Viking Longship

NoBozo · 10-16-2016, 06:03 PM

Went down to Mystic Seaport Museum today to see the Viking Longship, Draken.(Dragon) She will spend the winter at Mystic. She will be covered up soon, so if you want to see her..move fast.

This ship did a tour of the North Sea and then crossed the Atlantic, stopping at Iceland and Greenland on the way. She is 115 feet long..built as she would have been about 1100 AD.

Yea: I know there are no Viking Longships on Winni...

http://www.offcenterharbor.com/flots...rald-harfagre/

8gv · 10-16-2016, 06:19 PM

The video of the ship underway shows some good speed. I suspect my ancesters would be pleased!

The visit to the British Isles with the newly built ship likely generated a different reaction from the shore residents than the visits made centuries ago.

wifi · 10-17-2016, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8gv

The video of the ship underway shows some good speed. I suspect my ancesters would be pleased!

The visit to the British Isles with the newly built ship likely generated a different reaction from the shore residents than the visits made centuries ago.

LOL, mine as well

NoBozo · 10-17-2016, 05:56 PM

The video I linked to leads to quite a few "follow on video's" of the same ship, and others.

Some great sailing.

While I was viewing... (Scrutinizing) the ship in Mystic, I was looking for the rudder. There was no rudder apparent. I finally found it lying on the deck up forward on the port side..

Looking at the follow on videos, it became apparent that under sail, the rudder was a semi fixed item on the Starboard side aft.

Then I remembered something from decades ago....The term "Steer-board" (Vs. Port) came from the position of the rudder on a Longship.

NB

The heyday of the Vikings seems to have been from about 850 AD to about 1066 AD. WHAT happened in 1066..?

Descant · 10-18-2016, 03:53 PM

1066 was the Battle of Hastings, I think. Right. I looked it up October 14, 1066.

NoBozo · 10-18-2016, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Descant

1066 was the Battle of Hastings, I think. Right. I looked it up October 14, 1066.

Question was rhetorical: I did a search as you did. I'm getting overloaded with Info. When you search One item... you get redirected to multiple other places. I need to be a Phd.. History Major.

At this point I will remain interested in the Dragon Harald Fairhair in Mystic. If you are interested in such things, I recommend taking a safari down there as soon as you can to see the ship before they cover it up for the winter. It's docked just north of where the Morgan is usually docked.

NB

PS: This Ship is the largest known Viking Longship to be built...in the world...To date.

Descant · 10-18-2016, 11:10 PM

OK. I thought it was an interesting date coincidence that Hastings was Oct 14, and this posting started on a similar date. Those old guys calendars were not always 100% accurate, and the mail was very slow in 1066.
Nevertheless, the longship info was interesting as were the videos. Thanks for posting.

Starting in 1950, there has always been a "Viking" in our family as a boat name. My paternal grandparents were both from Denmark. We appreciate the seafaring achievements of the Vikings.

8gv · 10-19-2016, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Descant

OK. I thought it was an interesting date coincidence that Hastings was Oct 14, and this posting started on a similar date. Those old guys calendars were not always 100% accurate, and the mail was very slow in 1066.
Nevertheless, the longship info was interesting as were the videos. Thanks for posting.

Starting in 1950, there has always been a "Viking" in our family as a boat name. My paternal grandparents were both from Denmark. We appreciate the seafaring achievements of the Vikings.

We too had a boat named "Viking" in our family. It was one of two boats built by my great uncles in Lanesville MA in the 1930's. Most of the details are now lost to history but one boat was 36' and the other 40'. The other boat was named the "Cora Jane". Both were built at the end of a dead end street that was within 300' of the rocky shore. Due to the rocks, the boats had to be hauled up the hill and a few streets over for their maiden launch into Lane's cove.

The first boat was used for the paid entertainment of my uncle's fellow Boston PD friends. He took them out fishing, picnicking and likely drinking. After the second boat was built and launched to replace the first, WWII began and as one would expect, the entertainment gig ended quickly. The 40' boat was repurposed as a dragger on which my teenaged father served as mate.

