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Old 02-12-2016, 01:39 PM   #1
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Default Vehicle through the ice...

Just heard a tone on the scanner for a vehicle through the ice in the vicinity of Whaleback Is. as seen from Bryant Point. Caller reported two or three people in the water, trying to swim to shore.

Call was for the air boat and other emergency equipment.

Call came in about 5 or 6 minutes ago, and the boat is enroute to the lake.
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Where is that??....
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Whaleback Island is up near the split between Lee's Mill and Green's Basin
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It's the island that is in between the two no wake zones. It separates Balmoral Bay from Lee's mills.
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Always a bit of a slush spot there between the island and main land, if that's the spot it happened. Even on a good ice winter.
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Default Sorry, I had to leave the house after my initial post..

Had to leave before the responders got on scene, and I have looked at WMUR, Union Leader, and WBIN, and see no new info. Guess we will have to wait for the 11 o'clock news or tomorrow for more info.
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http://www.citizen.com/news/2016-02-...onborough.html
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I believe two snowmobilers drown right there a few years ago, late at night. Always thin ice in that area. Hope for the best.
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Your second link is a dead link unfortunately

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Both people in the Suburban are OK. The SUV was still in the water last night. It is a difficult spot to recover a vehicle from.

It is a bad area for ice with the current running from Lee's Mills and the Basin. I recall a pickup bobbing closer to the channel about 8 years back- it sat for a long time until they could safely get it out.

The vehicle owner is a forum member...
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Both people in the Suburban are OK. The SUV was still in the water last night. It is a difficult spot to recover a vehicle from.

It is a bad area for ice with the current running from Lee's Mills and the Basin. I recall a pickup bobbing closer to the channel about 8 years back- it sat for a long time until they could safely get it out.
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The Suburban owner or pickup owner VitaBene?
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Suburban, but he was not in the vehicle- brother and father were.

Yes it was quickly nicknamed the Suburbmarine and we are going to start a pool at Buckey's as to when it will be recovered
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That's great that they got out OK, but with all our chatter about thin/no ice looks like the father and brother should become forum members too.

BTW, sorry you are having such a poor snowmobile season.
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That's great that they got out OK, but with all our chatter about thin/no ice looks like the father and brother should become forum members too.

BTW, sorry you are having such a poor snowmobile season.
Thank you- I have pretty much written this season off! Time to start thinking about boats and motorcycles!

I hear you on the ice- they have lived here there entire lives and likely knew better but...
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Whats a Suburban weight 6k empty? And I get nervous just walking out there.
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This incident involved my brother and father. I would appreciate no more comments about this matter.
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I understand not wanting to see criticism of family, but I'm not sure your request is reasonable on a public forum.

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Now I can see if it was your family involved in the guy in the kayak thread but I have not read any negativity regarding your family at all here, just discussion. You can't call the local news stations and local media to stop writing the news. We are just glad that they are safe!
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We all do boneheaded things, just happy they are ok.
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Maybe just slightly un-called for???
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I seem to recall some years back a lot of humor tossed about when a guy drove his Ford Bronco (a white one, no less) out off of Glendale to see whether the ice was thick enough. It wasn't.

Two guys in a Suburban driving THIS WINTER through an area well known to be unsafe in the best of years and suffering the same experience is a indeed a pretty bonehead thing to do.

We're all glad no one was hurt. And there wouldn't be much to laugh about here if they had been injured or killed. But given that they are fine, it's pretty easy to see the humor in this -- especially given the vehicle involved.

So please, to suggest that we aren't allowed to poke a little fun at this because a member of this forum is related to the lakes region's latest winter aquanauts is beyond silly. Just my opinion.
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Maybe just slightly un-called for???
I don't think so, but whatever.

I remember in my youthful days walking out onto ice I knew was only about 1.5 inches thick. I, along with several friends got about 15 feet from shore when I heard the first crack under me. I scrambled for shore but the ice gave out in about 4 feet of water. My other friends made it but I ended up wading out of chest deep water. It was about 15 degrees that day and we had a 2 mile walk out of the woods. Plus another 3 mile walk home. I made it out of the woods before I had to call mom for a pickup because my pants had frozen solid and I was getting too cold.

Bone head move, we've all made them.
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I seem to recall some years back a lot of humor tossed about when a guy drove his Ford Bronco (a white one, no less) out off of Glendale to see whether the ice was thick enough. It wasn't.

Two guys in a Suburban driving THIS WINTER through an area well known to be unsafe in the best of years and suffering the same experience is a indeed a pretty bonehead thing to do.

We're all glad no one was hurt. And there wouldn't be much to laugh about here if they had been injured or killed. But given that they are fine, it's pretty easy to see the humor in this -- especially given the vehicle involved.

So please, to suggest that we aren't allowed to poke a little fun at this because a member of this forum is related to the lakes region's latest winter aquanauts is beyond silly. Just my opinion.
Agreed. Moreover, to ask that this important story not be discussed is naive to the extreme. EVEN if people were hurt-in fact more so if people were hurt. The forum has a responsibility to at the very least elucidate the facts such as they are so that in the future these witless ideas are hopefully mitigated.
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I don't think so, but whatever. I remember in my youthful days walking out onto ice I knew was only about 1.5 inches thick. I, along with several friends got about 15 feet from shore when I heard the first crack under me. I scrambled for shore but the ice gave out in about 4 feet of water. My other friends made it but I ended up wading out of chest deep water. It was about 15 degrees that day and we had a 2 mile walk out of the woods. Plus another 3 mile walk home. I made it out of the woods before I had to call mom for a pickup because my pants had frozen solid and I was getting too cold. Bone head move, we've all made them.
My respect for thin ice was developed while playing hockey as a teenager in Rhode Island. This ice was about 1" thick, and I'd "fallen through" a dozen times.

