Full Service Car Wash?

CateP · 08-23-2011, 01:24 PM

I posted a comment on my Wolfeboro recon thread, but wanted to bring out this topic for discussion.

In a nutshell, I was pretty disappointed with the car wash down at Wolfeboro Falls Clarke Plaza. When I move here I want to take my car to a place where they vacuum out your car, run it through a swirling brush car wash and then they hand towel it dry. It would also be nice if they cleaned the windows and wiped down the inside. There is a car wash like this in NJ that is $12.

Am I going to have to say goodbye to this kind of service when I move up to Wolfeboro? It's going to be more important to me to clean of the salt and sand and preserve my car up here.

Winnipesaukee Divers · 08-23-2011, 02:05 PM

Geese Kate, NJ is looking better all the time, isn't it?

That's just what Wolfecity is all about; you got to leave all the modern convinces behind when you move up there. I've often thought about moving on up the place where I have so much fun. But then I think about how much I'd have to give up: no real grocery stores, no Home Depot, no Lowes, no department stores, no movie complexes, no large variety of cheap fast foods places, no high end restaurants, no car washes, no premium medical facilities, no quick trips to anywhere. Then I think back and remember, that's the lifestyle I came from, rural Vermont. Do I really want to go back? NO!

A friend of mine, who recently retired had these words of wisdom for me; "The thing I miss most about retiring, is that there are no more weekends, everyday is the same". Some of us need that carrot on the end of the stick, looking forward to the coming weekend. I'll take my retirement right here where life is good and keep Wolfeboro as my fun place to go play.

BTW: that Car wash you're looking for... the closes is "Top Hat" in Rochester on Rt. 125.

CateP · 08-23-2011, 02:20 PM

Hi WD- NJ is not looking better all the time and as I mentioned before I am not moving here to shop. I don't expect Wolfeboro to be like NJ and that is exactly why I am moving here.

I love this small town by the lake that is full of friendly , interesting, talented people. I love that the IGA people take your cart out to your car. I love that there are so many great places to eat and that I can go downtown, park my car and go into a bunch of local shops that are surviving and thriving in an economic downturn. I love that there is more and more to discover.

At this point I am in the process of discovering what is and what is not available as far as some services. I will adapt and adjust as needed.

If there is not a car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live) then I will have to become my OWN towel guy (or girl). Just give me a heated garage and I'll detail my own car. Hey, with a much more relaxed pace in life here in Wolfeboro, I may actually have the time and enjoy such a chore.

Winnipesaukee Divers · 08-23-2011, 03:28 PM

We all seem to have our own version of the perfect place to live. For me it's Exeter, NH... It's a academic town (Phillips Exeter Academy) and prestigious medical area. These two industries (for the lack of a better word) as well as Timberland and Tyco bring a lot of money into our community and therefore afford us a higher standard of living.

I'm just an hour form Wolfeboro & the lake, 10 minutes from Hampton Beach, 45 minutes from Boston, 2 hours from the White mountains and a hour from the Maine coast. Major roads connect through the greater Exeter area as well as the Downeaster rail service. It's by no means, NJ living, but comfortable.

For me, it's all about the excitement of journey up to the lake, it means that; I'm going to be having fun. I've been doing it for the last 35 years, spending weekends on my boat in Wolfeboro. I been there in the worst of times; the ice storm of 88, the blizzard of 93, Hurricane Bob, to those idyllic summer days sailing away to Ragged Island for raft up with fellow club members.

NBR · 08-23-2011, 03:33 PM

Kate,

The only one I know of is on Elm Street in Manchester on Elm street south of the city center and on the east side of the street. Beyond that there is a place on rt. 3 between Laconia and I93. Not a pull or drive through but he does do a pretty good job. Take a book you will be a while.

No guarantees that the Manchester place is still in businees. I haven't been there in 3 or 4 years.

sa meredith · 08-23-2011, 03:53 PM

Wait a minute....wash the car, hand dry it, vacuum it out, wipe down the inside, and oh, by the way, do the windows....FOR 12 BUCKS???!!!
Let us all know when you find that place. I'm in!

CateP · 08-23-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnipesaukee Divers

We all seem to have our own version of the perfect place to live. For me it's Exeter, NH... It's a academic town (Phillips Exeter Academy) and prestigious medical area. These two industries (for the lack of a better word) as well as Timberland and Tyco bring a lot of money into our community and therefore afford us a higher standard of living.

I'm just an hour form Wolfeboro & the lake, 10 minutes from Hampton Beach, 45 minutes from Boston, 2 hours from the White mountains and a hour from the Maine coast. Major roads connect through the greater Exeter area as well as the Downeaster rail service. It's by no means, NJ living, but comfortable.

For me, it's all about the excitement of journey up to the lake, it means that; I'm going to be having fun. I've been doing it for the last 35 years, spending weekends on my boat in Wolfeboro. I been there in the worst of times; the ice storm of 88, the blizzard of 93, Hurricane Bob, to those idyllic summer days sailing away to Ragged Island for raft up with fellow club members.

Agree with you WD. Everyone has their own favorite place to live. I LOVE Exeter, but the taxes are as bad as NJ.