My dad had some intersting stories from that experience.

jacka82942 · 10-20-2016, 07:12 AM

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NoBozo · 10-21-2016, 06:26 PM

More good sailing in Dragon Harald Fairhair: .. Whoops.. lost the mast.

NB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTkmG5b-VQ#t=2.239256

EDIT: MORE great sailing in Dragon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMVsNEwvX0

NoBozo · 10-22-2016, 06:31 PM

Some might wonder why I seem to be so passionate about the Sailing in these Long Ship videos. I have been there. Not on the Dragon Ship but in my own boat. Newport to Bermuda in 1979 and 1981. Solo. Fantastic sailing. Exhilarating to say the least. ...Memory's...

NB

NoBozo · 10-27-2016, 06:45 PM

A Longship similar to Dragon, was sailing the Atlantic at 10.5+knots......somewhere around 1000 AD.

The Mayflower, sailed to America 600 years later (1620 AD) at maybe 4.0 knots.

NB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORSpUUy0lQ#t=2.221607

Note: That horizontal capstan (winch) that is used with the wooden "capstan bars", is the Main Halyard winch. It is used to hoist the sail and yard to whatever position (height) on the mast that is required for the wind conditions.

NoBozo · 10-30-2016, 07:39 PM

When the wind picks up, you have to reduce sail. You may have noticed in the videos, the many little "strings" hanging from the sail in horizontal rows. These are "Reef Points". To take a reef, the sail area is shortened by rolling/tucking the sail up and tying it up in rolls with those strings..Reef Points.

At the same time, the yard is lowered to get the sail area down closer to the deck.... Less healing moment..And OFF we go....Arguably, This is the fastest point of sailing...Reefed Down... and Close Hauled with a Good Breeze..

NB

NoBozo · 11-02-2016, 07:41 PM

Sailboats ... are inclined to Tip Over..what with their sails pushing them to do so. SO: Sailboats have to have some kind of Ballast to counteract this tendency.

Modern sailboats have a Weighted Keel hanging down below the boat to counteract this tendency. The Longship has no such keel. It is a shallow draft "skimming dish"..... That's why it is Fast.

When I saw this boat at Mystic Seaport Museum, I noticed that the bilge, directly below the removable deck boards was pretty much filled with beach stones. No weighted Keel under this boat. The weight of the stones (ballast) keep the boat reasonably upright.

NB

More Info... you probably didn't need to know.

NB

NoBozo · 11-04-2016, 05:51 PM

One of the crew members commenting in the last video, mentioned "Spray" on her clothes..not drying.

This is totally true. When sailing offshore, spray comes aboard as droplets..OR Buckets..and lands on your clothes. When sailing in the Gulf Stream for example, (it's warm water) just sailing along at speed generates an effervescence from the sea and it settles on Everything. When the moisture evaporates, you still have salt crystals. They don't go away.

The next time it gets humid, the salt brings back the wetness. The only way to solve this wetness problem is to wash the clothes in Fresh Water. Usually NOT an option at sea.

Sailing on the Lake is different: Spray comes aboard..NO Problem. It's fresh water.. and will dry out shortly with no after effects.

NB

NoBozo · 11-04-2016, 06:18 PM

There are no Cabins or Staterooms below deck on this Longship. Nothing. There is "The Tent" ..at deck level, which may have a few bunks..otherwise the crew (34), lives, eats and sleeps On Deck.

NB

10-16-2016, 06:03 PM	#1
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Viking Longship Went down to Mystic Seaport Museum today to see the Viking Longship, Draken.(Dragon) She will spend the winter at Mystic. She will be covered up soon, so if you want to see her..move fast. This ship did a tour of the North Sea and then crossed the Atlantic, stopping at Iceland and Greenland on the way. She is 115 feet long..built as she would have been about 1100 AD. Yea: I know there are no Viking Longships on Winni... http://www.offcenterharbor.com/flots...rald-harfagre/ Last edited by NoBozo; 10-16-2016 at 06:37 PM.

