Snowmobile in the drink at Alton Bay?

riverat · 01-16-2009, 02:20 PM

If you checkout the alton Bay Cam and look in front of the town docks it looks like they are trying to fish out a snowmobile.
http://www.spencerhughes.com/altoncam/?justshowme=true

bilproject · 01-16-2009, 03:25 PM

Do not know if they are trying to fish out a snowmobile or what. If the 5 idiots keep getting that close to the edge my bet is one or all go in when the ice breaks. They've been at it for 2 hours now.

Mee-n-Mac · 01-16-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bilproject

Do not know if they are trying to fish out a snowmobile or what. If the 5 idiots keep getting that close to the edge my bet is one or all go in when the ice breaks. They've been at it for 2 hours now.

Well they seemed to have accomplished their task. No sign of them now. Well ..... that's not a glove floating over there .... is it ?

ps - my guess .... some of "Jimmy's" cousins !

RI Swamp Yankee · 01-17-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

....ps - my guess .... some of "Jimmy's" cousins !

Were they Arctic Cats?
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RI Swamp Yankee · 01-18-2009, 11:56 AM

Also .... could have been Bob looking at a waterfront house.

hazelnut · 01-18-2009, 05:43 PM

... here we go again.....

brk-lnt · 01-18-2009, 07:00 PM

I'm anglin' to enjoy this thread...

Diver1111 · 01-18-2009, 10:26 PM

The recent post re: the snowmobile reminded me of the Explorer that Mr. Pandelena of Andover MA "lost" and was recovered. While I am not generally inclined to tell anyone how to do their job l have a problem with the man standing in/through the moonroof/sunroof-picture attached.

I also can't say whether or not the picture was taken before or after the cable snapped and it went to the bottom again, leading to salvage effort #2. The diver was called back to hook it up again.

Lousy way to die-probably pinned in the mud upside down with an SUV on top of you in 33 degree water.

As for snowmobiles, I met a diver a few years back who did sled recoveries and told me the State of NH has some regs re: who can recover snowmobiles. They have to be approved by some state agency. Pollution due to fuel is a primary concern. They often use a tripod over a hole cut in the ice and hoist it from there after hooking it up to a lift bag.

BoulderBronco · 01-18-2009, 10:30 PM

So if it was in fact a sled that went in, how did that happen? I mean from all I have heard the ice is thick enough for trucks in the bays and fine for sleds throughout the rest of the lake. So how does a sled fall through? Was he skimming?

jeffk · 01-19-2009, 01:06 AM

There are curtain spots on the lake that almost never freeze over because of currents. Also nearby bubblers or circulators can create water flow that undermines the ice. A neighbor's bubbler did that in front of my house one year and my wife fell in, luckily it was only a couple feet deep but it was quite a shock.

Justenuff · 01-21-2009, 03:48 PM

It was interesting to see how some folks way up north (Minnesota?) have a system for vehicles at the bottom of the lake. They hook up the vehicle to a ramp system that is rotated to horizontal manually.

Of course this only works in shallow water, but still was interesting to see how they floated the vehicle and got it out.

upthesaukee · 01-21-2009, 10:54 PM

It appears the snowmobile was operating "by the docks"...real close to the water's edge...and went in. The first post seems to indicate that it went in by the town docks, but I heard from a town employee that it was over by the swim dock. He didn't think the operator was skimming, just driving too close on bubbler weakened ice.

BoulderBronco · 01-22-2009, 09:51 AM

I tell you some people are just brain dead. Stay away from the edge of the ice and circulators. If there is an inlet, river or creek, stay clear of the current area. Common sense people!

Mee-n-Mac · 01-22-2009, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by upthesaukee

It appears the snowmobile was operating "by the docks"...real close to the water's edge...and went in. The first post seems to indicate that it went in by the town docks, but I heard from a town employee that it was over by the swim dock. He didn't think the operator was skimming, just driving too close on bubbler weakened ice.

So can we take this as confirmation that 1 snowmobile went into (and presumbly is now out of) the drink ? With the mystery of what those guys were doing on the webcam now solved, all that remains is what type of sled was it. I doubt it was an Artic Cat, cats don't like the water. I'm guessing a Polaris. Polari (?) have been known to spend all their time under the sea !

Ropetow · 01-22-2009, 04:07 PM

If it was a Ski-Doo manufactured by Bombardier I'd be afraid of live munitions on the lake bottom!

RI Swamp Yankee · 01-22-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

I'm anglin' to enjoy this thread...

