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Interesting Real Estate Increases
The following was taken from information posted by Frank Roche and shows the substantial increases in activity and prices in our area between 2019 and 2020.
Alton had 133 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $340,000, a 19.29% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 14 days on the market. In 2019 there were 126 sales with a median sales price of $285,000 and a median of 32 days on the market. Center Harbor had 28 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $452,500, a 33.48% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 7 days on the market. In 2019 there were 23 sales with a median sales price of $339,000 and a median of 43 days on the market. Gilford had 239 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $340,000, a 24.31% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 14 days on the market. In 2019 there were 238 sales with a median sales price of $273,500 and a median of 23 days on the market. Laconia had 472 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $250,000, a 16.27% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 16 days on the market. In 2019 there were 415 sales with a median sales price of $215,000 and a median of 24 days on the market. Meredith had 173 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $460,000, a 25.68% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 13 days on the market. In 2019 there were 163 sales with a median sales price of $366,000 and a median of 28 days on the market. Moultonborough had 159 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $385,000, a 4.05% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 15 days on the market. In 2019 there were 146 sales with a median sales price of $370,000 and a median of 48 days on the market. Tilton had 86 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $247,000, a 31.38% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 17 days on the market. In 2019 there were 60 sales with a median sales price of $188,000 and a median of 21 days on the market. Tuftonboro had 93 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $420,000, a 15.06% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 21 days on the market. In 2019 there were 66 sales with a median sales price of $365,000 and a median of 42 days on the market. Wolfeboro had 152 sales in 2020 with a median sales price of $375,000, a 13.63% increase over the same period in 2019, and a median of 24 days on the market. In 2019 there were 165 sales with a median sales price of $330,000 and a median of 33 days on the market. |
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Thanks , Tilton BB, for a snapshot of market activity , which has been nuts this past year...could almost make me regret retiring...not really...too many headaches schlepping people all over the place. My husband recently checked and could find only one waterfront property under a million in Moultonboro. Lots of money around, and people are eliminating contingencies from their contracts in order to be more attractive to sellers...pretty risky stuff. Anyhow, it will be interesting to see how long this boom lasts.
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People that were living pay check to pay check are struggling more than ever. It's unfortunate that even though essential workers have kept their jobs through all this they are the ones that are stressed the most, maybe not financially but emotionally. It's been a boon for the "haves" and a bust for the "have nots". |
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Some have seen their business skyrocket while others have tanked. I wouldn't put all small business owners in the "have" basket. Many small business owners were never making tons of money even before the pandemic. They were just making a healthy living. It's the freedom of being your own boss that drives many small business owners. Notice I said "had a lot of money", "not made a lot of money". I had an uncle that always said, "it's not how much money you make, it's what you do with it after you make it". |
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If you don't think the "haves" as you put it were not hit hard when they lost businesses and took massive losses in investments it shows a complete and utter lack of intelligence. |
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As for my "lack of intelligence" your showing yours with that degrading statement, but not unexpected from you. |
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Betcha it has nothing to do with a bigger pay check and everything to do with the fact they have investments that have increased in value. That wealth generated was not a guarantee, there was risk involved and there was volatility along the way. For those that were in and stuck with it all reaped the benefits. To all that did - congrats! To all those that didn't, to bad so sad. |
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Ironically, to Maxum's argument, this additional wealth from the stock market has required zero brains or effort--it only requires that you had money in 2009 (through some earlier combination of brains, work, luck). |
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I just have compassion for the ones that don't have that ability. Not all the "have nots" are lazy just as not all the "haves" earned their money through hard work. |
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Investments in the stock market can equal returns and rewards. It can also lead to losses. The same argument can be said for real estate.
I think the obvious difference is that people have to live in Real Estate, but they don't have to invest in the stock market. Are folks at fault for not investing in real estate or the stock market? No, but they also don't get to enjoy the potential upside returns, or suffer the downside losses. Is there a right or wrong answer here? Not really, but planning for the future is likely a better route to take than living from pay check to pay check. Some people can afford to do so, others can not. Let's hope that everyone has a crystal ball and makes decisions which work for them. |
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lets see what happens in Georgia this week this will determine the momentum of the stock market. Still wondering what happened in November? if so many made alot of money in 2020 why change and go Democrat. beyond me???????????
