Snowmobile Fire

DRH · 02-17-2007, 06:20 PM

This snowmobile suddenly caught fire around 5PM on 2/17/07 between the northwestern end of Rattlesnake Island and Smith Point. The operator was unhurt. She said the sled caught fire with no warning but she was able to get away from it safely.

I didn't have my camera with me, so this picture was taken with my cellphone.

ITD · 02-17-2007, 06:34 PM

That's one way to keep warm, should cost too much to get it out of there, looks pretty light now. Glad no one was hurt. You should sell the picture to a newspaper.

trfour · 02-17-2007, 06:53 PM

Wow, glad she wasn't burned!
Was the sled newer or older? It always pays to check them over real good before riding. I've seen mice build nests inside the mufflers and the back pressure over heats it and can start a fire. Also you need to check all of the fuel lines and connections. Sometimes people cover their sleds or store them inside a trailer or garage and when the snow flies, just uncover them jump on and ride.

hockeypuck · 02-18-2007, 07:03 AM

Great picture DRH. Glad no one was hurt. Now someone will find out all about snowmobile insurance.

Chris Craft · 02-18-2007, 09:17 AM

Glad she was not hurt. I wonder what caused it.... That is something that would happen to me.

I had my boat catch on fire a bunch of years back.

gtxrider · 02-20-2007, 08:01 PM

And you still let others use yours!

Great picture unless its your sled ablaze.

Island Girl · 02-20-2007, 10:52 PM

Here is what remains of the snowmobile that burst into flames.

secondcurve · 02-21-2007, 08:27 AM

Who is required to clean up this mess? Hopefully, someone got the riders name and address.

SIKSUKR · 02-21-2007, 08:29 AM

Does anyone know if there is a timetable for the remains to be off the ice or is it like when cars go through the ice and the clock starts when the vehicle is actually IN the water?

Weirs guy · 02-21-2007, 12:08 PM

Maybe the April 1st deadline for bob houses applies here too?

jetskier · 02-21-2007, 02:55 PM

There is not much to clean up

Jetskier

spotsink · 02-21-2007, 02:58 PM

Someone should tie a buoy to it and then it could be found in the spring

It is probably pretty well imbeded in the ice from the heat of the fire and will be difficult to get out...

GTO · 02-21-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by spotsink

Someone should tie a buoy to it and then it could be found in the spring

It is probably pretty well imbeded in the ice from the heat of the fire and will be difficult to get out...

It looks like it could be a pretty dangerous obstacle for anybody out riding their machine at night. I'd hate to be zipping along in an area I know is normally open ice and come across that after its too late. Somebody should be responsible for getting it out of there before another accident happens.

DRH · 02-21-2007, 06:15 PM

I spoke to a Fish & Game officer in Alton Bay the day after the fire about removal of the snowmobile remains. He said there was so little left of the sled, basically just metal, that F&G would let it stay where it is and it will sink to the bottom when the ice melts. I was surprised by this answer, but that's what the officer told me.

No one I saw at the scene got the operator's name or other information. She was picked up by a boyfriend/husband on a second sled and they left while the first sled was still ablaze.

ApS · 02-21-2007, 07:36 PM

I'm surprised too. Two years ago, two people sitting stationary out there on their snowmobile were run over and injured by another snowmobile!

Something less visible begs another crash—especially after dark.

Chris Craft · 02-21-2007, 08:30 PM

It does not really suprise me that is what they plan to do. There is very little damage that will come of it sinking best I can tell...... Something fun for a scuba diver to come across some day

DRH · 02-22-2007, 11:51 AM

As soon as we get some more snow, the burned-out snowmobile shell will become almost invisible.

The remains are located at the following GPS coordinates:

N 43 degrees, 34.214 minutes
W 71 degrees, 18.529 minutes

This location is approximately 1/4 mile south of the northwestern end of Rattlesnake Island.

WeirsBeachBoater · 02-22-2007, 12:16 PM

I can't believe someone would just leave that there. Of course there is no way to trace its ownership if its all burnt up. I am tempted to go out myself and drag it off. Shouldn't someone have jurisdiction to remove it as a hazard to public safety and potentially a pollutant?