Unless it is a sinker

SIKSUKR · 01-23-2009, 09:20 AM

That's aYamaha ha of a post M&M.

brk-lnt · 01-23-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

Unless it is a sinker

The last thread like this was bobbin' around on the site for a while, perhaps this one is perch'd for the same thing.

Ropetow · 01-23-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

The last thread like this was bobbin' around on the site for a while, perhaps this one is perch'd for the same thing.

Yes, it would be a shame if it floundered.

jeffk · 01-23-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BoulderBronco

I tell you some people are just brain dead. Stay away from the edge of the ice and circulators. If there is an inlet, river or creek, stay clear of the current area. Common sense people!

It seems to me that common sense is becoming less and less common.

People that skirt docks and open water are just bullheads.

Mee-n-Mac · 01-23-2009, 04:42 PM

Reading the last few posts I've got the feeling that something fishy is going on here. Perhaps these guys weren't retrieving an snowmobile (a Yamaha perhaps) that Ventured too close to the edge. Perhaps they were doing something more sinister ...

How many fish were caught on the ice that day ? Were there a surprising few on the hook despite the tip-ups being tripped ? How many fish could a SCUBA diver harvest off of unsuspecting sportsmen while they sat above the ice in their bobhouses ? Was that Senter Cove Guy in the webcam ......

riverat · 01-25-2009, 09:46 AM

My sources tell me that a person with no experience with snomobiles or any knowledge of the area he was riding had talked his friend into letting him take his sled for a ride. A was doing fine until he realized he was heading for open water in front of the town docks and panicked, he chose to bail out and let the sled go into the drink rather than try to manuver away. After hours trying to hooked the sunken vehicle they finally pulled it up and out onto a trailer and off they went. Hopefully someone learned a valueble lesson in all this.

ApS · 01-25-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by riverat

"...a person with no experience with snomobiles or any knowledge of the area he was riding had talked his friend into letting him take his sled for a ride. A was doing fine until he realized he was heading for open water in front of the town docks and he chose to bail out and let the sled go into the drink rather than try to manuver away..."

Glad this has finally been straightened out. This event involved no real danger to people, and is nothing but a fluke.

RI Swamp Yankee · 01-25-2009, 08:56 PM

In that webcam shot John was talking to his friend Ski

Holy mackerel, Ski-Doo you think the ice is safe over there.

trfour · 01-25-2009, 10:22 PM

The ice is plenty safe, just remember not to bring a knife to a gunfight!

Mee-n-Mac · 01-26-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RI Swamp Yankee

In that webcam shot John was talking to his friend Ski

Holy mackerel, Ski-Doo you think the ice is safe over there.

So I guess Ski made quite a bass of himself !

01-16-2009, 02:20 PM	#1
riverat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 722 Thanks: 337 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	Snowmobile in the drink at Alton Bay? If you checkout the alton Bay Cam and look in front of the town docks it looks like they are trying to fish out a snowmobile. http://www.spencerhughes.com/altoncam/?justshowme=true __________________ Waking up in the morning is the greatest, everything after that is a bonus

01-18-2009, 11:56 AM	#5
RI Swamp Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Kingstown RI Posts: 688 Thanks: 143 Thanked 83 Times in 55 Posts	Also .... could have been Bob looking at a waterfront house. __________________ Gene ~ aka "another RI Swamp Yankee"

01-18-2009, 05:43 PM	#6
hazelnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,348 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 508 Thanked 462 Times in 162 Posts	uh ohhh ... here we go again.....

01-18-2009, 07:00 PM	#7
brk-lnt Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: South Down Shores Posts: 1,939 Thanks: 535 Thanked 568 Times in 334 Posts	I'm anglin' to enjoy this thread... __________________ [insert witty phrase here]

01-18-2009, 10:26 PM	#8
Diver1111 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Exeter NH Posts: 597 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,027 Times in 224 Posts	Snowmobiles etc. The recent post re: the snowmobile reminded me of the Explorer that Mr. Pandelena of Andover MA "lost" and was recovered. While I am not generally inclined to tell anyone how to do their job l have a problem with the man standing in/through the moonroof/sunroof-picture attached. I also can't say whether or not the picture was taken before or after the cable snapped and it went to the bottom again, leading to salvage effort #2. The diver was called back to hook it up again. Lousy way to die-probably pinned in the mud upside down with an SUV on top of you in 33 degree water. As for snowmobiles, I met a diver a few years back who did sled recoveries and told me the State of NH has some regs re: who can recover snowmobiles. They have to be approved by some state agency. Pollution due to fuel is a primary concern. They often use a tripod over a hole cut in the ice and hoist it from there after hooking it up to a lift bag. Attached Images

01-16-2009, 03:25 PM	#2
bilproject Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bear Island/Fort Myers, Fla Posts: 229 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1 Thanked 59 Times in 41 Posts	Snowmobile in Alton Bay? People to follow soon? Do not know if they are trying to fish out a snowmobile or what. If the 5 idiots keep getting that close to the edge my bet is one or all go in when the ice breaks. They've been at it for 2 hours now.