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On the contrary you can live like a rock star, leverage every bit of credit you have to do it and let somebody else reap the long term benefit while you live pay check to pay check floating all that debt with little to show for it at the end of the day. It's a simple choice or maybe better put philosophy. |
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What about people that don't have money in the market, aren't they American voters too?
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Good points, Joey.
But I'm looking at your restaurant owner who "did well" and saved for retirement. Then the government says you can only serve 6 tables. You need 12 to break even and if you can fill 24, you'll make some money. When you cash in some investment to stay afloat or to buy outdoor serving equipment, you (add insult to injury) get nicked for taxes on the capital gain. What's the work around here? To me, these folks need more help than "forgiving" college loans. I remember when people "worked their way" through college or other school, no loans. |
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For 2019 , tuition was $58, 0000+ and R&B was $13, 000+, total cost in excess of $71k! Yikes Dave
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But isn't it all really relative? Average salary in 1965 was 4-6 thousand a year. Tuition according to you up was $8000. Cost is much higher now but so is average salary.
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How times have changed....in 1962, our combined income as new graduates was $10,000, and we were able to save all of mine, some of his, and were able to buy our first house a year later....$24,500 bought a charming stone Tudor on 1.5 acres...only 2 bedrooms..1 bath (no tub), with detached 3 car garage in Media, PA. Life was good then...much simpler....many wonderful memories of that era. P.S. I forgot...it had 2 fireplaces....oooozed charm.
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$8k seems incredibly high for college in 1964.
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Bit of apples and oranges. State schools were nowhere near $8,000 then. The state school I attended - in 1984 - was under $500/year for tuition.
The thing that caught us by surprise when it was my son's turn was how the private schools' sticker prices (around $60,000) were way above what they actually offered: they threw quite a bit of money at my son to make it more attractive. Someone fact check, but I've heard the lowest amount of debt per student is from the Ivy League schools. Again, their sticker price is easily $60,000, but once they admit, they put out a good deal of financial assistance (grants not loans) to their students. Now, about those hefty real estate prices. Still goes back to supply and demand, which are both real and perceived. Probably a good bet it can't go up forever (or the demand would fall off). But, they're not building any more land on the Lake. |
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At the time, if it wasn’t the most expensive college in the United States it was the second most expensive. And we were going through the worst financial time of our life. She had mostly all scholarships and grants as well as Pell Grants and just a couple of subsidized loans that had to be paid back. She chose to go on to grad school and that is where she acquired most of her student loan debt. She then had $52,000 after graduate school. |
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Real estate and stocks have had a good run but the future is Bitcoin!
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I do not have hard data on debt by school, but I am not surprised that the Ivies have relatively low debt--many (all?) of them have eliminated debt from their financial aid packages--they give kids grants for the amount "needed". Of course, they can afford it. But they are not blameless--they could be leading an effort to reduce tuitions for all. |
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Far as the context to my comments, this was not just directed at the past year, but as a general statement of fact. If the best anyone can do is live paycheck to paycheck that will never work as a long term strategy. As I learned in the military adapt and overcome. Is it easy, hell no, but failure comes easy to those that are complacent. I have never been condescending to business owners, in fact I admire them for doing something that I have personally 3 times tried and 3 times failed miserably at. Current events have been difficult if not impossible on many business owners, large and small. Many have already lost the battle, others continue to hold on but for how long remains to be seen as the future looks bleak for many. Much of the reasoning behind why this is occurring is political and the American people have spoken as to what they want moving forward. If you as a business owner think it's bad now, just wait it's going to get even more toxic. This will have rippling effects that will not only hurt businesses but also those they can no longer employ. |
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That 1 year/$8K number in the 60’s looked off because tuition has outpaced wage growth for some time now.
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Yearly tuition in 1961 for Cornell (Arts and Sciences) was $1400.