Weirs guy · 02-22-2007, 12:32 PM

A bright red bobhouse on the lake needs reflective tape on all sides to be seen at night, but a burnt out sled is OK?

Island Girl · 02-22-2007, 02:58 PM

I heard the snowmobile had been removed... not sure...

jetskier · 02-22-2007, 06:31 PM

Hi all,

There is all kinds of stuff out on the lake to be wary of. When we were out riding prior to the weekend of the fishing derby, there was a trailer left in the middle of nowhere. Bottom line is that you have be very cautious out on the ice.

My guess is that the primary contamination concern with this snowmobile would have been the fluids (transmission, oil, gas). But they likely all burned off in the fire.

If this was removed, then the issues are basically solved.

Jetskier

Tank151 · 02-27-2007, 06:26 PM

I pretty sure the owner is responsible or the state will remove it at the owner's expense! I new of someone killed on a snow mobile a couple of years ago in Moultonboro and that is what was communicated to the family...

I think the same is for any craft or obstacle that presents a hazard (both environmental or navigational)?

Tank
Dunstable, MA
ps. I'm waiting for Sawyer's to open...has anyone heard if they're opening in Spring of 2007?

DRH · 02-27-2007, 06:58 PM

It is now reported that the burned out sled has been removed from the ice.

Skipper · 03-12-2007, 07:55 AM

How does a snowmobile burn up like this one? Mice were mentioned as a possible cause but what else?

If I understand this situation, the remains will be allowed to sink and stay in the lake. Where can I find a list of what is and is not acceptable to dispose of in the lake?

I for one would like to see the burned out sled removed from the area. On the other hand, it could join the abandoned laboratory down there.

codeman671 · 03-12-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Skipper

How does a snowmobile burn up like this one? Mice were mentioned as a possible cause but what else?

If I understand this situation, the remains will be allowed to sink and stay in the lake. Where can I find a list of what is and is not acceptable to dispose of in the lake?

I for one would like to see the burned out sled removed from the area. On the other hand, it could join the abandoned laboratory down there.

According to a post on the 27th the remains have already been removed.

Mice can certainly cause a sled to burn up. They are known for nesting in exhausts, under cowls and in airboxes and can thoroughly trash a sled. A few years ago we had some nest in and around the exhaust of our basically brand new club groomer. One of the members took it out of the garage and ran it around his house early in the season without checking it over, after about one pass it caught on fire (nesting material ignited). Luckily he was able to get it out immediately and there was hardly any damage

chipj29 · 03-13-2007, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skipper

How does a snowmobile burn up like this one? Mice were mentioned as a possible cause but what else?

If I understand this situation, the remains will be allowed to sink and stay in the lake. Where can I find a list of what is and is not acceptable to dispose of in the lake?

I for one would like to see the burned out sled removed from the area. On the other hand, it could join the abandoned laboratory down there.

Many things can cause a snowmobile fire, they are more common than you may think. A stuck brake can overheat, a leaky fuel or oil line, mice. Also aftermarket parts such as pipes cans can be installed improperly.
The biggest problem with sleds is they sit unused for 3/4 of a year. Many owners think that once it snows, they can just start it up and ride. Like everything, they do require some preventative maintenance.

Mark · 03-21-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Craft

Glad she was not hurt. I wonder what caused it.... That is something that would happen to me.

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yes, glad no one was hurt.

This fire is obviously a result of speed. The snowmobile was going so fast that friction generated enough heat to ignite a little gas spilled while fueling. This would not have happened if they had been going slower. At safe reasonable speeds the coefficient of friction over the ice is very small and there is no problem. Go very fast and it heats up.

I get scared when I'm on the ice walking on a plowed path listening to the engine noises. All of a sudden I hear the loud veroom of snowmobiles getting louder and approaching fast. Can they see me over the plow berm? Will they turn in time to avoid hitting me or my party? They can't hear me over the noise of their excessively loud toys. They are a threat to us and our families and there ought to be a law.