CateP · 08-23-2011, 04:27 PM

I wanted to add a note to this thread about the Wolfeboro Car Wash. They DO offer detailing services such as the one I described, but not at the same price.

I will probably use that service at some point this winter.

Winnipesaukee Divers · 08-23-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CateP

Agree with you WD. Everyone has their own favorite place to live. I LOVE Exeter, but the taxes are as bad as NJ.

Taxes! You get what you pay for... I have lots of friends who have comparable homes in other towns within the state and their tax bills are as high as mine. Except, Exeter has the best of everything, the best fire department, the best police Department, the best schools and the best municipal department.

Yes, my taxes are high, but I enjoy a higher standard of living. Besides, my wife's ancestors were part of the original settlers of Exeter, so we're not going anywhere.

diz · 08-23-2011, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CateP

If there is not a car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live) then I will have to become my OWN towel guy (or girl). Just give me a heated garage and I'll detail my own car. Hey, with a much more relaxed pace in life here in Wolfeboro, I may actually have the time and enjoy such a chore.

Really? Isn't it illegal to pump your own gas in New Jersey? Are you sure you're ready for New England?

fatlazyless · 08-23-2011, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CateP

I posted a comment on my Wolfeboro recon thread, but wanted to bring out this topic for discussion.

In a nutshell, I was pretty disappointed with the car wash down at Wolfeboro Falls Clark Plaza. When I move here I want to take my car to a place where they vacuum out your car, run it through a swirling brush car wash and then they hand towel it dry. It would also be nice if they cleaned the windows and wiped down the inside. There is a car wash like this in NJ that is $12.

Am I going to have to say goodbye to this kind of service when I move up to Wolfeboro? It's going to be more important to me to clean of the salt and sand and preserve my car up here.

There is nothing up here in the lakes region that comes close to this for $12.

For $8-10-12 or so, the Mobil Gas at Exit 23 has a pretty good drive-thru car wash. It was constructed maybe 1 1/2 to 2 years ago when the gas station was first constructed. There are no car wash employees present what-so-ever.....sorry....probably need to go to Medford, Mass for that towel wipe dry, interior vacuum by peoples type of service.

robmac · 08-23-2011, 08:12 PM

FLL, I took my Tahoe to that car wash a week ago. What a disappointment,windows were harder to see out of afterward then prior to cleaning. That car wash just off Mystic ave. used to be fantastic but like so many it has slipped to below mediocre.

NHBUOY · 08-23-2011, 08:38 PM

Sonny's on the Lynnway...Boy, do I miss him...

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Lucy Goose · 08-23-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NBR

Kate,

The only one I know of is on Elm Street in Manchester on Elm street south of the city center and on the east side of the street. Beyond that there is a place on rt. 3 between Laconia and I93. Not a pull or drive through but he does do a pretty good job. Take a book you will be a while.

No guarantees that the Manchester place is still in businees. I haven't been there in 3 or 4 years.

I use to go to that car wash. Loved it because they did my windows which I hate doing and am terrible at. They still exist but don't do all the extras. Just a car wash now.

Lucy Goose · 08-23-2011, 08:56 PM

I heard the onein Meredith is good on the hill but haven't tried it yet so can't recommend.

fatlazyless · 08-23-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucy Goose

I heard the onein Meredith is good on the hill but haven't tried it yet so can't recommend.

If you mean the one opposite the Volvo dealer.....then sorry.....do no recommend it because it is a very brief wash.....not enough splash for the cash.....60-seconds wash and it's all over.....suggest you check out the other Meredith car wash just beyond Aubuchon Hardware which costs about $10-12 and takes about 5-minutes. You drive around behind it and up a little hill to get into the one touchless car wash bay. It also has three el cheapo, do-it-yourself, $2.75 wash bays which usually work terrific for removing winter salt and getting under the car, if you don't want to be spending the $10-12 at the touchless Simonize bay.

martbri7 · 08-23-2011, 10:01 PM

I like the pretty color soaps that pumps out on your windshield.....

AB_Monterey · 08-23-2011, 10:51 PM

dpg · 08-24-2011, 05:52 AM

You won't be detailing your car yourself once the cold weather sets it unless of course you won't mind washing it in 20 degree weather (and having the suds freeze before you even get them off.) Better find a good, reasonable detailer you will use their services from Early December through April.

Sunbeam lodge · 08-24-2011, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sa meredith

Wait a minute....wash the car, hand dry it, vacuum it out, wipe down the inside, and oh, by the way, do the windows....FOR 12 BUCKS???!!!
Let us all know when you find that place. I'm in!

I think she said it was in NJ

SAMIAM · 08-24-2011, 06:30 AM

Full service car wash sounds like a good business opportunity.....I go to one in Fla and after it goes through the brush wash, about 6 little Mexicans wipe down all the windows, dash, door jams, wheels and body....car is sparkling for $13.
Brushless washes don't get rid of salt and grime so I go to the one in Meredith or Laconia next to the Pizza Hut.