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That and perseverance. I ask people that are older than the “regular” student when they are saying they will be x age when the graduate it y years, how old will they be in y years if they don’t continue with school. OTOH, the cost for college has gotten out of hand. |
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Also, as the past 12 years have made clear--it's kind of silly to think one party or another is a good bet to improve your stock portfolio. We've had essentially a straight line through very different presidents and very different times, even within each presidency. Compounding the puzzle is that Obama's fiscal policies were actually more conservative than Trump's. Buy and hold...and pray! is the best investment strategy |
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2007 was a lot worse. The drop was more significant and it took 5 1/2 just to recover. But the market DID recover and has grown significantly. I DO worry about interest rates, not directly for myself but for the government debt. If rates spike, the raw dollars needed to pay for the interest will go through the roof, exploding the yearly deficit. Certainly it will also be painful for people trying to buy a house or a car. I was caught buying a house in the 80s when the mortgage rates spiked. OUCH! But a few years later they dropped, I refinanced, locked in a low rate, and got my monthly bill dropped a lot. The lesson is, if you can avoid it, put off buying on credit at times of high interest. Interest rates go down as well as up. Also, ditch your highest interest rate loans as soon as you can. The government doesn't have this option and seems to think that infinitely growing debt is not a problem. COVID expenses are making, and will continue to make this problem much worse. |
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How did we go from a simple easy to recap real estate comparative to debating the haves and have nots, pensions, the stock market, personal wealth, the election, college tuition, R&B then and now, small business challenges.....etc?
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1. Contributions are tax free. 2. Investment growth is tax free (many plans offer a multitude of investment options). 3. Withdrawals are tax free provided they're used for qualified medical expenses. Max out your 401K (the portion that's matched by your employer), invest remaining dollars into the HSA, more remaining dollars into a ROTH or traditional IRA, and if you still have dollars remaining, continue funding the unmatchable portion of your 401K. Select well diversified investments that reflect your risk tolerance. Also note that there are annual limits to how much in total you can invest in tax advantaged accounts like this. I seem to recall that number being in the upper $50K area. I know that many folks don't have access to these vehicles but I'm often surprised at how many do, yet fail to take advantage of them. |
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Agree that achieving those dollar amounts take time, the ability to stomach steep up and downs and ABSOLUTE DISCIPLINE. This is what I taught my 21 year old daughter who just graduated from college and began her investment journey in high school. We had a pact that any money she earned or was gifted would be divided three ways - 1/3 education, 1/3 retirement and 1/3 whatever she wanted. She's stuck to it for eight years and has about $7,000 saved for retirement. That doesn't seem like much but with only part time work for most of that time, she's learned the value of saving AND investing. I'm hoping that education will last a lifetime.
There's also a wealth of resources out there to learn about investing so, 40 years from now, I really don't see "I didn't know what to do" as being a very good excuse for having meager retirement savings. As I've always told my daughter - start now and you will easily retire in comfort. |
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One of the things I teach my seniors is to think carefully about how they will pay for school. We go as deep as talking about the overall interest penalties in unsubsidized vs. subsidized loans. For many, including myself, starting life in the red because of school loans is a necessary evil...and one that flushes all this talk about having an extra $100k/$300 mth. down the drain. And this isn't just college anymore—trade schools and certifications have increased in costs, too. And, though unions and businesses will often "pay" for the schooling, the costs are often reflected in lower pay for the initial years. Sent from my SM-G950U using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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Here’s a scenario.
