuel at pumps off the lake and assume they have had the blend since,well since whenever Nh pumps started using it.I've not had any problems in 5 years.I need to know more.

[jrc]

First you have to get past old fuel lines and fiberglass fuel tanks, which are either dangerous, expensive or both. Get those fixed or somehow avoid ethanol.

After that, the only real way to avoid ethanol problems, if you can't avoid ethanol, is keep your gas fresh. That means buy gas from places that push a lot of fuel, so you know it fresh. Only buy what fuel you can use in a few weeks. Ethanol sucks water from the air, so the longer it's hanging around, the more water you get. Eventually the fuel can't hold the water and problems can happen.

[moepro]

I looked the other day and it was @ $4.09

Looks like there will be a lot of sitting at the sand bar this year.

[KBoater]

Feel good about NH gas. I just paid $4.77 in FL.

[Pricestavern]

Originally Posted by Orion

according to the Boat/US article:
"There is no quick fix. When MTBE becomes saturated with water, it remains chemically bonded to the gasoline—MTBE doesn’t phase separate—and a water separator can eliminate the excess moisture. With ethanol-enhanced gasoline, however, once phase separation occurs, additives and water separators can’t help; the only remedy is to have gasoline/ethanol/water pumped from the tank."

Is there any way to check your tank to see if the dreaded phase separation has occurred? I've overwintered my boat at W. Alton Marina with a full tank of gas (about 60 gallons).

[Orion]

Originally Posted by Pricestavern

Is there any way to check your tank to see if the dreaded phase separation has occurred? I've overwintered my boat at W. Alton Marina with a full tank of gas (about 60 gallons).

If you had a full tank, it should be ok. The problem mainly occurs if there is air space in the tank which allows moist air into the tank when temperature changes occur.

[Orion]

Irving on Rt. 25 in Ctr Harbor is another one that does not have ethanol in their fuel.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Orion

Boaters with newer boats should not be complacent about use of ethanol. Ethanol has an affinity for water and absorbs water from humid air (i.e. like the air around any body of water!). It then settles out of the gas mixture and creates a layer which can damage the engine. Stabilizer will not prevent this. Sad that this ethanol folly continues to be supported by the politicians and corn growers.

Very true. Ethanol has been wreaking havoc in small engines, especially 2 strokes. You should have seen the carburator on my snowblower last fall. U.G.L.Y.
I was having some probs with my snowmobile this winter. It was running real rough in the midrange, and that was after I took apart and cleaned my carbs. I added some Iso-Heet to the gas, and that cleared it up. I suspected that it had something to do with the ethanol. I will most definately be running at least a small amount of Iso in my PWC this summer.

[gtxrider]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Very true. Ethanol has been wreaking havoc in small engines, especially 2 strokes. You should have seen the carburator on my snowblower last fall. U.G.L.Y.
I was having some probs with my snowmobile this winter. It was running real rough in the midrange, and that was after I took apart and cleaned my carbs. I added some Iso-Heet to the gas, and that cleared it up. I suspected that it had something to do with the ethanol. I will most definately be running at least a small amount of Iso in my PWC this summer.

Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer offers a product for ethanol blends. Might be worth an investment!

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by gtxrider

Sta-Bil fuel stabilizer offers a product for ethanol blends. Might be worth an investment!

Been there, tried that. Funny thing...I never used Sta-bil before last fall. Used it, and had probs on both machines I used it on. Maybe I should have just skipped it.

[Jeti]

Here is my budget for the day on the lake:

Gas in the Escalade: $100
Gas in the 2 Jetski's: $180
Food and drinks: $75.00
Total: $355.00

Is it worth it? HELL YA!

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Jeti

Here is my budget for the day on the lake:

Gas in the Escalade: $100
Gas in the 2 Jetski's: $180
Food and drinks: $75.00
Total: $355.00

Is it worth it? HELL YA!

After spending that much $$ on gas, you better up the budget for the drinks...helps drown the sorrows.

[Wolfeboro_Baja]

Originally Posted by chipj29

After spending that much $$ on gas, you better up the budget for the drinks...helps drown the sorrows.

But make sure you have a designated driver first!!!