Lakesrider · 08-24-2011, 10:28 AM

I work in Wolfeboro but I still take my truck to the wash down near Center Harbor. It does a fairly good job and there is a detailer there as well. No where near here are you going to get ANYTHING for $12.00 as far as a towel dry goes. Heck, the wash alone is around $12.00. Actually think we are lucky to have a car wash at all in Wolfeboro seeing as it is so close the lake....

sa meredith · 08-24-2011, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Full service car wash sounds like a good business opportunity.....I go to one in Fla and after it goes through the brush wash, about 6 little Mexicans wipe down all the windows, dash, door jams, wheels and body....car is sparkling for $13.
Brushless washes don't get rid of salt and grime so I go to the one in Meredith or Laconia next to the Pizza Hut.

Maybe the grass lot behind VK...nice little car wash/recon shop. Have breakfast, while watching the Mexicans clean your car.
While I think of it...did the view change back there? Seems like the mountains are more visible now. Maybe some tree clearing? I'm not sure as I usually eat at the counter, but sat near the window last Sunday. Maybe I just never noticed.

SAMIAM · 08-24-2011, 11:34 AM

Yup....Randy Frye Logging cleared the back lot so we could get a view of the mountains........did a nice job.
As for the car wash....not a bad idea, only it'll probably be me that's wiping down the cars

jmen24 · 08-24-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Yup....Randy Frye Logging cleared the back lot so we could get a view of the mountains........did a nice job.
As for the car wash....not a bad idea, only it'll probably be me that's wiping down the cars

SAMIAM, it would have to be you that would wipe the cars, if you wanted to make any money. The overhead for that type of service in an area like the lakes region (read, not many people looking to pay for that level of service) would be rediculous. You would have to charge $100 per car just to keep the lights on. Not to mention the startup costs, the reclaim systems required in this state are not cheap to buy or operate.

Cate, you need to remember that you are coming to a state that has less people living in it, than a good portion of the towns in your state. The amount of volume that those services see in your area in a month would take a year up here. The costs for everything is going to be higher up here than NJ. All I can say is good luck, but if the style and price of a car wash is getting your goat, then you may have a tough sled up here. Wait until you get your first fuel oil fill up, then after the you pay that $900 bill, figure on 3-4 more coming down the pike.

I always laugh when I see folks paying for the expensive washes during the middle of winter. Give it a rinse every once in a while to keep the salt down until the spring melt is done, because you will never keep up with it.

Uno's in Concord with run your through the fully automated wash with a Deluxe scrub for $12, that will clean the outside, the rest is up to you. If you give them a $2 tip as you pull in they will spray your rims and salt line with a fantastic solution.

Now Cate, I don't want to come across as harsh or looking down on you(because to each their own), but we are different folks up here when it comes to the cushy side of life. There are certainly places in the state for those that are looking for that lifestyle and all the power to them, like WD was talking about. Have you had a chance to spend a full winter up here yet. I know you said you were originally from NE, but I am not talking about a Southern NH or Southofthat winter. I am talking about a Central NH, snowbanks taller than your car from November into April, winter. I know you spend a good amount of time during our pretty seasons, but you have to live through our ugly season in order to really enjoy life up here.

Life up here doesn't require much, it is pretty good the way it is.

SIKSUKR · 08-24-2011, 12:45 PM

Not to be Dougie downer here Cate but I find I choose to wash my car very little in winter. In my mind I don't like paying for a wash and by the time I get home its already dirty. You will find the road conditions quite different here with melting snow almost always somewhere on the road. Yup, 5 seconds behind a car throwing up salty runoff and there goes your newly washed $10. I might clean mine 4 times in the winter. Your mileage may vary.

CateP · 08-24-2011, 02:30 PM

I lived in Maine for 10 years and know what winter is like.
I have lived in NE most of my life.
I went to the New Hampton School... during the winter.
My family had a house in Melvin Village that I used year-round.
Everything up here is NOT more expensive than NJ, in fact quite the opposite.
It is not illegal to pump your own gas in NJ.
I took a boat ride around Wolfeboro and Alton last week and saw many a waterfront mansion. I would beg to differ that there is no "cushy life" up here.
I have never washed my car in the lakes region so pardon my ignorance about what is available. As I said before, I will adapt to car wash conditions. It's not that big a deal.
Please don't assume that just because I am moving from NJ that I have a certain attitude, expectations or life style. That would be stereotyping.

jmen24 · 08-24-2011, 03:00 PM

No hard feeling Cate, I can only speak for myself, but I did not mean any harm in my post. Things are the way they are around here. Enjoy your time here, sounds like you got lots of experience in the area. Happy house hunting.

My expensive comment came from the perspective of running a business in a seasonal area, not really the cost of living, that's relative.

moose tracks · 08-24-2011, 04:17 PM

CateP - When will you be moving to NH? Are you still just looking? How much more research on the lake region towns do you need to do?

CateP · 08-24-2011, 05:39 PM

Moosetracks--I will be moving to Wolfeboro as soon as I sell my house in NJ. (hoping by October at the latest) I have been researching the lakes region as a place to relocate since the summer of 2009. I have been seriously researching towns since the summer of 2010. For various reasons I have chosen Wolfeboro over Gilford or Meredith (previous choices).

I've been sharing my story on the forum since January of this year.