Assume a person has finished a 4-year college education at age 22 and starts a job at $35,000 a year. Assume they were reasonably smart and didn’t go to a ridiculously expensive college and max out their student loans. Assume they probably got some state and federal aid. Assume they worked to offset their expenses. I.E. Assume any school loans are manageable. Assume their salary increases 1% a year. Assume they set aside 10% of their salary for retirement (beyond SS) in a tax sheltered account. (If their salary increases faster, so does their retirement savings.) Assume the investment growth rate is 5% throughout their working and retirement lives. Hint: CDs will not work. You must go into the market. However a 5% average return is a reasonable expectation without excessive risk. At age 68, retirement, they will have a salary of ~$54,000 and retirement savings of ~$650,000. They could take out ~$42,000 a year (75% of their ending salary) for 30 years, till age 98. (Still 5% growth of their investment account balance.) Note, they would also get SS. Yes, inflation would nibble at the value of their retirement payouts but, besides medical expenses, your costs tend to decline as you age. You don’t have a mortgage, you aren’t traveling as much, you aren’t driving as much, etc. They may also get a higher rate of growth. All of this is unknowable. The simple formula is to save 10% of your working earnings and expect 5% growth of your investments. Is it easy? Of course not. It requires a discipline that most people lack. If you are unhappy with your standard of living you have two basic options, work more hours/multiple jobs, OR advance your education and accept higher levels of job responsibility. The latter is best but, frankly, not everyone is capable of that. In addition, the “I want it NOW” mentality is fatally toxic to disciplined savings. My neighbor just got a new car, put an addition on their house, got their yard landscaped, took the family for a European vacation, and my credit card is BURNING A HOLE IN MY POCKET can obliterate a savings plan. If you can earn well above your retirement planning and budget requirements, pay for it in cash, NOT credit. Otherwise, NOT now. I know a lot of people can pick holes in these ideas and but, but, but it into pieces. Some people face special challenges that make it impossible to do do these things. However, if most people did this it would work for them. It’s not rocket science. It’s just hard and disciplined work. AND, even if it didn't work out exactly as planned, you would still be better off than if you did nothing. |
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A couple of simple options to start retirement savings-that $300/month in one of the examples above.
1. Buy used cars and pay cash. My college roommate had an old Buick that burned a lot of oil (400,000 miles) so he got used oil for free every time he filled up. If you don't drive a POS for a year in your younger days you're missing a lot of good stories. You're also buying comprehensive and collision insurance coverage that you don't need. Cars can be unnecessarily expensive. He was also investing in stocks in those days. 2. Join the military. Long list of options here. Trade training, ROTC, GI Bill. After active duty, I stayed in the reserves for. One weekend a month was worth a few hundred dollars, plus pay for summer cruise, and you could buy stuff cheap at the base exchange/commissary. A drill was 4 hours, so it was often possible to go in for an afternoon or evening to do extra planning or evaluation of previous events. Stick it out (with your buddies) for 20 years and get a pension. |
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I treasure the episode of Frasier when Dr. Crane, from Harvard is discussing with his plumber various Mercedes models and other aspects of high living. DOCTOR Crane was the loser.
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It's like baseball cards.. They can't hit on 8 cylinders anymore, nut the image is valuable.
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The beginning of your scenario is exactly where I started out after college. 22 w a 35k a year job, about 18k in college loan debt and a bad car addiction haha! I made some mistakes back then, like buying a new car, building and racing it and spending money I didn't have and put nothing into retirement.
Through some helpful advice from my then boss and a check to my crazy spending from my now wife, I reigned myself in and and actually started planning for the future. Now 37, at the same company I was at when I was 22, I've managed to clean up that mess through advancement, hard work, and more discipline with spending/saving. I haven't been able to kick the car addiction though... Quote:
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I hope you have a chance to own classic GTO some day. Those are money in the bank.
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Anyone remember www.mrchucksautoperformance.com when it was in Ashland, across from the tennis courts. He had two red gto's, like a '66 and a '69, very different styling but both real Pontiac GTO's with a manual transmission.
The last year he was in Ashland, he was running a big sale on high performance snow tires and it never snowed much that winter. Anyway, he took his two red gto's and moved down to Florida which is probably a stronger market than Ashland, the geographic center of NH, and new home to a Dunk'n Donuts-Tesla charging station for seven Tesla cars at the same time. It has to have a manual transmission to be a real Pontiac GTO.
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I agree! Went to look at one a couple years ago for sale, black 66 conv with a late model LS motor and 6sp trans. Awesome car but he wanted 60K. A little too rich for my blood.
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I never had the urge to own a Mercedes at any price. I'm not a fan of German cars.
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I stick with the Japanese cars; Honda, Toyota, Subaru, etc. Just drive them and change the oil. Add gas once in a while.
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I guess we all had cars we wanted in HS, and if we had access, they would be worth a lot of money today. My fraternity brother had a GTO convertible. He joined the Navy and became a pilot. Last reunion he was a four stripe Captain and a pilot with 600 traps. Join the Navy and pick your thrills. I rode an ejection seat once--hot cars are fun, but there is no place like the US Navy for real thrill rides.
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I am in the process of building this at home. One day I'll get a nice 66 to park next to my 06 in there...
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