(sigh).............It's going to be an awfully expensive summer boating season.

[Aquadeziac]

How many days a week can you afford to do that?

[PC31]

If any one wants to go back to the subject at hand. Gas at Lakeport 3.95

Irwin 4.09 and Channel 3.89. Saturday.

[Bear Island South]

[QUOTE=AC2717;68486]Has anyone had a chance to see what the Marina gas prices are yet?
I just drove by two gas stations on the street in RI and they were $3.55 and $3.59 for 87 Octane.

It is time again to start the gas prices update around the lake.

Sheps was at $3.89 on Saturday, they are increasing to $4.39 on their next delivery which could be this week.

[Woodsy]

$4.01 @ Anchor Marine

[Winopt]

I spoke with someone today that said that the Boston harbor marinas were close to $6/gallon. Lake Winnipesaukee marinas seem to be consistently around .50/gallon over the area gas stations. Considering the lake stations are full service with “pump-out” and “water fill-up”, I don’t think that the cost of fuel is all that bad at our local marinas. Let's just hope fuel prices find someway to drop back down!

[Island Life]

Glad I left it with a full tank! We'll see how far I can stretch that first tank of gas.

[GWC...]

Here's a news flash from Shell...

Sales were up 55 percent to $114 billion.

Now, doesn't that make you happy for Shell?!?!?!

So much for reducing personal usage by 10%...

Have a great Summer on the Lake...

[dpg]

Originally Posted by GWC...

Here's a news flash from Shell...

Sales were up 55 percent to $114 billion.

Now, doesn't that make you happy for Shell?!?!?!

So much for reducing personal usage by 10%...

Have a great Summer on the Lake...

I don't get it, I thought the prices were going up for the stations also? I remember a thread a short time ago when people argued filling stations were only making pennies per gallon. So who's jacking up prices OPEC or the oil companies themselves? Oil day traders aren't helping matters any either.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by GWC...

Here's a news flash from Shell...

Sales were up 55 percent to $114 billion.

Now, doesn't that make you happy for Shell?!?!?!

So much for reducing personal usage by 10%...

Have a great Summer on the Lake...

Their sales are up because their prices went up.
What was their profit in terms of percent of their sales? not dollars...percent?

[kjbathe]

Originally Posted by chipj29

Their sales are up because their prices went up.
What was their profit in terms of percent of their sales? not dollars...percent?

It's not what people want to hear, but Oil's profit margin is less than Microsoft GM or even McDonald's, yet we're not proposing new taxes for those organizations.

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by kjbathe

It's not what people want to hear, but Oil's profit margin is less than Microsoft GM or even McDonald's, yet we're not proposing new taxes for those organizations.

Bingo!
I wish I was smart enough to hold onto that Exxon stock my Dad bought back in the early 80's.

[sa meredith]

I think this thread is turning into discussion, as opposed to it's intended purpose...helping people find the cheapest gas on the lake. Anyway, just my opinion.
Does anyone know Lakeport's price?
Also:KJ Bathe,
Don't really see the your analogy, at all. Noone, in any way, shape, or form needs to buy McDonald's products, and noone has to do business with Microsoft. But gas and oil???!!! Don't really see where we have a choice. (spare me the part about driving a bike to work, or driving less). Gas prices continue to climb AND CRIPLE OUR ECONOMY, and yet profits for the oil companies are increasing. Yes, they have a product we have to buy...but what is causing the daily increase in prices?
Just venting, as current economic conditions are destroying my life, and everything I have worked for....

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I think this thread is turning into discussion, as opposed to it's intended purpose...helping people find the cheapest gas on the lake. Anyway, just my opinion.
Does anyone know Lakeport's price?
Also:KJ Bathe,
Don't really see the your analogy, at all. Noone, in any way, shape, or form needs to buy McDonald's products, and noone has to do business with Microsoft. But gas and oil???!!! Don't really see where we have a choice. (spare me the part about driving a bike to work, or driving less). Gas prices continue to climb AND CRIPLE OUR ECONOMY, and yet profits for the oil companies are increasing. Yes, they have a product we have to buy...but what is causing the daily increase in prices?
Just venting, as current economic conditions are destroying my life, and everything I have worked for....

