Off highway fuel tax refunds

tmm366 · 03-28-2006, 05:14 PM

Like most boaters I sent my gas receipts to the state expecting a $200+ tax refund for the 2005 season. I just got a check for $22.86. Thinking this had to be a mistake I called the transportation dept and was told the rebates had to be filed quarterly which disqualified most of my gas slips. I guess this rule has been on the books for some time but only recently enforced. I called my marina who claimed ignorance of the change and will no longer do a gas rebate program. Any info or opinions would be appreciated. Tom

Skip · 03-28-2006, 05:24 PM

Yep, we talked about that last summer here as a matter of fact!

Skip

BroadHopper · 03-28-2006, 05:25 PM

This has been posted elsewhere on this forum.

You will have to submit your gas receipts on a quarterly basis. Also, marinas can no longer submit gas rebates for you.

upthesaukee · 03-28-2006, 05:48 PM

I went to fill up last summer, and Allison at the gas dock asked me if I knew about the change in the rebate program, and explained it to me as O was not aware. She even gave me a copy of the the form! Sorry you didn't get the same kind of assistance from your marina.

Silver Duck · 03-28-2006, 07:45 PM

tmm366

I don't know that the rule has been "on the books for some time", but the new rebate forms spell it out pretty clearly.

The tax rebate form for gas purchased in the April-May-June timeframe, for instance, has to be in by the last day of September.

I think that the Bizer website may have the new forms; if not, I do. Just let me know if you need one!

Silver Duck

tmm366 · 03-28-2006, 08:48 PM

I downloaded the rebate form which is different from the one the marina gave me with all my gas receipts. They still claim they were unaware of the change which is pretty amazing considering how much gas they sell. Oh well, live and learn. I sent an Email to the state about this but I dont expect anything will change Tom

nightrider · 03-28-2006, 10:29 PM

problem is, you still need a $10 minimum even for the quarter. So you need to use at least 56 gallons of gas. Seem wasteful if people buy un-needed gas at the end of the quarter just to make the $10 minimum.

Phantom · 03-29-2006, 07:56 AM

TMM366 -- I would have some SERIOUS concerns with the Marina your dealing with !!

TomC · 03-29-2006, 07:57 AM

1111 gallons, actually. with a typical boat mpg value at cruise of at 1-3 mpg thats a 1000 - 3000 miles of boating... wow.

tmm366 · 03-29-2006, 10:23 AM

Yes that is a lot of gas but my boat is pretty big, a 37' cruiser approx 16000 lbs. I used all that gas in spite of being anchored 90% of the time. It's expensive but it's worth it. I also agree that the marina was totally asleep at the switch but I do need the slip and services etc.

upthesaukee · 03-29-2006, 05:25 PM

TMM, keep an ear to this forum, and perhaps you can be the enlightener for your marina staff and fellow boaters as well.

tis · 03-30-2006, 07:37 AM

There is no good reason that the marina's need to charge boaters the tax as they are using the gas on the water. EXCEPT, EXCEPT, that the state is banking on the fact that most people will not bother to get the rebate and it is more money for the coffers. We use lots of gas and haven't bothered for years.

fpartri497 · 03-30-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

There is no good reason that the marina's need to charge boaters the tax as they are using the gas on the water. EXCEPT, EXCEPT, that the state is banking on the fact that most people will not bother to get the rebate and it is more money for the coffers. We use lots of gas and haven't bothered for years.

Ya hit the nail right on the old head there. I lost all last years recipts for gas because I never heard of the rule change. (Shame on me)

fpartri497

snowbird · 03-30-2006, 08:43 AM

Minutes of imagined meeting held recently in the Road Toll Bureau of NHDOS:

Staffer: Hey, boss, the change we made in the rebate procedure last year resulted in a savings to the state of enough dollars to pay for the extra clerks it takes to process fewer forms. How 'bout if we improve the system again, perhaps requiring monthly submissions?

Boss: Great idea! Anything to get back from boaters what they were beginning to feel was their due. Get to work on it. But the last change was so effective you shouldn't need so many extra clerks this time around.

Senter Cove Guy · 03-30-2006, 07:53 PM

I was very lax and did not submit my 2004 receipts until late Jan. 2006. I was hoping that since the revised law went into effect in mid-2005 that my 2004 receipts would still be honored. Two months later I was beginning to think that the answer was NO because I hadn't heard anything. Then yesterday the check arrived. But that will probably be the last time for me because I don't use enough gas in a quarter to make the cutoff.