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RLW · 03-22-2007, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark

yes, glad no one was hurt. They are a threat to us and our families and there ought to be a law..

Not another law???

secondcurve · 03-22-2007, 05:08 AM

Mark:

Why don't you go hiking at Castle in the Clouds? The environmental crazies have closed that place down, so it would be good for you and your family.

Blue Thunder · 03-22-2007, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

This fire is obviously a result of speed.

How do you know that??

BT

chipj29 · 03-22-2007, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark

yes, glad no one was hurt.

This fire is obviously a result of speed. The snowmobile was going so fast that friction generated enough heat to ignite a little gas spilled while fueling. This would not have happened if they had been going slower. At safe reasonable speeds the coefficient of friction over the ice is very small and there is no problem. Go very fast and it heats up.

Are you kidding me? "The snowmobile was going so fast that friction generated enough heat to ignite a little gas spilled while fueling." Where exactly is that friction generated? And at what speed does that "friction" not generate? How fast can I go without risking my life by generating too much friction?
I sincerely hope that you are joking. If you are, you got me....

jrc · 03-22-2007, 07:28 AM

It's sarcasm. Reread his post but swap powerboat for snowmobile and kayaking for snow walking.

Pretty funny Mark!

ITD · 03-22-2007, 07:32 AM

Yeah, I thought it was sarcasm too. You go Mark.

SIKSUKR · 03-22-2007, 01:45 PM

Come on you guys.I could see his tongue in his cheek from here.

Mee-n-Mac · 03-22-2007, 03:51 PM

So I wonder how "mark" feels about the Winter Derby and all them poor blind fish ?

SAMIAM · 03-22-2007, 06:20 PM

Mark is a tough call.....either pulling our leg or one of those radical enviromentalist moonbats......I'm guessing moonbat.

Weirs guy · 03-23-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by chipj29

And at what speed does that "friction" not generate? How fast can I go without risking my life by generating too much friction?

I've read somewhere that you're safe below 45 MPH during the day, and 25 MPH at night.......

rander7823 · 03-23-2007, 12:05 PM

I believe it was caused by both the friction on the ice as well as two sleds being within 150' of the shoreline and each other. The turbulence created by the sleds as well as the ice wake pounding the shore caused heat to build up in the engine compartment and ignite the peppermint schnapps hidden there.
Once again speed, alcohol, loud machines and being too close to the shore causes issues on the lake.

Did I forget to mention they were under 16 and lived in McMansion and smoked

Mee-n-Mac · 03-23-2007, 03:20 PM

You know this has got me to thinking about things. Let's examine some facts. DRH got a picture of the sled on fire. DRH also got inside pics of the Pavillion fire. I've heard that Alton, where DRH lives, has had some suspicious fires. Now, using defective ... err ... deductive logik, I might begin to wonder what the commonality is in all these events. Then it hit me like a flying bat between the eyes. Quilt smuggling ! Yes, you heard, quilt smugglers right here in Alton. What famous quilt went to Rattlesnake I ? Where was that snomobile fire ... just off R.I. I do believe. Has anyone seen that quilt since said fire ? I think not. Quilts make you warm .... like a fire ! It's my belief that persons unnamed (well, I'm sure they have names, it's more like I don't know them) have been moving smuggled quilts to and fro in the greater Alton metropolis. Smugglers hide things in small confined places so they won't be found. These quilts, when stored in a small confined space and too close to a heat source (like under the hood of a snomobile !!), retain so much heat that they burst into flames. The smugglers have to keep moving their base of operations around due to the fires. All I have to do is figure out how it is that DRH and quilting are correlated ... there's a missing piece there I haven't quite got my finger on ... then I'll have the whole story ! DRH and quilts, DRH and quilts, I tell ya there's got to be a connection !

LIforrelaxin · 03-23-2007, 03:36 PM

Thanks to all you wonderful story tellers I know have a smile on my face.....

Mark · 03-23-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

All I have to do is figure out how it is that DRH and quilting are correlated ... there's a missing piece there I haven't quite got my finger on ... then I'll have the whole story ! DRH and quilts, DRH and quilts, I tell ya there's got to be a connection !