I can agree with you on all points, but one. First gas prices are killing me, as my commute is 100 miles a day.
However, the gas/oil companies are public companies. In our country, companies are free to make as much money as they can. Do we need gas/oil? Of course we do. However they are not the ones setting the prices...the commodoties traders/brokers are.

Take a look at the profit percentages of the oil companies. On average, their profit is 8-14% of gross. That has not changed, even with higher prices. Exxon/Mobil just made a $10 billion profit last quarter, which was 10% of the gross. In other words, it is costing them more to make it. Their profit percentage has stayed the same.

I am not defending the oil companies, just trying to set the record straight. Would I like to see prices go down? Sure would...but until we reduce our demand significantly, it is not going to happen.

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I think this thread is turning into discussion, as opposed to it's intended purpose...helping people find the cheapest gas on the lake. Anyway, just my opinion.
Does anyone know Lakeport's price?

This was my intent, so we really do need gas price updates, the season is here!

[kjbathe]

The Genie's out of the bottle, so let's do this and then get back to gas price updates around the lake....

My point is this: Folks like to pile on the oil companies for making huge profits. Now some folks think we should be taxing those "excess" profits. But these folks weren't rushing to bail out oil companies when they were losing money, bleeding jobs, and being forced to consolidate. So if we start down the slippery slope of taxing excess profits, where does it end? Disney just reported a 22% pop in Q1 results and over $1B in profit. Is it time for the government to crack down on gate fees and start taxing the mouse?

Oil companies are making money, and a lot of it. But that's why many companies go into business in this country -- to make money. It's easy to think they should just give some of that money back because it costs us more to buy their product, but that's not how the free market works. We also have to put the discussion in the proper context. These are not oil companies as much as they are energy companies. And If we think that taxing the energy companies more is going to help gas prices, you need to think again. In reality, companies don't pay taxes, CUSTOMERS of companies pay taxes. Slap a windfall profits tax on these energy companies and they'll just pass that additional cost right through to the pump. Washington taking their cut of the action, of course.

So taxing these supposed excess profits isn't the solution. Especially when certain folks want to start by taxing energy companies with profit margins well below that of many other companies. So what is the solution?

We have a worldwide population that is consuming gads and gads of oil-based products and looking for more. India, China, Europe, and the US are all competing for the same oil coming out of the same limited number of holes poked in the earth. OPEC has no interest in increasing production to ease demand and in this country no one wants to poke more holes off our coast, drill in Alaska, put a wind farm off the Cape, streamline the permitting process to increase refining capacity or approve more Nuclear Power plants. So here we are at $4.09 and climbing. And short of reducing demand, producing more of our own and actively engaging to develop new technologies, there is no current solution.

And we did it to ourselves...

[fatlazyless]

Here's how to get a Lakes Region, Meredith McMeal, for less than the price of a gallon of gasoline.

$3.24, 3.00 & 0.24 NH tax, gets you a choice of a double cheeseburger or mcchicken sandwich, choice of 4 different side salads, a yogurt parfait, and a big cup of drinking water. Probably less than the price of just the tip at many other area restaurants

All for 3.24, which is now less than a gallon of gasoline. The Meredith McDonald's is simply head & shoulders above most all other McDonalds.

Something to think about while you are towing the boat north to Lake Winnipesaukee........ $3.24 for a not too bad meal.

[AC2717]

Even though I want this back to gas prices only
what kjbathe is saying is true and I agree, except oil is a commodity, just like a utility is and utilities are regulated by state and federal governments. The Mouse (Disney) is something you can do with out, and therefore even more of a great busines venture because it is not needed yet they increase in profits every year!

The main issue is this, gas/oil is somethign that is used every day much like a utility, and as the old saying can go, it looks like a utility, smells like a utility, sounds like a utility, walks like a utility, then it is a UTILITY! and therefore just like the other public companies that run utilities are regulated so too should gas companies, but then in all over our government, not just the top, there are a lot of Oil Babies.

NOW BACK TO THE MATTER AT HAND - HOW MUCH TO FILL MY 70 GALLON TANK!