Fortunately, the ice covered a flat pasture, and the earth was only another inch below the playing surface.

Later, on Lake Winnipesaukee, I discovered you can have icy water fill your shoes while still 150 feet from shore and ice-eaters!



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So, supposedly because a Suburban is an suv with 4-wheel drive, the insurance company will cover the big expense of removing it from the lake, while a 2-wheel drive Suburban would not be covered. The thinking being that 4-wheel drive vehicles are designed for going off road.


That's what has been mentioned on this forum in the past, but it would be interesting to actually see how a specific claim like this one gets treated?


Something tells me the Progressive claims adjuster who reviews individual claims is a person different from Flo, the Progressive tv lady?
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Insurance does not exclude "oh crap moments," not saying this was the case here but we in the industry tend to say: Insurance does not exclude stupidity. Again not saying these people are stupid by any means.

As past discussion has shown and questions asked (and might not apply to this particular situation in this thread), there is where direct writers like the Progressive's and geico's try to cheapen the price of your policies by restricting coverage (where is wher they say they are saving you money. Whether it is a SUV 4x4 or sedan makes no difference, most regional carriers and carriers written through independent agents, this type of situation will not be excluded.
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Good luck trying to get this covered by insurance. Shame on the guys who decided to drive out there- smarten up next time.
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Good luck trying to get this covered by insurance. Shame on the guys who decided to drive out there- smarten up next time.
I am sorry, but being in the industry, this is a case by case basis, depending on your carrier.

side note: really nice first post
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I would hope to god people would take the 2 minutes to make a phone call to their agent before driving any car onto the ice before you find out you're sol with a toast car. Then again who knows my brain works atleast 50% of the time
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This would really s*** if the insurance company said no and you had 4 more years of payments on it!
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Yes it is out! They probably have it running! Mechanical family.
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I was out there fishing on Saturday and about 4:00 one of my flags went up. When I went to check it, I discovered that the hole was filled with black oil. I checked the other traps we were using most of them were covered with oil. I had to bring the traps home and clean them with dish detergent. I hope the oil is gone before next weekends fishing derby.
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I was out there fishing on Saturday and about 4:00 one of my flags went up. When I went to check it, I discovered that the hole was filled with black oil. I checked the other traps we were using most of them were covered with oil. I had to bring the traps home and clean them with dish detergent. I hope the oil is gone before next weekends fishing derby.
Who pays for the oil/gas clean up? I would be a little ticked off if that affected my water front property. Does insurance cover that type of thing assuming your insurance covers an incident like this or do they only cover the cost of the vehicle and the environmental damage is on the owner?
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yes, if it is a result of a covered type of loss, however your policy will have a specific limit for pollution $5k, $10K, $20k and the like.

if the fluids come out of the vehicle itself yes there is coverage, if you were transporting the fluids, i.e gas can, oil can or container, then there would not be coverage
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Not that I want to see anything go into the lake, and I will probably get flamed for this..

But you guys are talking like a car is the same as the Mount or some sort of major spill!

A typical car or truck only holds 5-8 quarts of "heavy oil" and at most 30-40 gallons of gas assuming a full tank. Both which are pretty sealed up. So while some oil and or gas would leak out, it would be very minimal. Any gas will eventually evaporate and any oil would most likely be dissipated rapidly.

There is very little possibility of damage to the lake...

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I don't want ANY unnecessary oil or chemicals in the lake, especially as the result of a dumb decision.

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Woodsy is correct. Today's automotive systems are pretty tight. Next to nothing will escape the vehicle. NB

PS: Who is Budman..? 13 posts in 10 years.../ Just wondering. Methinks Budman has an agenda. He was never there. It never happened. He doesn't even fish.......NOPE
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Not that I want to see anything go into the lake, and I will probably get flamed for this..

But you guys are talking like a car is the same as the Mount or some sort of major spill!

A typical car or truck only holds 5-8 quarts of "heavy oil" and at most 30-40 gallons of gas assuming a full tank. Both which are pretty sealed up. So while some oil and or gas would leak out, it would be very minimal. Any gas will eventually evaporate and any oil would most likely be dissipated rapidly.

There is very little possibility of damage to the lake...

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Gasoline is highly volatile and evaporates quickly. Oil dissipates and breaks down plus there are microbes that eat it, I doubt it will be a long term issue.
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Gasoline is highly volatile and evaporates quickly. Oil dissipates and breaks down plus there are microbes that eat it, I doubt it will be a long term issue.
You pretty much repeated exactly what "woodsy" said.....
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Woodsy said microbes eat oil? Sorry Woodsy, I missed that.
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Old 02-23-2016, 09:59 AM   #48
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Default Vehicle through ice

I stand corrected. I should have said "what looked like oil". DES was there yesterday and said it was remnants of campfires but it sure looked like oil. In all the years I have fished I've never had my holes fill with anything black. I thought that because we were in the bay where the truck went in it was oil.
NoBozo you're wrong. Because I only have 13 post in 10 years it doesn't mean I have an agenda. I'm glad nobody was hurt. I was there, it did happen, and I do fish. I was just concerned that there might be oil in the lake.
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No worry's Budman. I accept your explanation. You need to post more often. NB
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