01-18-2009, 10:30 PM	#9
BoulderBronco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	So if it was in fact a sled that went in, how did that happen? I mean from all I have heard the ice is thick enough for trucks in the bays and fine for sleds throughout the rest of the lake. So how does a sled fall through? Was he skimming?

01-19-2009, 01:06 AM	#10
jeffk Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Center Harbor Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 203 Thanked 424 Times in 242 Posts	There are curtain spots on the lake that almost never freeze over because of currents. Also nearby bubblers or circulators can create water flow that undermines the ice. A neighbor's bubbler did that in front of my house one year and my wife fell in, luckily it was only a couple feet deep but it was quite a shock.

01-21-2009, 03:48 PM	#11
Justenuff Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Wilmington, North Carolina Posts: 74 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	"Dirty Jobs" Recovery Show It was interesting to see how some folks way up north (Minnesota?) have a system for vehicles at the bottom of the lake. They hook up the vehicle to a ramp system that is rotated to horizontal manually. Of course this only works in shallow water, but still was interesting to see how they floated the vehicle and got it out.

01-21-2009, 10:54 PM	#12
upthesaukee Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Alton Bay Posts: 5,559 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 2,411 Thanked 1,922 Times in 1,064 Posts	By the docks It appears the snowmobile was operating "by the docks"...real close to the water's edge...and went in. The first post seems to indicate that it went in by the town docks, but I heard from a town employee that it was over by the swim dock. He didn't think the operator was skimming, just driving too close on bubbler weakened ice. __________________ I Live Here... I am always UPTHESAUKEE !!!!

01-22-2009, 09:51 AM	#13
BoulderBronco Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 121 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	I tell you some people are just brain dead. Stay away from the edge of the ice and circulators. If there is an inlet, river or creek, stay clear of the current area. Common sense people!

01-22-2009, 04:07 PM	#15
Ropetow Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester, NH / Bartlett, NH Posts: 322 Thanks: 228 Thanked 33 Times in 13 Posts	If it was a Ski-Doo manufactured by Bombardier I'd be afraid of live munitions on the lake bottom!

01-23-2009, 09:20 AM	#17
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	You guys are funny That's aYamaha ha of a post M&M. __________________ SIKSUKR

01-23-2009, 04:42 PM	#21
Mee-n-Mac Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,943 Thanks: 23 Thanked 111 Times in 51 Posts	Something fishy here Reading the last few posts I've got the feeling that something fishy is going on here. Perhaps these guys weren't retrieving an snowmobile (a Yamaha perhaps) that Ventured too close to the edge. Perhaps they were doing something more sinister ... How many fish were caught on the ice that day ? Were there a surprising few on the hook despite the tip-ups being tripped ? How many fish could a SCUBA diver harvest off of unsuspecting sportsmen while they sat above the ice in their bobhouses ? Was that Senter Cove Guy in the webcam ...... __________________ Mee'n'Mac "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by simple stupidity or ignorance. The latter are a lot more common than the former." - RAH

01-25-2009, 09:46 AM	#22
riverat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alton, NH Posts: 722 Thanks: 337 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	My sources tell me that a person with no experience with snomobiles or any knowledge of the area he was riding had talked his friend into letting him take his sled for a ride. A was doing fine until he realized he was heading for open water in front of the town docks and panicked, he chose to bail out and let the sled go into the drink rather than try to manuver away. After hours trying to hooked the sunken vehicle they finally pulled it up and out onto a trailer and off they went. Hopefully someone learned a valueble lesson in all this. __________________ Waking up in the morning is the greatest, everything after that is a bonus

01-25-2009, 08:56 PM	#24
RI Swamp Yankee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: North Kingstown RI Posts: 688 Thanks: 143 Thanked 83 Times in 55 Posts	In that webcam shot John was talking to his friend Ski Holy mackerel, Ski-Doo you think the ice is safe over there. __________________ Gene ~ aka "another RI Swamp Yankee"

01-25-2009, 10:22 PM	#25
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,069 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	Rsy.... The ice is plenty safe, just remember not to bring a knife to a gunfight! __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html