[chipj29]

Getting back to the intent of this thread...no matter how we slice it, it is going to be an expensive boating season. Make sure you all save your receipts to submit for the state tax reimbursement...assuming that can still be done.

[Aquadeziac]

Back when gas was $2/gal we were told how lucky we were because gas in other countries (France, U.K., Japan etc) was $5, $6, $7 /gal. Are the prices in these other countries rising correspondingly? Are they now paying $8, $10, $12 gal? Haven't heard THAT information in the news. I watched Irving across the street raise their gas almost $ .10 in three jumps between 8:30 this morning and 2:00 this afternoon and they got no fuel deliveries at all. How much is enough? $10/gal? $12/gal? Whats the figure? $1000 to fill the tank in my boat? $150 to fill the tank in my midsized car? $15 to fill the tank in my lawnmower for my postage stamp lawn? The Genie is definately out of the bottle and he likes being out.

[Fish]

Monday the price at Lakeport was $3.82, anyone find anything lower than that?

[kchace]

Originally Posted by Aquadeziac

Back when gas was $2/gal we were told how lucky we were because gas in other countries (France, U.K., Japan etc) was $5, $6, $7 /gal. Are the prices in these other countries rising correspondingly? Are they now paying $8, $10, $12 gal?

I guess the answer is yes:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&cl...um=11&ct=title


Ken

[kjbathe]

"WASHINGTON - With gasoline prices topping $4 a gallon, Senate Democrats want the government to grab some of the billions of dollars in profits being taken in by the major oil companies."

I like that they got it right in their use of "grab". How will that help any of us?

And my favorite quote from today's story is, "The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy," said Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat.

Yah. That thinking is exactly how this country was built. We're going to tax ourselves out of this problem. Brilliant...

[AC2717]

Originally Posted by kjbathe

"WASHINGTON - With gasoline prices topping $4 a gallon, Senate Democrats want the government to grab some of the billions of dollars in profits being taken in by the major oil companies."

I like that they got it right in their use of "grab". How will that help any of us?

And my favorite quote from today's story is, "The oil companies need to know that there is a limit on how much profit they can take in this economy," said Sen. Richard Durbin of Illinois, the Senate's No. 2 Democrat.

Yah. That thinking is exactly how this country was built. We're going to tax ourselves out of this problem. Brilliant...

that is crap to be honest. lets tax them so when their profits get cut they just raise price. and youknow what the whole thing about other countries, well guess what, they get schooling, health care, dental care, and other perks that we have to pay for. Here we pay for the gas and these things. That arguement does nto hold water and I for one am sick of hearing it.
Gas needs to be regulated like a utility, but you know what they will screw that one up as well.

Oh wait can we start drilling now? pretty please, wish this would have never stopped

[bigdog]

To put things in perspective....

The Democrats have controlled the U.S. Senate and House for two years.
A new Speaker of the House was appointed 'Nancy Pelosi', to preside over the House and hand-select what bills would come before Congress.

There hasn't been one bill reviewed or voted upon, pertaining to
a long-term energy plan, or control of gasoline/oil supplies.
They had control and havent taken one step closer to solving any of these problems ! They don't have a clue. FYI... At the time Speaker Pelosi took office two years ago, the price of gas was $2.25 a gallon. In less than two years the price has almost doubled! What does this tell us.......

There also hasn't been any new oil refineries built in this country for over 40 years, up until recently. Even if we had all the oil we wanted, we don't have the means to process it. Blame the oil companies for that. Bad planning and foresight on their part, shame on them!

Had this country taken a long-term approach and developed an energy plan back in the 80;s (maybe it was he 70's ?), when we were gas rationing
and got a wake-up call, we probably wouldn't be in our current situation.

[Orion]

You're right on all counts, bigdog!

[CanisLupusArctos]

Originally Posted by AC2717

that is crap to be honest. lets tax them so when their profits get cut they just raise price. and youknow what the whole thing about other countries, well guess what, they get schooling, health care, dental care, and other perks that we have to pay for. Here we pay for the gas and these things. That arguement does nto hold water and I for one am sick of hearing it.
Gas needs to be regulated like a utility, but you know what they will screw that one up as well.

Oh wait can we start drilling now? pretty please, wish this would have never stopped

Read the foreign news sites and you will see why regulation is not working.