Lakepilot · 08-24-2011, 06:45 PM

Relative to the original thread, I too have not had very good luck with the Wolfeboro car wash. It is by far the worst one I've ever used. I too wish there was something better in town.

Pineedles · 08-24-2011, 08:05 PM

Hi Cate,

You got to see Centre Harbor dring the FF, although I still don't know who you are in the picture despite your description, but just a few yards over the border into Moultonborough is a great car wash on Rt. 25. Also a great area to live. Access to wonderful restaurants, stepping off area to the White Mountain area and all teh outlets in N. Conway, great antiquing in the Sandwich area, etc, etc.

CGI3 · 08-24-2011, 09:54 PM

"If there is not a car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live)
Cate, get used to it, there are no Mexican immigrants (or very few) in the Lakes Region. Your going to have to pay full price for all your labor costs. Carwashing, house cleaning, landscaping, roofing, painting..etc. etc.etc.

CateP · 08-25-2011, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pineedles

Hi Cate,

You got to see Centre Harbor dring the FF, although I still don't know who you are in the picture despite your description, but just a few yards over the border into Moultonborough is a great car wash on Rt. 25. Also a great area to live. Access to wonderful restaurants, stepping off area to the White Mountain area and all teh outlets in N. Conway, great antiquing in the Sandwich area, etc, etc.

I love it up in Center Harbor. Definitely a destination. I have new friends in Plymouth and old friends in Gilford. I will be going to the Huskies games at New Hampton too so I will be out and about in the region. That's why I want to move here. It's not about one town, but the whole area!!!

Mirror Lake's BB · 08-25-2011, 11:04 AM

"...car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live)".

"Please don't assume that just because I am moving from NJ that I have a certain attitude, expectations or life style. That would be stereotyping."

"Does Wolfeboro have a reputation for being wealthy and elitist?"

"I really don't mean to try to stereotype Wolfeboro residents. That was wrong of me and I apologize. I am sure there are all kinds of wonderful people in the area and I will just have to get to know them."

GsChinadoll · 08-25-2011, 12:29 PM

Cate,
I hardly ever wash my car. Maybe every two years!

A crusty base layer protects the car from all the salt and sand. A good tropical storm and a short drive behind a tractor/trailer truck and it's nice and clean!

I think from reading all of your posts, that you don't sweat the small stuff and can more than handle yourself up here. I don't know about handling some of the testy people in the forum though!

CateP · 08-25-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GsChinadoll

Cate,
I hardly ever wash my car. Maybe every two years!

A crusty base layer protects the car from all the salt and sand. A good tropical storm and a short drive behind a tractor/trailer truck and it's nice and clean!

I think from reading all of your posts, that you don't sweat the small stuff and can more than handle yourself up here. I don't know about handling some of the testy people in the forum though!

Ha. Ha. I was the same way when I lived in Maine. I NEVER washed my car...but soon found out the salt and sand was doing a number on the body (which actually had a lot of metal on it, not the plastic we see now). I think I could have kept my car longer if I had washed it more and tried to protect it from the elements.

My last car, a 1998 Subaru Forester, had 220K miles on it when I sold it and I took better care of it. I just got my 2008 Subaru Forester last year and it's the nicest car I have owned and I want to keep it for years and years to come. That is why I am hoping to find a good car wash or figure out how I can do the kind of car care I want to do to make it last.

BTW-that $12 full-service car wash in NJ is in a really sketchy part of town and always makes me feel a little nervous being there. So I'm not going to miss it much at all.

sa meredith · 08-25-2011, 04:09 PM

A while back there was a thread...something like: "What do we need/want in lakes region, that is lacking"...and we now have the answer.
More Mexicans!
I'll take a few...they can clean the car, learn all aspects of upkeep for the boat, stack my firewood, run the 2 #40 propane tanks into town, do some light cooking, hell...do the driving...do Mexicans do laundry? Probably...
Give me a half dozen.

Winnisquamguy · 08-25-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CateP

Moosetracks--I will be moving to Wolfeboro as soon as I sell my house in NJ. (hoping by October at the latest) I have been researching the lakes region as a place to relocate since the summer of 2009. I have been seriously researching towns since the summer of 2010. For various reasons I have chosen Wolfeboro over Gilford or Meredith (previous choices).

I've been sharing my story on the forum since January of this year.

Did you buy something in Wolfeboro? I thought from all your posts you just rented there for a few weeks? If so congrats!

CateP · 08-26-2011, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Winnisquamguy

Did you buy something in Wolfeboro? I thought from all your posts you just rented there for a few weeks? If so congrats!

I am renting now and put an offer in on a house in Wolfeboro.

Hope my NJ shore house is there when I return to NJ next week.

lawn psycho · 08-26-2011, 10:18 AM

The best and closest true full service detailing service is Portland Detailing.
http://www.portlanddetailing.com/

It's $195 and the do the wheel wells, etc. They do Ferraris and similar cars and I had them do Mustang. From Wolfeboro they are way closer than Nashua, etc.