Mee-n-Mac,

You have made some logical links between DRH and quilts.

The very same day Mee-n-Mac posts about DRH and quilts the Skipper of the Sea Que posts a picture of DRH taking a picture of a quilt. Coincidence or a slip by a poster using 2 names? Of all the days that a forum fest picture could have been posted it appears before you post your plausible explanation of the fire.

Was that a slip up on your part? Is Mee-n-Mac the same poster as Skipper of the Sea Que using a dual identity? I am still a relative newbie here but it sure makes me think.

Maybe DRH has a thing for quilts. Maybe his baby gankie (blanket) was a quilt and he has a fetish for them? Am I on track here?

Quilt Lady · 03-23-2007, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

All I have to do is figure out how it is that DRH and quilting are correlated ... there's a missing piece there I haven't quite got my finger on ... then I'll have the whole story ! DRH and quilts, DRH and quilts, I tell ya there's got to be a connection !

OK, Mee-n-Mac, open the windows! When you were doing that plumbing job, the can of solvent clearly stated "Provide Adequate Ventilation". The fumes have definitely gone to your head!

You know where DRH gets these quilts you accuse him of running. He's just trying to make room in the house for even more quilts! I'm hard at work on a very special quilt for Forum Fest 4.

And for the record, in the picture posted by the Skipper of the Sea-Que, that is not DRH taking the picture. He was wearing a dark red shirt and jeans that day. I know the identity of the photographer but wouldn't want to blow his cover. The White House got into enough trouble over doing that!

DRH · 03-23-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

You know this has got me to thinking about things.

We all know what happens when Mee-n-Mac gets to "thinking about things"! I mean, remember that perfectly innocent "Moon over Wolfeboro" picture I took? M-n-M couldn't just enjoy it for what it was ... he had to "think about it". And we all know what happened after that. Yep, there were lots of wise-cracks made about my picture after M-n-M had "thought about it"! (Click here for a memory jog.)

However, concerning his theory about the recent Alton quilt fires, what he apparently hasn't yet thought about is that the M-n-M lakeside cottage is also located in Alton. And he apparently hasn't yet thought about the fact that his better half "Mee" also owns a certain special quilt. And if he's right about the quilt smuggling activities, hmmm ... maybe there's another fire brewing somewhere! Quick, M-n-M ... where's Mee's quilt??!!!

Mee-n-Mac · 03-23-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark

{snip} The very same day Mee-n-Mac posts about DRH and quilts the Skipper of the Sea Que posts a picture of DRH taking a picture of a quilt. Coincidence or a slip by a poster using 2 names? Of all the days that a forum fest picture could have been posted it appears before you post your plausible explanation of the fire.

Was that a slip up on your part? Is Mee-n-Mac the same poster as Skipper of the Sea Que using a dual identity? I am still a relative newbie here but it sure makes me think.

Well that's some pretty good reasoning there, no doubt about it. However the man with the fancy camera is, in fact, a detective not DRH. He's taking the photo of the quilt "just in case". Now I think this quilt ended up in the possesion of 'rrr' which I think is short for 'brrr' which I'm pretty sure means "I'm cold, please hand me the quilt". So I think 'rrr' is off the hook as far as the whole smuggling ring goes but the question is ... how did this quilt come to be at the Forum Fest ? I saw it, and believe you me, I know I couldn't afford to buy it. And yet there it was, given away by "someone". Either they're very generous or they had an inside line. Hmmmm ....

In a completely unrelated story I hear that another itsy bitsy, tiny weeny cabin went up in flames in Alton this coming Sunday. Depite allegations of hidden quilts, it was ... err ...will be ... determined to be the result of shoddy workmanship by the occupant. Apparently the fumes from some PVC cement were ... err ... will be too much and the moron passed out leaving the stove on unattended. A 16' by 22' by incredibly tall McMansion is rumoured to be it's replacement.

gtxrider · 03-24-2007, 11:24 AM

Mac, perhaps its time to put DRH in the Comfy Chair for questioning.."no one expects the Spanish Inguisition", Nudge nudge know what I mean...?