03-28-2006, 05:14 PM	#1
tmm366 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Laconia, nh Posts: 31 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Off highway fuel tax refunds Like most boaters I sent my gas receipts to the state expecting a $200+ tax refund for the 2005 season. I just got a check for $22.86. Thinking this had to be a mistake I called the transportation dept and was told the rebates had to be filed quarterly which disqualified most of my gas slips. I guess this rule has been on the books for some time but only recently enforced. I called my marina who claimed ignorance of the change and will no longer do a gas rebate program. Any info or opinions would be appreciated. Tom

03-28-2006, 05:24 PM	#2
Skip Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Dover, NH Posts: 1,615 Thanks: 256 Thanked 514 Times in 182 Posts	Gas tax refunds.... Yep, we talked about that last summer here as a matter of fact! Skip

03-28-2006, 05:25 PM	#3
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,512 Thanks: 3,118 Thanked 1,090 Times in 784 Posts	Gas Rebate This has been posted elsewhere on this forum. You will have to submit your gas receipts on a quarterly basis. Also, marinas can no longer submit gas rebates for you. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

03-28-2006, 05:48 PM	#4
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,547 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,398 Thanked 1,918 Times in 1,061 Posts	That's why I like West Alton Marina! I went to fill up last summer, and Allison at the gas dock asked me if I knew about the change in the rebate program, and explained it to me as O was not aware. She even gave me a copy of the the form! Sorry you didn't get the same kind of assistance from your marina. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-28-2006, 10:29 PM	#7
nightrider Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: winter harbor Posts: 199 Thanks: 4 Thanked 33 Times in 18 Posts	gas rebate problem is, you still need a $10 minimum even for the quarter. So you need to use at least 56 gallons of gas. Seem wasteful if people buy un-needed gas at the end of the quarter just to make the $10 minimum.

03-28-2006, 07:45 PM	#5
Silver Duck Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Billerica, MA Posts: 364 Thanks: 40 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts	tmm366 I don't know that the rule has been "on the books for some time", but the new rebate forms spell it out pretty clearly. The tax rebate form for gas purchased in the April-May-June timeframe, for instance, has to be in by the last day of September. I think that the Bizer website may have the new forms; if not, I do. Just let me know if you need one! Silver Duck

03-28-2006, 08:48 PM	#6
tmm366 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Laconia, nh Posts: 31 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I downloaded the rebate form which is different from the one the marina gave me with all my gas receipts. They still claim they were unaware of the change which is pretty amazing considering how much gas they sell. Oh well, live and learn. I sent an Email to the state about this but I dont expect anything will change Tom

03-29-2006, 07:56 AM	#8
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin, Ma / Gilford Posts: 1,931 Thanks: 445 Thanked 604 Times in 340 Posts	TMM366 -- I would have some SERIOUS concerns with the Marina your dealing with !!

03-29-2006, 07:57 AM	#9
TomC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 547 Thanks: 9 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	$200 rebate is a lot of gas 1111 gallons, actually. with a typical boat mpg value at cruise of at 1-3 mpg thats a 1000 - 3000 miles of boating... wow.

03-29-2006, 10:23 AM	#10
tmm366 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Laconia, nh Posts: 31 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yes that is a lot of gas but my boat is pretty big, a 37' cruiser approx 16000 lbs. I used all that gas in spite of being anchored 90% of the time. It's expensive but it's worth it. I also agree that the marina was totally asleep at the switch but I do need the slip and services etc.

03-29-2006, 05:25 PM	#11
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,547 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,398 Thanked 1,918 Times in 1,061 Posts	TMM, keep an ear to this forum, and perhaps you can be the enlightener for your marina staff and fellow boaters as well. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

03-30-2006, 07:37 AM	#12
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,410 Thanks: 719 Thanked 1,381 Times in 957 Posts	There is no good reason that the marina's need to charge boaters the tax as they are using the gas on the water. EXCEPT, EXCEPT, that the state is banking on the fact that most people will not bother to get the rebate and it is more money for the coffers. We use lots of gas and haven't bothered for years.

03-30-2006, 08:43 AM	#14
snowbird Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Gilford Islander Posts: 55 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Gax tax rebate Minutes of imagined meeting held recently in the Road Toll Bureau of NHDOS: Staffer: Hey, boss, the change we made in the rebate procedure last year resulted in a savings to the state of enough dollars to pay for the extra clerks it takes to process fewer forms. How 'bout if we improve the system again, perhaps requiring monthly submissions? Boss: Great idea! Anything to get back from boaters what they were beginning to feel was their due. Get to work on it. But the last change was so effective you shouldn't need so many extra clerks this time around.

03-30-2006, 07:53 PM	#15
Senter Cove Guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 593 Thanks: 283 Thanked 427 Times in 139 Posts	2004 Receipts Honored I was very lax and did not submit my 2004 receipts until late Jan. 2006. I was hoping that since the revised law went into effect in mid-2005 that my 2004 receipts would still be honored. Two months later I was beginning to think that the answer was NO because I hadn't heard anything. Then yesterday the check arrived. But that will probably be the last time for me because I don't use enough gas in a quarter to make the cutoff. __________________ Lake Winni - The only place I want to be during the summer.