Go Back   Winnipesaukee Forum > Winnipesaukee Forums > Boating > Boat Repairs & Maintenance
Home Forums Gallery Blogs YouTube Channel Classifieds Links Calendar Register FAQDonate Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-26-2020, 05:11 PM   #1
Ms Molly McKever
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 76
Thanks: 31
Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts
Default Antifreeze

What is the problem with the antifreeze in the lakes region ? Any one know.
Ms Molly McKever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2020, 05:43 PM   #2
Formula260SS
Senior Member
 
Formula260SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: NH
Posts: 360
Thanks: 11
Thanked 69 Times in 44 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms Molly McKever View Post
What is the problem with the antifreeze in the lakes region ? Any one know.
I heard one Marina tested it and it froze just below 30 degrees. they are recalling it all
Formula260SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2020, 08:25 AM   #3
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 4,977
Thanks: 1,873
Thanked 3,972 Times in 1,531 Posts
Default Brand?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula260SS View Post
I heard one Marina tested it and it froze just below 30 degrees. they are recalling it all
Does anyone know the brand that is being recalled?...

Dan
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ishoot308 For This Useful Post:
Top-Water (09-28-2020)
Old 09-27-2020, 05:57 PM   #4
bigdog
Senior Member
 
bigdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Central MA-Gilford
Posts: 1,059
Thanks: 147
Thanked 69 Times in 58 Posts
Default AntiFreeze recall ?

So what was the brand that is being recalled?...

Does this apply to the RV 'pink' type antifreeze ? Need to know for winterizing home for the winter.

Thanks !

Last edited by bigdog; 09-27-2020 at 05:58 PM. Reason: spelling
bigdog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2020, 07:54 PM   #5
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 4,977
Thanks: 1,873
Thanked 3,972 Times in 1,531 Posts
Default Fake News??

I have scoured the internet looking for this so called recall and can find nothing...Iím thinking it was just a rumor that someone started then it blew up out of proportion on social media.

Dan
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ishoot308 For This Useful Post:
Top-Water (09-28-2020)
Sponsored Links
Old 09-27-2020, 08:29 PM   #6
Formula260SS
Senior Member
 
Formula260SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: NH
Posts: 360
Thanks: 11
Thanked 69 Times in 44 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ishoot308 View Post
I have scoured the internet looking for this so called recall and can find nothing...Iím thinking it was just a rumor that someone started then it blew up out of proportion on social media.

Dan
it was a side comment from a boat shop I'll leave nameless. I have no other knowledge on the subject.

are people having problems finding it? I just assumed it to be the issue when the question was asked.
Formula260SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2020, 08:32 PM   #7
ishoot308
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island
Posts: 4,977
Thanks: 1,873
Thanked 3,972 Times in 1,531 Posts
Default No Issue

Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula260SS View Post
it was a side comment from a boat shop I'll leave nameless. I have no other knowledge on the subject.

are people having problems finding it? I just assumed it to be the issue when the question was asked.
I have had no problems finding it. Bought a case through Amazon a while back no issue and itís still readily available.

Dan
__________________
It's Always Sunny On Welch Island!!
ishoot308 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-27-2020, 08:46 PM   #8
tummyman
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Moultonborough
Posts: 471
Thanks: 88
Thanked 390 Times in 118 Posts
Default

Plenty at EM Heaths Hardware in Center Harbor last week....2 for $6.
tummyman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2020, 07:54 AM   #9
Dave R
Senior Member
 
Dave R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,867
Thanks: 236
Thanked 671 Times in 400 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula260SS View Post
I heard one Marina tested it and it froze just below 30 degrees. they are recalling it all

It's normal for it to freeze, the difference between RV/Marine "anti-freeze" and water is that the "anti-freeze" does not expand when it freezes, thus it does not do any damage.
Dave R is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2020, 10:46 AM   #10
DickR
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Moultonborough
Posts: 572
Thanks: 3
Thanked 177 Times in 111 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave R View Post
It's normal for it to freeze, the difference between RV/Marine "anti-freeze" and water is that the "anti-freeze" does not expand when it freezes, thus it does not do any damage.
That is not really so. Addition of a salt or solvent to water depresses the freezing point of the mixture, and more stuff added depresses the freezing point further. Similarly, adding some water to another solvent depresses its freezing point. A plot of freezing point of the mixture vs concentration typically shows that an abrupt minimum is reached somewhere around 40-60% of the solvent. This point is called the eutectic point.

When a glycol-water mix having less glycol than the eutectic concentration hits its freezing point, some (theoretically) pure water crystallizes out as ice, and the remaining liquid mix becomes more concentrated in the glycol, with a corresponding further decrease in freezing point. This continues all the way down to the eutectic point, where anything left freezes.