SteveA · 03-24-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gtxrider

Mac, perhaps its time to put DRH in the Comfy Chair for questioning.."no one expects the Spanish Inguisition", Nudge nudge know what I mean...?

More Monty Python

Humm... I was behind a car at the car wash on Union Ave. in Laconia this morning... NH Plates "DRH" . Dianne and I agreed the person looked very suspicious.

DRH · 03-24-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveA

More Monty Python

Humm... I was behind a car at the car wash on Union Ave. in Laconia this morning... NH Plates "DRH" . Dianne and I agreed the person looked very suspicious.

Hmmm is right. That would be a good plate for me, wouldn't it? But someone else must have gotten that registration because it isn't mine.

Curious ... did the person driving that car by any chance look like the "detective" Skipper of the Sea Que saw taking a photo of the raffle quilt at ForumFest III? Could there perhaps be a DRH impersonator lurking around?

Pepper · 03-24-2007, 07:50 PM

M-N-M, Now that you mention it, those quilts do get awfully hot. Every night I find myself suddenly flinging my quilt off,

fanning myself furiously, and feeling as though I'm on fire!

It has to be the quilt, because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my age ...
could it?

DRH · 03-24-2007, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepper

M-N-M, Now that you mention it, those quilts do get awfully hot. Every night I find myself suddenly flinging my quilt off,

fanning myself furiously, and feeling as though I'm on fire!

It has to be the quilt, because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my age ...
could it?

Honestly now, with a name like "Pepper", what do you expect??

Pepper · 03-24-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DRH

Honestly now, with a name like "Pepper", what do you expect??

Aaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I just laughed so hard you probably heard me at your house!

RI Swamp Yankee · 03-24-2007, 08:24 PM

hmmmm .... looks like a serious case of Cabin Fever, and it is contagious.

SteveA · 03-24-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRH

Hmmm is right. That would be a good plate for me, wouldn't it? But someone else must have gotten that registration because it isn't mine.

Curious ... did the person driving that car by any chance look like the "detective" Mee-n-Mac saw taking a photo of the raffle quilt at ForumFest III? Could there perhaps be a DRH impersonator lurking around?

Only got a partial view as his car went into the wash... but he did look suspicious...

(he did have a mustache... and a very pointy nose.)

SteveA

Mee-n-Mac · 03-25-2007, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRH

Curious ... did the person driving that car by any chance look like the "detective" Skipper of the Sea Que saw taking a photo of the raffle quilt at ForumFest III? Could there perhaps be a DRH impersonator lurking around?

Well I am now free to reveal that, because the ring maybe international in scope, the "detective" pictured was none other than Inspector Fox of Scotland Yard. Yes, Flying Fox of the Yard ! I'm told that his partner, Thompsons Gazelle, may also be assisting.

Weirs guy · 03-26-2007, 11:23 AM

I heard from my brothers cousins uncles half dog twice removed that the burned up sled was painted orange with a "01" and confederate flag on the cowl. DRH & m-n-m, the Bo and Luke Duke of the quilt smuggling world???

RI Swamp Yankee · 03-26-2007, 11:42 AM

Do I detect a cover up here? Looks like M-n-M is getting warm ... on the trail.

gtxrider · 03-26-2007, 02:17 PM

I think we need Inspector Harry 'Snapper" Organs og the Q Division to investigate. He did nab Doug and Dinsdale Piranha

Skipper of the Sea Que · 03-29-2007, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quilt Lady

And for the record, in the picture posted by the Skipper of the Sea-Que, that is not DRH taking the picture. He was wearing a dark red shirt and jeans that day. I know the identity of the photographer but wouldn't want to blow his cover. The White House got into enough trouble over doing that!

Oops, my bad. I was very tired and blurry-eyed when I uploaded those photopost pictures. Upon closer inspection I recognized the photographer is not DRH (sorry Don) and have since edited the picture.

Mark will have to look for some other connection.

Meanwile... the quilts are getting snuggled and smuggled.