The way I have preserved all my cars is every spring I put my vehicles on stands and use a pressure washer to get all the grit off the under carriage. That calcium products used today actually pull moisture from air and creates non stop corrosion if you don't get it off the car. After doing three cars every year I have several dust pans full of grit to sweep off driveway when done. Make you understand why so many cars have rusted frames in 10 years or less.

If you go to Fox Run mall the car was in Newimgton is decent for quickie wash.

KBoater · 08-26-2011, 01:28 PM

Check out the various washing options at Trites in Wolfeboro. The prices vary according to need. Many folks in town use the in the winter. Also check the paper for coupons.

diz · 09-06-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CateP

I lived in Maine for 10 years and know what winter is like.
I have lived in NE most of my life.
I went to the New Hampton School... during the winter.
My family had a house in Melvin Village that I used year-round.
Everything up here is NOT more expensive than NJ, in fact quite the opposite.
It is not illegal to pump your own gas in NJ.
I took a boat ride around Wolfeboro and Alton last week and saw many a waterfront mansion. I would beg to differ that there is no "cushy life" up here.
I have never washed my car in the lakes region so pardon my ignorance about what is available. As I said before, I will adapt to car wash conditions. It's not that big a deal.
Please don't assume that just because I am moving from NJ that I have a certain attitude, expectations or life style. That would be stereotyping.

Sorry, I had to get the answer to this because we have family in NJ and I was curious about the answer. (And because I'm the one who made the original comment.) Wikipedia says it is illegal to pump your own gas in NJ:

All stations in New Jersey and Oregon offer only full service and mini service; attendants are required to pump gas because customers are barred by statutes in both states from pumping their own gas. New Jersey banned self-service gasoline in 1949 after lobbying by service station owners. Proponents of the ban cite safety and jobs as reasons to keep the ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filling_station

tis · 09-06-2011, 05:27 PM

We had this discussion on here quite some time ago.

We have a friend whose father was the person who forced the law to make it illegal to pump gas in NJ. He wanted to have self serve gas stations and the state wouldn't allow it. So as part of the legal agreement NJ could never allow self serve without a large payment of money to him or his heirs. I guess they don't want to pay, so would rather stay full service.

tis · 09-06-2011, 06:12 PM

http://blog.nj.com/njv_paul_mulshine..._it_yours.html

We had a neighbor who is the daughter of Irving Rheingold. Roni mentioned in the story was her sister. According to our neighbor the state will have to pay a hefty sum to their family if NJ ever lifts it's ban on self serve.

This is from the archives from this forum. I can't seem to make the url ? work though. It seems like it is gone.

codeman671 · 09-06-2011, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Winnipesaukee Divers

We all seem to have our own version of the perfect place to live. For me it's Exeter, NH... It's a academic town (Phillips Exeter Academy) and prestigious medical area. These two industries (for the lack of a better word) as well as Timberland and Tyco bring a lot of money into our community and therefore afford us a higher standard of living.

Tyco? They shut that facility down ages ago. The one in the industrial park next to timberland. My wife worked there at one point. I grew up in Exeter.

GM doc · 09-06-2011, 07:58 PM

There is a new car wash building going up on rt16 just South of the Hannafords, across from the Citgo gas station.

CateP · 09-06-2011, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by diz

Sorry, I had to get the answer to this because we have family in NJ and I was curious about the answer. (And because I'm the one who made the original comment.) Wikipedia says it is illegal to pump your own gas in NJ:

All stations in New Jersey and Oregon offer only full service and mini service; attendants are required to pump gas because customers are barred by statutes in both states from pumping their own gas. New Jersey banned self-service gasoline in 1949 after lobbying by service station owners. Proponents of the ban cite safety and jobs as reasons to keep the ban.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filling_station

I stand corrected. It just seemed absurd to me to have a law like that.
But I guess it's no stranger than the NH law about not being able to sell the clothes you are wearing to settle a gambling debt

SAMIAM · 09-07-2011, 06:26 AM

That law was put in place due to union demands........it is very costly to provide attendants at every pump in the state but that's what they do.

Winnisquamguy · 09-07-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

it is very costly to provide attendants at every pump in the state but that's what they do.

It also provides hundreds or thousands of jobs, which is a good thing in this day and age.