This reference shows freezing point vs concentration for propylene glycol ("RV antifreeze") in water: https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/p...col-d_363.html
DickR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-28-2020, 02:08 PM   #11
Ms Molly McKever
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 76
Thanks: 31
Thanked 15 Times in 9 Posts
Default Your Right 260SS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Formula260SS View Post
I heard one Marina tested it and it froze just below 30 degrees. they are recalling it all
The problem is not finding antifreeze, Its finding the bad brand or brands of blue and pink water. What brand do you have, be safe call the maker and ask. Stop at a boat dealer and ask or have it checked.
Ms Molly McKever is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2020, 02:35 PM   #12
Rich
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Derry / Gilford
Posts: 1,155
Thanks: 41
Thanked 314 Times in 212 Posts
Default

I had word from two different marine mechanics in the area that they had to go back and remove/replace the antifreeze in all the boats that they already had winterized because of this issue, and now are behind schedule with customers.

I didn't get the details nor brand or mixture type of the offending antifreeze, but they only said it was recalled.
__________________
Don't listen to me, obviously I don't understand what I'm talking about!
Let's help each other save time and money: WinniGas.com
Rich is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rich For This Useful Post:
GregW11 (09-30-2020)
Old 09-30-2020, 04:02 PM   #13
LIforrelaxin
Senior Member
 
LIforrelaxin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Long Island, not that one, the one on Winnipesaukee
Posts: 2,419
Thanks: 845
Thanked 705 Times in 392 Posts
Default

Folks does anyone have any specifics here, because I just spent time search for information on a Antifreeze recall, and see nothing at all period, in every variation I tried.

With as many RV'ers and boat owners etc. that are currently winterizing their toys, to think that a company could or would keep this confidential, and quiet, is not reality.

In short this sounds like some Marina, or Marina's is pulling peoples leg.

I am not saying it isn't happening, but someone should be able to point to something specific if there really is some recall of RV anti-freeze going on.
__________________
Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....
LIforrelaxin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-30-2020, 04:43 PM   #14
Formula260SS
Senior Member
 
Formula260SS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: NH
Posts: 360
Thanks: 11
Thanked 69 Times in 44 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich View Post
I had word from two different marine mechanics in the area that they had to go back and remove/replace the antifreeze in all the boats that they already had winterized because of this issue, and now are behind schedule with customers.

I didn't get the details nor brand or mixture type of the offending antifreeze, but they only said it was recalled.
That's exactly what I heard
Formula260SS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2020, 09:03 AM   #15
Rich
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Derry / Gilford
Posts: 1,155
Thanks: 41
Thanked 314 Times in 212 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin View Post
Folks does anyone have any specifics here, because I just spent time search for information on a Antifreeze recall, and see nothing at all period, in every variation I tried.

With as many RV'ers and boat owners etc. that are currently winterizing their toys, to think that a company could or would keep this confidential, and quiet, is not reality.

In short this sounds like some Marina, or Marina's is pulling peoples leg.

I am not saying it isn't happening, but someone should be able to point to something specific if there really is some recall of RV anti-freeze going on.
I don't think it is anyone joking around, I heard if from two different sources, and other boaters have reported the same to me. There are now schedule delay because people had to go back and reservice boats that were already winterized and shrink wrapped.

I'd suggest calling local marine shops, perhaps Fays, Supreme Marine, etc. I'm sure that many or most of them were affected.

I don't think the antifreeze company would keep it confidential as they would be liable for many boats being damaged. I don't know any details. I would guess that they were they contacted by their distributors, as I'm sure most purchase antifreeze in bulk at this time of the year.

How is freeze damage covered by your insurance, perhaps you should check your policy to see that it's not excluded if you do it yourself? A frozen engine block would cost a lot more to repair than replacing a few fresh water plastic pipes or fittings on your boat for those that have them.
__________________
Don't listen to me, obviously I don't understand what I'm talking about!
Let's help each other save time and money: WinniGas.com
Rich is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2020, 08:55 AM   #16
LIforrelaxin
Senior Member
 
LIforrelaxin's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Long Island, not that one, the one on Winnipesaukee
Posts: 2,419
Thanks: 845
Thanked 705 Times in 392 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich View Post
I don't think it is anyone joking around, I heard if from two different sources, and other boaters have reported the same to me. There are now schedule delay because people had to go back and reservice boats that were already winterized and shrink wrapped.

I'd suggest calling local marine shops, perhaps Fays, Supreme Marine, etc. I'm sure that many or most of them were affected.

I don't think the antifreeze company would keep it confidential as they would be liable for many boats being damaged. I don't know any details. I would guess that they were they contacted by their distributors, as I'm sure most purchase antifreeze in bulk at this time of the year.

How is freeze damage covered by your insurance, perhaps you should check your policy to see that it's not excluded if you do it yourself? A frozen engine block would cost a lot more to repair than replacing a few fresh water plastic pipes or fittings on your boat for those that have them.
The only thing I have to winterize this year is an outboard, so Personally I am not at all concerned.

I just find it hard to believe that there isn't some very public information about this situation, with everything that is stake across the Northern half of this country.
__________________
Life is about how much time you can spend relaxing... I do it on an island that isn't really an island.....
LIforrelaxin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-02-2020, 10:21 AM   #17
loony
Senior Member
 
loony's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 82
Thanks: 0
Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts
Default

I need to buy some for this winter. I think I'll place a sample in the freeezer. If it becomes slushy it's probably ok. If it freezes solid I'll return it.
loony is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:47 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

This page was generated in 0.28183 seconds