Quilt lady, do you make some of those quilts out of hemp? That might explain the smuggling and also the reason people just let the thing burn

P.S. you didn't want to "blow his cover." That was very clever

I appreciate the subtlety

NightWing · 03-29-2007, 11:48 AM

You folks are completely off base. The people driving the snowmobile were lost because they didn't have Bizer's latest chart. They stopped and decided to send up a signal flare. Problem was, they didn't have one and the only thing that would burn was the sled. So.......they torched it, hoping to be rescued.

If only they had followed the rule of quilt:

QUILT:

Quit
Undertaking
Imroper
Lake
Trips

02-17-2007, 06:20 PM	#1
DRH Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Meredith Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 1,183 Thanked 655 Times in 173 Posts	Snowmobile Fire This snowmobile suddenly caught fire around 5PM on 2/17/07 between the northwestern end of Rattlesnake Island and Smith Point. The operator was unhurt. She said the sled caught fire with no warning but she was able to get away from it safely. I didn't have my camera with me, so this picture was taken with my cellphone. __________________ DRH

02-17-2007, 06:53 PM	#3
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Wow, glad she wasn't burned! Was the sled newer or older? It always pays to check them over real good before riding. I've seen mice build nests inside the mufflers and the back pressure over heats it and can start a fire. Also you need to check all of the fuel lines and connections. Sometimes people cover their sleds or store them inside a trailer or garage and when the snow flies, just uncover them jump on and ride. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

02-20-2007, 08:01 PM	#6
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Thanks! And you still let others use yours! Great picture unless its your sled ablaze.

02-20-2007, 10:52 PM	#7
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	The remains Here is what remains of the snowmobile that burst into flames. __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

02-21-2007, 08:29 AM	#9
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Does anyone know if there is a timetable for the remains to be off the ice or is it like when cars go through the ice and the clock starts when the vehicle is actually IN the water? __________________ SIKSUKR

02-17-2007, 06:34 PM	#2
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,860 Thanks: 461 Thanked 666 Times in 366 Posts	That's one way to keep warm, should cost too much to get it out of there, looks pretty light now. Glad no one was hurt. You should sell the picture to a newspaper.

02-18-2007, 07:03 AM	#4
hockeypuck Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Southern CT Posts: 169 Thanks: 19 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	Great picture DRH. Glad no one was hurt. Now someone will find out all about snowmobile insurance.

02-18-2007, 09:17 AM	#5
Chris Craft Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Glad she was not hurt. I wonder what caused it.... That is something that would happen to me. I had my boat catch on fire a bunch of years back.

02-21-2007, 08:27 AM	#8
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,084 Thanks: 1,267 Thanked 557 Times in 286 Posts	Who is required to clean up this mess? Hopefully, someone got the riders name and address.

02-21-2007, 12:08 PM	#10
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Maybe the April 1st deadline for bob houses applies here too? __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

02-21-2007, 02:55 PM	#11
jetskier Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Reading, MA and South Down Shores Posts: 850 Thanks: 57 Thanked 183 Times in 114 Posts	Not much left There is not much to clean up Jetskier

02-21-2007, 02:58 PM	#12
spotsink Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 76 Thanks: 7 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	A new dive site? Someone should tie a buoy to it and then it could be found in the spring It is probably pretty well imbeded in the ice from the heat of the fire and will be difficult to get out...

02-21-2007, 06:15 PM	#14
DRH Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Meredith Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 1,183 Thanked 655 Times in 173 Posts	I spoke to a Fish & Game officer in Alton Bay the day after the fire about removal of the snowmobile remains. He said there was so little left of the sled, basically just metal, that F&G would let it stay where it is and it will sink to the bottom when the ice melts. I was surprised by this answer, but that's what the officer told me. No one I saw at the scene got the operator's name or other information. She was picked up by a boyfriend/husband on a second sled and they left while the first sled was still ablaze. __________________ DRH

02-21-2007, 07:36 PM	#15
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 5,788 Thanks: 2,085 Thanked 742 Times in 532 Posts	I'm surprised too. Two years ago, two people sitting stationary out there on their snowmobile were run over and injured by another snowmobile! Something less visible *begs* another crash—especially after dark. __________________ Every MP who enters Winter Harbor will pass by my porch of 67 years...