tis · 09-07-2011, 12:45 PM

It was Irving Reingold who created the crisis that led to the law banning self-serve gasoline. Reingold, a workaholic who took time out only to fly his collection of World War II fighter planes, started the crisis by doing something gas station owners hated: He lowered prices. Fifty-one years ago, gas was selling at 21.9 cents a gallon.
Reingold decided to offer the consumer a choice by opening up a 24-pump gas station on Route 17 in Hackensack. He offered gas at 18.9 cents a gallon. The only requirement was that drivers pump it themselves. They didn't mind. They lined up for blocks.
The other gas station operators didn't like the competition. Someone tried shooting up Reingold's station. But he installed bulletproof glass, so the retailers looked for a softer target - the Statehouse. The Gasoline Retailers Association prevailed upon its pals in the Legislature to push through a bill banning self-serve gas. The pretext was safety, but the Hackensack fire chief had already told all who would listen that Reingold's operation was perfectly safe.
The bill sailed through in record time, despite the objections of everyone who cared about the public interest. Journalists howled. "Chalk up another victory for the organized pressure groups," said WOR radio commentator Lyle Van.
Prices went back up. Reingold got out of gas and moved on to other endeavors, such as revolutionizing the sport-fishing business in Florida with boats that were bigger and more luxurious than anyone had seen. He died two years ago. His daughter Roni told me that on his deathbed he was still angry about the way the politicians ran him out of business. It's amazing that New Jersey consumers could still be suffering in the Internet era from a crooked deal that went through in the pre-television era. Amazing but true. We're now paying more than $1.40 a gallon for gas, but a before-tax comparison with Pennsylvania prices shows that New Jersey drivers could be paying as little as $1.20 a gallon if the state government hadn't rigged the market in favor of the retailers.
Friedman chuckled at other arguments politicians of both parties use to justify the current system. Whitman argues that thousands of jobs would be lost under self-serve. Furnari argues that small stations would go out of business. But both politicians insist prices would increase.
That violates every rule of economics, said Friedman. If prices increased, there would be no need for jobs to be lost or stations to go out of business. The real effect of self-service would be the one the politicians tried to prevent in 1949 - prices would drop. That in turn would lead to some loss of jobs and the elimination of some inefficient businesses. But that's how the free market works: to benefit the consumer.
''Of course, that's the usual pattern - using consumer protection as the excuse for preventing competition," says Friedman.
So there you have it. For us consumers, the gas pumps may be full-service. But when it comes to making sure the politicians protect their profits, the lobbyists are always helping themselves

Here is the story.

08-23-2011, 01:24 PM	#1
CateP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 868 Thanks: 584 Thanked 540 Times in 210 Posts	Full Service Car Wash? I posted a comment on my Wolfeboro recon thread, but wanted to bring out this topic for discussion. In a nutshell, I was pretty disappointed with the car wash down at Wolfeboro Falls Clarke Plaza. When I move here I want to take my car to a place where they vacuum out your car, run it through a swirling brush car wash and then they hand towel it dry. It would also be nice if they cleaned the windows and wiped down the inside. There is a car wash like this in NJ that is $12. Am I going to have to say goodbye to this kind of service when I move up to Wolfeboro? It's going to be more important to me to clean of the salt and sand and preserve my car up here. Last edited by CateP; 08-26-2011 at 05:40 PM. Reason: spelling error

08-23-2011, 02:20 PM	#3
CateP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 868 Thanks: 584 Thanked 540 Times in 210 Posts	Hi WD- NJ is not looking better all the time and as I mentioned before I am not moving here to shop. I don't expect Wolfeboro to be like NJ and that is exactly why I am moving here. I love this small town by the lake that is full of friendly , interesting, talented people. I love that the IGA people take your cart out to your car. I love that there are so many great places to eat and that I can go downtown, park my car and go into a bunch of local shops that are surviving and thriving in an economic downturn. I love that there is more and more to discover. At this point I am in the process of discovering what is and what is not available as far as some services. I will adapt and adjust as needed. If there is not a car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live) then I will have to become my OWN towel guy (or girl). Just give me a heated garage and I'll detail my own car. Hey, with a much more relaxed pace in life here in Wolfeboro, I may actually have the time and enjoy such a chore. Last edited by CateP; 08-23-2011 at 04:22 PM. Reason: typo

08-23-2011, 03:33 PM	#5
NBR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bristol Posts: 119 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	Full Service Car Wash Kate, The only one I know of is on Elm Street in Manchester on Elm street south of the city center and on the east side of the street. Beyond that there is a place on rt. 3 between Laconia and I93. Not a pull or drive through but he does do a pretty good job. Take a book you will be a while. No guarantees that the Manchester place is still in businees. I haven't been there in 3 or 4 years.

08-23-2011, 03:53 PM	#6
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	Really? Wait a minute....wash the car, hand dry it, vacuum it out, wipe down the inside, and oh, by the way, do the windows....FOR 12 BUCKS???!!! Let us all know when you find that place. I'm in!

08-23-2011, 04:27 PM	#8
CateP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 868 Thanks: 584 Thanked 540 Times in 210 Posts	Wolfeboro Car Wash Does Detailing I wanted to add a note to this thread about the Wolfeboro Car Wash. They DO offer detailing services such as the one I described, but not at the same price. I will probably use that service at some point this winter.

08-23-2011, 02:05 PM	#2
Winnipesaukee Divers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Exeter, NH or @ WCYC on weekends Posts: 250 Thanks: 7 Thanked 46 Times in 28 Posts	Geese Kate, NJ is looking better all the time, isn't it? That's just what Wolfecity is all about; you got to leave all the modern convinces behind when you move up there. I've often thought about moving on up the place where I have so much fun. But then I think about how much I'd have to give up: no real grocery stores, no Home Depot, no Lowes, no department stores, no movie complexes, no large variety of cheap fast foods places, no high end restaurants, no car washes, no premium medical facilities, no quick trips to anywhere. Then I think back and remember, that's the lifestyle I came from, rural Vermont. Do I really want to go back? NO! A friend of mine, who recently retired had these words of wisdom for me; "The thing I miss most about retiring, is that there are no more weekends, everyday is the same". Some of us need that carrot on the end of the stick, looking forward to the coming weekend. I'll take my retirement right here where life is good and keep Wolfeboro as my fun place to go play. BTW: that Car wash you're looking for... the closes is "Top Hat" in Rochester on Rt. 125.