British people are currently protesting their government's fuel taxes which put their gas prices much higher than ours right now. Their liberal party is currently in power and the conservatives are quickly gaining ground as a result of those in power taking the blame for what's going on.

I have many friends who are British and I've yet to hear more than one positive comment about their health system because the quality isn't there. In Canada, the national health service is falling apart - there are many Canadian healthcare seekers who cross the border into the US in order to self-pay for quality and timeliness that aren't available from a government.

The more money any given government gets its hands on (regardless of the source), the more it will borrow against tomorrow's anticipated revenue, and the further into debt it will go, until finally it becomes financially impossible to support any longer. We could tax the windfall profits of the oil companies, but the government will very quickly learn to rely on that income. That will be a problem when the bubble bursts. What goes up comes down just as quickly. There are already career investors selling their oil stocks as a result - cashing in now instead of waiting to see what happens. Something has to break - no one knows what it will be, but whatever it is, the current oil profits are not sustainable long-term and therefore a tax on their profits could never be a reliable source of income for the government.

In countries that regulate the price of gasoline by subsidizing it (like Indonesia,) the governments are feeling the financial strain and calling it quits on subsidies. There have been riots when the people of those countries discovered what it really costs.

What's all this mean for the marinas around here? If so many other countries are feeling shock of high-priced oil, then we Winnipesaukee Boaters can't expect our leaders to be able to change anything. Our problem starts with the fact that there's very little supply cushion in oil right now. Demand and supply are just about equal. Knowing this, Wall Street oil buyers are panic buying. The panic buying model is best illustrated by the rush of people who go to the store as soon as the weatherman mentions a chance of snow. They fear it might be the Great Blizzard and that they may face a shortage of personal supplies so they mob the stores to buy a million things they probably won't even use. With daily oil output currently meeting demand (barely), the Wall St. buyers are going into panic-buy mode at the mention of the slightest possible interruption in the supply (which would cause a shortage, if it happened.) These guys on Wall St. want to own barrels of oil in the event of such a shortage.

So where do marina gas prices (and others around the lake) go for the summer? As long as the news on possible interruptions to the oil supply are quiet for the summer, prices would stay about where they are now.

Don't let the lack of a shortage fool you: We're in a situation where it wouldn't take much of an interruption in supply to create one. If a hurricane starts to form, or if news breaks that a strange-looking man is lighting off firecrackers within 10 miles of an oil pipeline, the Wall St. oil buyers are going to speculate that there will be a sudden shortage and they will bid up the oil price on that day. We will feel it in the form of higher gas prices, as will everyone else in the world (when the foreign oil markets react in the same way.) If the threats to the supply keep coming, the price will keep rising as long as supply remains only slightly greater than demand. Everyone will look to and blame their ruling powers regardless of what party they are, and people in many countries will demand that any taxes on fuel be removed.

What we really need is a much bigger oil supply cushion like we always used to have... or the means to make up for any shortage that comes along. "Having a cushion" is the universal safety solution for just about everything, like when you go hiking in the White Mountains, you bring an extra set of clothing (I hope!). Your original set of clothing is enough, but White Mountain weather could change all that.

[Orion]

Good post CLA.

Now here's the answer once and for all.....

electric cars & nuclear power plants


If the "greenies" had realized that nuclear power is really "green" power in the '70s we would be in a better position today (not to mention the deaths of so many coal miners over the last 30 years).

[Aquadeziac]

I hope I inserted this link right http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/boatus/200805/#/10 and it works. If not, its out of the May '08 issue of Boat US on page seven. Its about a law in Oregon that exempts Marinas from having to use blended fuel. It is an interesting read and something our own state should think about. I hope the link works and you all enjoy it.

[fatlazyless]

Oh well, you can always turn off that gasoline guzzl'n engine, and just drift along between Timber & Governor's' Island, and watch that sun as it sets behind Meredith Bay.

Am patiently waiting for the water temp to reach 60 degrees before reaching out in the Tink-R-Belle; my 11'11" no gasoline, no registration, no insurance sailboat answer to four dollar gasoline!

Wave to me, and I'll wave back!