02-21-2007, 08:30 PM	#16
Chris Craft Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It does not really suprise me that is what they plan to do. There is very little damage that will come of it sinking best I can tell...... Something fun for a scuba diver to come across some day

02-22-2007, 11:51 AM	#17
DRH Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Meredith Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 1,183 Thanked 655 Times in 173 Posts	Coordinates As soon as we get some more snow, the burned-out snowmobile shell will become almost invisible. The remains are located at the following GPS coordinates: N 43 degrees, 34.214 minutes W 71 degrees, 18.529 minutes This location is approximately 1/4 mile south of the northwestern end of Rattlesnake Island. __________________ DRH

02-22-2007, 12:16 PM	#18
WeirsBeachBoater Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 709 Blog Entries: 9 Thanks: 39 Thanked 148 Times in 65 Posts	Not cool I can't believe someone would just leave that there. Of course there is no way to trace its ownership if its all burnt up. I am tempted to go out myself and drag it off. Shouldn't someone have jurisdiction to remove it as a hazard to public safety and potentially a pollutant?

02-22-2007, 12:32 PM	#19
Weirs guy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Weirs Beach, NH Posts: 1,067 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	A bright red bobhouse on the lake needs reflective tape on all sides to be seen at night, but a burnt out sled is OK? __________________ Is it bikeweek yet? Now?

02-22-2007, 02:58 PM	#20
Island Girl Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Central MA Posts: 2,352 Thanks: 18 Thanked 535 Times in 179 Posts	Gone? I heard the snowmobile had been removed... not sure... __________________ Island Girl ....... Make Lemonade

02-22-2007, 06:31 PM	#21
jetskier Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: North Reading, MA and South Down Shores Posts: 850 Thanks: 57 Thanked 183 Times in 114 Posts	Lot's of Junk Hi all, There is all kinds of stuff out on the lake to be wary of. When we were out riding prior to the weekend of the fishing derby, there was a trailer left in the middle of nowhere. Bottom line is that you have be very cautious out on the ice. My guess is that the primary contamination concern with this snowmobile would have been the fluids (transmission, oil, gas). But they likely all burned off in the fire. If this was removed, then the issues are basically solved. Jetskier

02-27-2007, 06:26 PM	#22
Tank151 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boston, MA & Laconia, NH Posts: 148 Thanks: 14 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts	Sled Removal? I pretty sure the owner is responsible or the state will remove it at the owner's expense! I new of someone killed on a snow mobile a couple of years ago in Moultonboro and that is what was communicated to the family... I think the same is for any craft or obstacle that presents a hazard (both environmental or navigational)? Tank Dunstable, MA ps. I'm waiting for Sawyer's to open...has anyone heard if they're opening in Spring of 2007?

02-27-2007, 06:58 PM	#23
DRH Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Meredith Posts: 1,670 Thanks: 1,183 Thanked 655 Times in 173 Posts	It is now reported that the burned out sled has been removed from the ice. __________________ DRH

03-12-2007, 07:55 AM	#24
Skipper Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 35 Thanks: 3 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How does this happen? How does a snowmobile burn up like this one? Mice were mentioned as a possible cause but what else? If I understand this situation, the remains will be allowed to sink and stay in the lake. Where can I find a list of what is and is not acceptable to dispose of in the lake? I for one would like to see the burned out sled removed from the area. On the other hand, it could join the abandoned laboratory down there. __________________ Skipper Learn to be a real Skipper, click HERE and learn more.

03-22-2007, 05:08 AM	#29
secondcurve Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 2,084 Thanks: 1,267 Thanked 557 Times in 286 Posts	Mark: Why don't you go hiking at Castle in the Clouds? The environmental crazies have closed that place down, so it would be good for you and your family.

03-22-2007, 07:28 AM	#32
jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	It's sarcasm. Reread his post but swap powerboat for snowmobile and kayaking for snow walking. Pretty funny Mark!

03-22-2007, 07:32 AM	#33
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,860 Thanks: 461 Thanked 666 Times in 366 Posts	Yeah, I thought it was sarcasm too. You go Mark.