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08-23-2011, 03:28 PM	#4
Winnipesaukee Divers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Exeter, NH or @ WCYC on weekends Posts: 250 Thanks: 7 Thanked 46 Times in 28 Posts	We all seem to have our own version of the perfect place to live. For me it's Exeter, NH... It's a academic town (Phillips Exeter Academy) and prestigious medical area. These two industries (for the lack of a better word) as well as Timberland and Tyco bring a lot of money into our community and therefore afford us a higher standard of living. I'm just an hour form Wolfeboro & the lake, 10 minutes from Hampton Beach, 45 minutes from Boston, 2 hours from the White mountains and a hour from the Maine coast. Major roads connect through the greater Exeter area as well as the Downeaster rail service. It's by no means, NJ living, but comfortable. For me, it's all about the excitement of journey up to the lake, it means that; I'm going to be having fun. I've been doing it for the last 35 years, spending weekends on my boat in Wolfeboro. I been there in the worst of times; the ice storm of 88, the blizzard of 93, Hurricane Bob, to those idyllic summer days sailing away to Ragged Island for raft up with fellow club members.

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08-23-2011, 08:12 PM	#12
robmac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashua,Meredith Posts: 951 Thanks: 213 Thanked 106 Times in 81 Posts	FLL, I took my Tahoe to that car wash a week ago. What a disappointment,windows were harder to see out of afterward then prior to cleaning. That car wash just off Mystic ave. used to be fantastic but like so many it has slipped to below mediocre.

08-23-2011, 08:38 PM	#13
NHBUOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Loon Mtn. winters...Meredith Neck summers Posts: 398 Thanks: 288 Thanked 94 Times in 60 Posts	Sonny's on the Lynnway...Boy, do I miss him......

08-23-2011, 08:56 PM	#15
Lucy Goose Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 228 Thanks: 29 Thanked 108 Times in 29 Posts	I heard the onein Meredith is good on the hill but haven't tried it yet so can't recommend.

08-23-2011, 10:01 PM	#17
martbri7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 160 Thanks: 27 Thanked 83 Times in 17 Posts	I like the pretty color soaps that pumps out on your windshield.....

08-23-2011, 10:51 PM	#18
AB_Monterey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 293 Thanks: 86 Thanked 78 Times in 49 Posts	Goodgodalmighty

08-24-2011, 05:52 AM	#19
dpg Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,560 Thanks: 149 Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts	You won't be detailing your car yourself once the cold weather sets it unless of course you won't mind washing it in 20 degree weather (and having the suds freeze before you even get them off.) Better find a good, reasonable detailer you will use their services from Early December through April.

08-24-2011, 06:30 AM	#21
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,836 Thanks: 326 Thanked 1,626 Times in 562 Posts	Full service car wash sounds like a good business opportunity.....I go to one in Fla and after it goes through the brush wash, about 6 little Mexicans wipe down all the windows, dash, door jams, wheels and body....car is sparkling for $13. Brushless washes don't get rid of salt and grime so I go to the one in Meredith or Laconia next to the Pizza Hut.

08-24-2011, 10:28 AM	#22
Lakesrider Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,129 Thanks: 380 Thanked 1,016 Times in 345 Posts	I work in Wolfeboro but I still take my truck to the wash down near Center Harbor. It does a fairly good job and there is a detailer there as well. No where near here are you going to get ANYTHING for $12.00 as far as a towel dry goes. Heck, the wash alone is around $12.00. Actually think we are lucky to have a car wash at all in Wolfeboro seeing as it is so close the lake....

08-24-2011, 11:34 AM	#24
SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,836 Thanks: 326 Thanked 1,626 Times in 562 Posts	Yup....Randy Frye Logging cleared the back lot so we could get a view of the mountains........did a nice job. As for the car wash....not a bad idea, only it'll probably be me that's wiping down the cars

08-24-2011, 12:45 PM	#26
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	Not to be Dougie downer here Cate but I find I choose to wash my car very little in winter. In my mind I don't like paying for a wash and by the time I get home its already dirty. You will find the road conditions quite different here with melting snow almost always somewhere on the road. Yup, 5 seconds behind a car throwing up salty runoff and there goes your newly washed $10. I might clean mine 4 times in the winter. Your mileage may vary. __________________ SIKSUKR

08-24-2011, 02:30 PM	#27
CateP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 868 Thanks: 584 Thanked 540 Times in 210 Posts	General Reply I lived in Maine for 10 years and know what winter is like. I have lived in NE most of my life. I went to the New Hampton School... during the winter. My family had a house in Melvin Village that I used year-round. Everything up here is NOT more expensive than NJ, in fact quite the opposite. It is not illegal to pump your own gas in NJ. I took a boat ride around Wolfeboro and Alton last week and saw many a waterfront mansion. I would beg to differ that there is no "cushy life" up here. I have never washed my car in the lakes region so pardon my ignorance about what is available. As I said before, I will adapt to car wash conditions. It's not that big a deal. Please don't assume that just because I am moving from NJ that I have a certain attitude, expectations or life style. That would be stereotyping. Last edited by CateP; 08-24-2011 at 02:38 PM. Reason: Added bullet points

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08-24-2011, 03:00 PM	#28
jmen24 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,139 Thanks: 223 Thanked 319 Times in 181 Posts	No hard feeling Cate, I can only speak for myself, but I did not mean any harm in my post. Things are the way they are around here. Enjoy your time here, sounds like you got lots of experience in the area. Happy house hunting. My expensive comment came from the perspective of running a business in a seasonal area, not really the cost of living, that's relative.

