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06-14-2023, 06:44 AM | #1 |
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Not a great thing to wake up to this morning...
...I heard a big noise in the middle of the night during the heavy rains, but assumed it was thunder...I guess not..
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06-14-2023, 06:58 AM | #2 |
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Yikes! That's weird. I think I see nails but it must not have been attached very well.
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I'm guessing that pine needles and other debris from the last 14 years blocked whatever drainage it was supposed to have and the water built up and it gave way.
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I can't tell for sure...
But it looks like they used soffit material and nailed directly to purlins attached to the deck joist. The deck joist are beginning to show some signs of rot. They have better systems. |
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yes...
Yes, that's exactly how it was done. I am concerned if the joists are showing rot. A few of the deck boards on top have become punky where they get hit with roof water run-off...at a minimum, those need to be replaced. Might be time to bite the bullet and replace the whole darn thing with Azek or other material that will out-live me.
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Unfortunately the practicality of putting in esthetic features, is often not good. you have to have a way to get that debris out, or the result is as you have experienced..... Hopefully the frame of the deck is still solid.... a few punky boards on top are easy to replace... if you went the "roof" for the deck below, just incorporate a way to pressure wash the debris out occasionally....
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''Nail Pop" occurs on both sides of a deck. The expansion/contracting of the wood wicking moisture and then drying out loosens the fastener and allows for a small amount of rot around it.
If the panels are still good... you can check the level of rot... clean it up... add joist tape and reinstall the panels, but with screws that are larger than the current fasteners. Most likely replace the purlins and wrap those with the tape before securing. The top decking can be fixed by a mixture of either deck grates or just replacing a few boards that take the pounding from drip off the roof. (obviously joist tape what you can under those also). Time and Mother Nature will rip down any structure. |
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I don't think a hose or pressure washer would work.
The attachment to the purlins limits the gap created for the run-off of water and debris. If you look at a system, like the Trex RainEscape, it creates a large gutter that has an opening deep enough so that all the debris flows freely to the catch basins, and the catch basins are big so less chance of clogging. Just rather expensive. |
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You are SO right...
You couldn't be more spot on! When my son is here every few weeks, he and his dog like to sit on that patio furniture below the deck and just look out at the lake. If it had happened when he and the dog were there, we'd have much bigger problems than cleaning up broken vinyl soffit and pine needle sludge.
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Soffit
Had they used vented soffit instead of solid you probably wouldn't have had this problem !
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It would leak onto the patio below... which was what they were most likely trying to avoid.
Prior to decking, you can use Trex RainEscape... after decking you can use Timbertech Dryspace. Other than that... you have to realize wherever the ceiling is attached to the purlin... that is the gap you have for water and debris. Overtime, the purlins will rot, and the nails/screws will release. |
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Now for the repairs...
OK, so the mess is all cleaned up and now it's time for the repairs. A contractor who was referred to me by a friend came by the other day. I asked for two estimates: one to do the "short-term fix" to get things back to where they were and one that is a long-term solution to replace all of the wood deck boards and rails with Azek or something similar. I also asked him to think about what could be done with the "short term fix" that could prevent this from happening again, (thinking of John's suggestion of the under-deck drainage/gutter system). That was clearly something he had no experience with.
He was a friendly guy, but I just had the gut feeling that this might be beyond his skill-set. So, appreciate any recommendations on high quality, (and yes, that may mean high cost), deck guys. I don't want any hacks and I don't want anyone who does it part-time when they're not working at the fire station. Thanks. |
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It depends on what you choose.
Are you going to resurface the deck, and is Azek the product of choice? In a perfect world, the contractor would have undergone certification by the manufacturer, know how to use their design tools, and be able to give you what the finished product and price would be before you sign a contract. |
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Hopefully, none of the rot has encroached into the sill of the main house. Any carpenter can build a deck. Not all carpenters can build a deck correctly. Trex has an interesting design website. LINK Paul Haskel of Gilford. Name of an excellent carpenter. |
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06-30-2023, 10:51 AM | #23 |
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Trex has a better one in the deck planner.
But if he wants Azek, he should use the Timbertech one to deal with any nuances of the product line. It will be easier when they go to order as the item codes will match up with the product. |
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Zip Up
I remembered this thread from Meredithman and thought I would offer this option...
I'm in the process of doing an under deck ceiling system made by "Zip Up". This system is a "do it yourself" system and designed to be installed after your upper deck is installed which makes it nice. It's relatively inexpensive compared to other under deck systems that require access from the top and a lot less complicated to install with only three main pieces required. https://zipupceilings.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGAededTruk The system can accept can style lighting and I decided to go with lights made by Trex which are their "rainscape" can lighting which are lightweight and plug and play and require no electrician to install as long as you have an outlet somewhere to plug in transformer. I ended up purchasing online through Decks Direct as the only place in NH to get it was at Gilford Home Center. Unfortunately they could only get certain colors and sizes that I couldn't use which I thought was a little strange. Decks Direct had everything I needed and shipped it for free and was received in 3 days!! I'll take and post some pics once its done but thus far I have found it to be a pretty easy and good system to install especially for those of you trying to finish off underneath an already completed deck where options are very limited... Dan
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They may have been looking at DrySpace?
It seems to be a lot more limited in options than the product you chose. |
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Zipup
Zipup looks like great system. A very nice looking finished project.
25(?) years ago we put a "ceiling" over our lower deck to prevent rain from dripping through. We built a separate 12 x 24 frame and covered with corrugated aluminum panels. It is pitched for normal drainage, but it is also hinged so the whole ceiling lowers for cleaning and we leave it in the down position in the winter which protects the stored furniture a bit. It was a DIY project, but some help and guidance from knowledgeable contractors. |
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