03-22-2007, 01:45 PM	#34
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Come on you guys.I could see his tongue in his cheek from here. __________________ SIKSUKR

03-22-2007, 03:51 PM	#35
Mee-n-Mac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,943 Thanks: 23 Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts	Nooo, really ? So I wonder how "mark" feels about the Winter Derby and all them poor blind fish ? __________________ Mee'n'Mac "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity or ignorance. The latter are a lot more common than the former." - RAH

03-22-2007, 06:20 PM	#36
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,836 Thanks: 326 Thanked 1,626 Times in 562 Posts	Mark is a tough call.....either pulling our leg or one of those radical enviromentalist moonbats......I'm guessing moonbat.

03-23-2007, 12:05 PM	#38
rander7823 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 301 Thanks: 539 Thanked 39 Times in 23 Posts	Actually 2 sleds too close together I believe it was caused by both the friction on the ice as well as two sleds being within 150' of the shoreline and each other. The turbulence created by the sleds as well as the ice wake pounding the shore caused heat to build up in the engine compartment and ignite the peppermint schnapps hidden there. Once again speed, alcohol, loud machines and being too close to the shore causes issues on the lake. Did I forget to mention they were under 16 and lived in McMansion and smoked

03-23-2007, 03:20 PM	#39
Mee-n-Mac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,943 Thanks: 23 Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts	Another theory ? You know this has got me to thinking about things. Let's examine some facts. DRH got a picture of the sled on fire. DRH also got inside pics of the Pavillion fire. I've heard that Alton, where DRH lives, has had some suspicious fires. Now, using defective ... err ... deductive logik, I might begin to wonder what the commonality is in all these events. Then it hit me like a flying bat between the eyes. Quilt smuggling ! Yes, you heard, quilt smugglers right here in Alton. What famous quilt went to Rattlesnake I ? Where was that snomobile fire ... just off R.I. I do believe. Has anyone seen that quilt since said fire ? I think not. Quilts make you warm .... like a fire ! It's my belief that persons unnamed (well, I'm sure they have names, it's more like I don't know them) have been moving smuggled quilts to and fro in the greater Alton metropolis. Smugglers hide things in small confined places so they won't be found. These quilts, when stored in a small confined space and too close to a heat source (like under the hood of a snomobile !!), retain so much heat that they burst into flames. The smugglers have to keep moving their base of operations around due to the fires. All I have to do is figure out how it is that DRH and quilting are correlated ... there's a missing piece there I haven't quite got my finger on ... then I'll have the whole story ! DRH and quilts, DRH and quilts, I tell ya there's got to be a connection ! __________________ Mee'n'Mac "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity or ignorance. The latter are a lot more common than the former." - RAH

03-23-2007, 03:36 PM	#40
LIforrelaxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Long Island, not that one, the one on Winnipesaukee Posts: 2,827 Thanks: 1,017 Thanked 881 Times in 515 Posts	ah a good laugh I need that Thanks to all you wonderful story tellers I know have a smile on my face..... __________________ Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....

03-24-2007, 11:24 AM	#45
gtxrider Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Piscataway, NJ Posts: 1,030 Thanks: 2 Thanked 46 Times in 24 Posts	Comfy chair! Mac, perhaps its time to put DRH in the Comfy Chair for questioning.."no one expects the Spanish Inguisition", Nudge nudge know what I mean...?

03-24-2007, 07:50 PM	#48
Pepper Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Laconia, NH Posts: 1,284 Thanks: 409 Thanked 155 Times in 40 Posts	M-N-M, Now that you mention it, those quilts do get awfully hot. Every night I find myself suddenly flinging my quilt off, fanning myself furiously, and feeling as though I'm on fire! It has to be the quilt, because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my age ... could it? __________________ Never waste time lamenting what was. Simply celebrate what is!

03-24-2007, 08:24 PM	#51
RI Swamp Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Kingstown RI Posts: 688 Thanks: 143 Thanked 83 Times in 55 Posts	hmmmm .... looks like a serious case of Cabin Fever, and it is contagious. __________________ Gene ~ aka "another RI Swamp Yankee"