Permit by notification for existing seasonal dock

Belkin · 04-23-2007, 08:27 PM

Last year, I purchased a cottage that had a 50 foot by 4 foot seasonal dock. At the end of the year I removed the dock. Am I required to do a permit by notification to put the dock back in the water? Or is it grandfathered since the previous owner had the dock in the water for many years?

Belkin

ITD · 04-23-2007, 08:52 PM

Just put it in, should be covered by the original permit for the dock.

RLW · 04-24-2007, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ITD

Just put it in, should be covered by the original permit for the dock.

Question one should ask, was the old one built with a permit. (This can be checked out) If not then you need to go through the process as there isn't such a thing as being grandfathered with docks. Be careful as someone can turn you in during the building process. (I know personally)

LIforrelaxin · 04-24-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RLW

Be careful as someone can turn you in during the building process. (I know personally)

RLW interesting point... now personally I would not turn my neighbors in, however there has been a lot of development in my area of the lake. This of course got me to thinking last summer, about what DES does when someone puts a seasonal dock in with out a permit? If you don't mind as it sounds like you made the mistake, or know someone that did. What kind of penalties where assesed.

Thanks

lakershaker · 04-24-2007, 08:03 AM

If it is a seasonal dock, then you are required to remove it each year. Putting the seasonal dock back in isn't the same as building one, and doesn't require a permit. I'd note however, that a NEW seasonal dock can not be longer than 40' nor wider than 6'. Here is the wetlands bureau checklist

Good luck!

codeman671 · 04-24-2007, 08:19 AM

I am assuming this is on Winni? If it is on a smaller body of water the rules may change. Less than 1000 acres of water require a smaller dock, as per the link posted above by lakershaker.

I would check with the registry of deeds to see if a permit had been filed/recorded prior to, due to the 50' length. If you have limited water depth you can apply for a longer length. A boat slip as per the state is 25' of dock from the point the water depth is 3' deep at full lake. If you have 25' or more of dock length to the end at the above water depth you would not qualify for the 50' length. On a permanent dock they stick tight to this, and are concerned with depths when permitting. Been there, done that.

Onshore · 04-24-2007, 11:15 AM

It is possible for a seasonal pier to be "grandfathered". Seasonal docking structures that were installed prior to September 4, 1978 are considered to be grandfathered provided they have been maintained in the same size, location, and shape since that date are were not removed for a period of 5 years or more. If you don't believe the structures meets this criteria then looking for a permit with the registry of deeds as codeman suggested. Unfortunately not everyone is diligent about recording their permit when they get it. If you don't find anything at the registry you can also check Wetlands Bureau records directly by going to the wetlands website at www.des.state.nh.us/wetlands and clicking on the "permit query" button. Good luck

ossipeeboater · 05-04-2007, 03:24 PM

for most a recorded permint isn't required, if using a PBN it's just a notification you put in a dock that meets the requirement. You can check on the DES site to see if there been a recent permit but it it's an old property it's probably not there.

04-23-2007, 08:27 PM	#1
Belkin Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 33 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Permit by notification for existing seasonal dock Last year, I purchased a cottage that had a 50 foot by 4 foot seasonal dock. At the end of the year I removed the dock. Am I required to do a permit by notification to put the dock back in the water? Or is it grandfathered since the previous owner had the dock in the water for many years? Belkin

04-24-2007, 08:03 AM	#5
lakershaker Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rattlesnake Isl. - Simsbury, CT Posts: 271 Thanks: 90 Thanked 44 Times in 26 Posts	Seasonal dock If it is a seasonal dock, then you are required to remove it each year. Putting the seasonal dock back in isn't the same as building one, and doesn't require a permit. I'd note however, that a NEW seasonal dock can not be longer than 40' nor wider than 6'. Here is the wetlands bureau checklist Good luck!

04-23-2007, 08:52 PM	#2
ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,860 Thanks: 461 Thanked 666 Times in 366 Posts	Just put it in, should be covered by the original permit for the dock.

04-24-2007, 08:19 AM	#6
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,360 Thanks: 210 Thanked 764 Times in 448 Posts	I am assuming this is on Winni? If it is on a smaller body of water the rules may change. Less than 1000 acres of water require a smaller dock, as per the link posted above by lakershaker. I would check with the registry of deeds to see if a permit had been filed/recorded prior to, due to the 50' length. If you have limited water depth you can apply for a longer length. A boat slip as per the state is 25' of dock from the point the water depth is 3' deep at full lake. If you have 25' or more of dock length to the end at the above water depth you would not qualify for the 50' length. On a permanent dock they stick tight to this, and are concerned with depths when permitting. Been there, done that.

04-24-2007, 11:15 AM	#7
Onshore Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 500 Thanks: 12 Thanked 400 Times in 143 Posts	It is possible for a seasonal pier to be "grandfathered". Seasonal docking structures that were installed prior to September 4, 1978 are considered to be grandfathered provided they have been maintained in the same size, location, and shape since that date are were not removed for a period of 5 years or more. If you don't believe the structures meets this criteria then looking for a permit with the registry of deeds as codeman suggested. Unfortunately not everyone is diligent about recording their permit when they get it. If you don't find anything at the registry you can also check Wetlands Bureau records directly by going to the wetlands website at www.des.state.nh.us/wetlands and clicking on the "permit query" button. Good luck

05-04-2007, 03:24 PM	#8
ossipeeboater Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 157 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	for most a recorded permint isn't required, if using a PBN it's just a notification you put in a dock that meets the requirement. You can check on the DES site to see if there been a recent permit but it it's an old property it's probably not there.