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Summer Camps and Speed Limits
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Who described the children at these camps as being "underprivileged inner city campers"? Did I miss that, or did you make it up. And who posted about camp children being "run down by big bad GFBL boat's"? Did I miss that as well, or did you make it up. I have said that camps have had to keep their boats in at times. And that the New Hampshire Camp Directors Association supports HB847. However if we are talking about the safety of a child in a kayak, I don't think the financial situation of the child's parents makes any difference at all. And it is rather telling of your motives that you to bring it up. |
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BI, I understand your point exactly! When a specific group of people are targeted and it's not based on fact just opinions it can be difficult to swallow. You have my sympathy! :) |
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Does this mean you made up that story about underprivileged children at camps and attributed it to speed limit supporters? Then when asked for details you want to change the subject? Please don't misdirect. What speed limit supporters have been talking about underprivileged inner-city children at Winnipesaukee camps? We both know that never happened. So why don't you just say "my mistake" and move on. |
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Just like we both know the accident rates for GFBL boats (or any boat for that matter) doesn't support a speed limit on Lake Winnipesaukee. :) |
Ok Time Out!!!!
How on earth did a thread that started out as a taxation question for non profit camps around the lake turn into YET ANOTHER debate on the speed limit issue? I went back through this thread - and nobody posted anything about lil campers being run down by GFBL's - so why toss out that grenade into this already controversial subject. Not too mention Kona you ASKED BI's opinion and now you are thrashing him? Bipolar or what?!?
Non-profit taxation is highly charged without coupling it with the speed limit law! YIKES! Talk about pushing agendas - we all do it I guess, but some are just more subtle about it I suppose!:rolleye2: And just because you put a cute little widget next to your slam doesn't make it a nice slam....:) |
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Yes I guess we all push our own agendas and I'm certainly guilty. The back story is I started this thread in the SPEED LIMIT and it was moved here by the webmaster which was fine, but my original intent was to link the camps on BI to the speed limit issue. Several on here have made that point that the camps are fearful of the fast boats and it affects their ability to operate their camp effectively. I'm saying I don't believe a speed limit will solve that issue. How is that for linking the two posts. I do LOVE subtle innuendos and to be honest LOVE when people get it! I have always and will always sign my posts with a cute little :), it just seems appropriate to me. We're not talking about world hunger or cancer so a little levity by way of a :) always seems appropriate. I don't think I'm bi-polar, or maybe I am, no definetely not, no for sure I am, well perhaps no, yup I am. :) Wildwood Fam chill out and smell the beach roses. I have them growing like crazy all over my yard. :) |
So the entire thread is a troll.
What possible difference does it make to a speed limit if the camps pay taxes? Do untaxed camps have less right to support a speed limit they think will make their children safer? BI really is bipolar! :laugh: |
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Camps have kept their small boats off of the lake during weekends and other high traffic days. That is a FACT you can readily confirm if you wish. And Parrothead has confirmed it as well.
Woodsy and others has stated that a speed limit will reduce the number of high performance boats on the lake. That is a PREDICTION. Less boats and less speed may allow the camps to increase their small boat usage of the lake. That is a HOPE. I am bipolar. I have skied to both poles. |
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When the time comes that a lake needs to have restrictions because of crowding or pollution, the obvious answer is to start with the biggest boats. In my opinion we are at that point now. The handwriting is on the wall. Everything is going toward more environmentally friendly. Nothing is moving in the other direction. The future of boating on all lakes will be low power, low impact and low pollution. The days of big cruisers and performance boats on lakes are numbered. The only question is how long will it take. |
BI...take a look out your window, Lake Winnipesaukee is huge. The lake is "crowded" approximetely 8 or 9 weeks out of the entire year. Of those weeks perhaps 2-3 days are "crowded". Looking out at the lake and saying it's crowded is entirely subjective also. What I think is crowded may not be what others think. Pollution in and around Lake Winnipesaukee comes in many forms, boats of course being one of them. With the relatively low # of boating weeks available I'd say that boat pollution is low on the pollution chain. You chose to live on a very busy "intersection" on the lake, your choice. Your ideal image of small boats, kayaks and canoes putting around Lake Winnipesaukee is simply that, your image. What gives you the right to tell others what their image of Lake Winnipesuakee should be. You use the speed limit issue as a smokescreen to rid the lakes of what you consider undesirable boats. Again I ask you what gives you the right to tell me what i'm driving is unacceptable. The day may or may not come where we have a horsepower limit. It's not a given as you seem to think. You say when this day comes it makes sense to start with the bigger boats. I say if this day comes we don't discriminate against big boats but add small boats into the equation as well, it's only fair. For every big boat we ban we also ban 5 small boats. Like I said earlier, it's only fair. :)
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I have the right to my opinion no matter how misguided you may think it is. I also have the right to support, or not support, any legislation I wish. I have not used a smokescreen. I have been up front all along that I think high speed and high horsepower boats do not belong on Winnipesaukee. I also believe you have every right to your opinion. |
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BI has not been "upfront" as he claims.He is using the safety issue to hide his real agenda which he accidentally revealed in a previous post.And that is to rid the lake of boats that he and his ilk do not approve of such as performance,cruisers and probably bass boats.Move to Squam,BI,you'll be happier there.
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I'll take Squam Lake for $500, Alex
Ditto SAMIAM. I always like when someone posts my thoughts, verbatim.
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Or at best a bad mistake. If a mistake perhaps you should go back and read a few old posts before you make that kind of accusation. BI has been posting the EXACT SAME thing about his objectives since day one. You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is not the time to start re-writing history because you are upset you lost. |
Originally Posted by Bear Islander
Thank you so much! You have confirmed my central argument for speed limits. I have been claiming for years that when a speed limit passes, people will leave the lake. Less boats mens less congestion, pollution, noise etc. I pity the few large lakes left around that have no restrictions, they are due for an influx of performance boaters. Hey Islander , you better read your buddys own recent words. (post # 11 of the drivers license thread) |
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The question here is if BI has been hiding that he wants GFBL and cruisers off of the lake. Your post is apples and oranges. There are dozens of examples where BI has stated his feeling on these boats. I would give some examples but there are so many I think you can find them for yourself. I am surprised that some of the supposedly fair minded members of the opposition have not spoken up in his defense. Perhaps they are not as fair minded as they make believe. |
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HB847 will do NOTHING to address the problem of violation of the Safe Passage rule...period. As I stated when I first got into this debate years ago I don't have a horse in this race, neither of my boats will be effected. However I believe that because of HB847 NHMP boats and crews will be redeployed leaving a hole in the current number of safety patrols...those are the patrols that try to keep camp children, underpriviledged or not, safe. Feel safe yet? I don't! |
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Happy 4th;) |
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I have noticed a considerable presence of MP in the vicinity of Camp Lawrence (I look across at it) this season. I am sure the multiple calls that I put in asking for them to consider making the tip of Mark a NWZ probably helped. Much more than ever before. Looking out the window now a RIB is going by, and last night at this time I crossed paths with one out front as well as I was arriving home.
Today, the camp boat was towing skiers all day long and the canoes were traveling the shoreline as they always do, including weekends. No lack of boat travel for them during the week, and I see them doing the same activities on the weekend, just not skiing mid-day. Simply too much traffic, not a speed issue. It gets downright rough out front on the weekends from all the wakes. Too rough to ski or wakeboard. |
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