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08-24-2011, 04:17 PM	#29
moose tracks Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Loudon, Tennessee, foothills of the Great Smoky Mountains Posts: 283 Thanks: 340 Thanked 41 Times in 33 Posts	When will you be moving to NH? CateP - When will you be moving to NH? Are you still just looking? How much more research on the lake region towns do you need to do? __________________ Moose Tracks

08-24-2011, 05:39 PM	#30
CateP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wolfeboro Posts: 868 Thanks: 584 Thanked 540 Times in 210 Posts	Moosetracks--I will be moving to Wolfeboro as soon as I sell my house in NJ. (hoping by October at the latest) I have been researching the lakes region as a place to relocate since the summer of 2009. I have been seriously researching towns since the summer of 2010. For various reasons I have chosen Wolfeboro over Gilford or Meredith (previous choices). I've been sharing my story on the forum since January of this year.

08-24-2011, 06:45 PM	#31
Lakepilot Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 446 Thanks: 70 Thanked 57 Times in 40 Posts	Relative to the original thread, I too have not had very good luck with the Wolfeboro car wash. It is by far the worst one I've ever used. I too wish there was something better in town.

08-24-2011, 08:05 PM	#32
Pineedles Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moultonborough & CT Posts: 2,535 Thanks: 1,059 Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts	Hi Cate, You got to see Centre Harbor dring the FF, although I still don't know who you are in the picture despite your description, but just a few yards over the border into Moultonborough is a great car wash on Rt. 25. Also a great area to live. Access to wonderful restaurants, stepping off area to the White Mountain area and all teh outlets in N. Conway, great antiquing in the Sandwich area, etc, etc.

08-24-2011, 09:54 PM	#33
CGI3 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 91 Thanks: 135 Thanked 18 Times in 11 Posts	"If there is not a car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live) Cate, get used to it, there are no Mexican immigrants (or very few) in the Lakes Region. Your going to have to pay full price for all your labor costs. Carwashing, house cleaning, landscaping, roofing, painting..etc. etc.etc.

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08-25-2011, 11:04 AM	#35
Mirror Lake's BB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wayne, PA & Mirror Lake Posts: 150 Thanks: 116 Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts	Only a Couple of Amusing "CateP Quotes" "...car wash with towel guys (Mexican immigrants where I currently live)". "Please don't assume that just because I am moving from NJ that I have a certain attitude, expectations or life style. That would be stereotyping." "Does Wolfeboro have a reputation for being wealthy and elitist?" "I really don't mean to try to stereotype Wolfeboro residents. That was wrong of me and I apologize. I am sure there are all kinds of wonderful people in the area and I will just have to get to know them."

08-25-2011, 12:29 PM	#36
GsChinadoll Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Northern MA & Moultonboro Posts: 54 Thanks: 333 Thanked 15 Times in 7 Posts	She wasn't really complaining! Cate, I hardly ever wash my car. Maybe every two years! A crusty base layer protects the car from all the salt and sand. A good tropical storm and a short drive behind a tractor/trailer truck and it's nice and clean! I think from reading all of your posts, that you don't sweat the small stuff and can more than handle yourself up here. I don't know about handling some of the testy people in the forum though! __________________ Don't let people drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.

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08-25-2011, 04:09 PM	#38
sa meredith Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 986 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 32 Thanked 352 Times in 137 Posts	old thread... A while back there was a thread...something like: "What do we need/want in lakes region, that is lacking"...and we now have the answer. More Mexicans! I'll take a few...they can clean the car, learn all aspects of upkeep for the boat, stack my firewood, run the 2 #40 propane tanks into town, do some light cooking, hell...do the driving...do Mexicans do laundry? Probably... Give me a half dozen.

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08-26-2011, 10:18 AM	#41
lawn psycho Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: On the move... Posts: 987 Thanks: 113 Thanked 248 Times in 133 Posts	The best and closest true full service detailing service is Portland Detailing. http://www.portlanddetailing.com/ It's $195 and the do the wheel wells, etc. They do Ferraris and similar cars and I had them do Mustang. From Wolfeboro they are way closer than Nashua, etc. The way I have preserved all my cars is every spring I put my vehicles on stands and use a pressure washer to get all the grit off the under carriage. That calcium products used today actually pull moisture from air and creates non stop corrosion if you don't get it off the car. After doing three cars every year I have several dust pans full of grit to sweep off driveway when done. Make you understand why so many cars have rusted frames in 10 years or less. If you go to Fox Run mall the car was in Newimgton is decent for quickie wash.