10-17-2016, 05:56 PM	#4
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	The video I linked to leads to quite a few "follow on video's" of the same ship, and others. Some great sailing. While I was viewing... (Scrutinizing) the ship in Mystic, I was looking for the rudder. There was no rudder apparent. I finally found it lying on the deck up forward on the port side.. Looking at the follow on videos, it became apparent that under sail, the rudder was a semi fixed item on the Starboard side aft. Then I remembered something from decades ago....The term "Steer-board" (Vs. Port) came from the position of the rudder on a Longship. NB The heyday of the Vikings seems to have been from about 850 AD to about 1066 AD. WHAT happened in 1066..? Last edited by NoBozo; 10-18-2016 at 09:59 AM. Reason: Sp

10-20-2016, 07:12 AM	#9
jacka82942 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 67 Thanks: 1 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	been on them twice- rhine xmas markets and bordeaux. great boats and itineraries. prices not bad. always have deals

10-21-2016, 06:26 PM	#10
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	More good sailing in Dragon Harald Fairhair: .. Whoops.. lost the mast. NB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bTkmG5b-VQ#t=2.239256 EDIT: MORE great sailing in Dragon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMVsNEwvX0 Last edited by NoBozo; 10-21-2016 at 07:41 PM.

10-27-2016, 06:45 PM	#12
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Think About This... A Longship similar to Dragon, was sailing the Atlantic at 10.5+knots......somewhere around 1000 AD. The Mayflower, sailed to America 600 years later (1620 AD) at maybe 4.0 knots. NB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XORSpUUy0lQ#t=2.221607 Note: That horizontal capstan (winch) that is used with the wooden "capstan bars", is the Main Halyard winch. It is used to hoist the sail and yard to whatever position (height) on the mast that is required for the wind conditions. Last edited by NoBozo; 10-27-2016 at 07:47 PM.

10-16-2016, 06:19 PM	#2
8gv Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,009 Thanks: 61 Thanked 701 Times in 455 Posts	The video of the ship underway shows some good speed. I suspect my ancesters would be pleased! The visit to the British Isles with the newly built ship likely generated a different reaction from the shore residents than the visits made centuries ago.

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10-18-2016, 03:53 PM	#5
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,035 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 1,515 Times in 984 Posts	1066 was the Battle of Hastings, I think. Right. I looked it up October 14, 1066.

10-18-2016, 11:10 PM	#7
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,035 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 1,515 Times in 984 Posts	OK. I thought it was an interesting date coincidence that Hastings was Oct 14, and this posting started on a similar date. Those old guys calendars were not always 100% accurate, and the mail was very slow in 1066. Nevertheless, the longship info was interesting as were the videos. Thanks for posting. Starting in 1950, there has always been a "Viking" in our family as a boat name. My paternal grandparents were both from Denmark. We appreciate the seafaring achievements of the Vikings.

10-22-2016, 06:31 PM	#11
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Some might wonder why I seem to be so passionate about the Sailing in these Long Ship videos. I have been there. Not on the Dragon Ship but in my own boat. Newport to Bermuda in 1979 and 1981. Solo. Fantastic sailing. Exhilarating to say the least. ...Memory's... NB

10-30-2016, 07:39 PM	#13
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	"Taking A Reef" When the wind picks up, you have to reduce sail. You may have noticed in the videos, the many little "strings" hanging from the sail in horizontal rows. These are "Reef Points". To take a reef, the sail area is shortened by rolling/tucking the sail up and tying it up in rolls with those strings..Reef Points. At the same time, the yard is lowered to get the sail area down closer to the deck.... Less healing moment..And OFF we go....Arguably, This is the fastest point of sailing...Reefed Down... and Close Hauled with a Good Breeze.. NB Last edited by NoBozo; 10-30-2016 at 08:10 PM.

11-02-2016, 07:41 PM	#14
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Ballast Sailboats ... are inclined to Tip Over..what with their sails pushing them to do so. SO: Sailboats have to have some kind of Ballast to counteract this tendency. Modern sailboats have a Weighted Keel hanging down below the boat to counteract this tendency. The Longship has no such keel. It is a shallow draft "skimming dish"..... That's why it is Fast. When I saw this boat at Mystic Seaport Museum, I noticed that the bilge, directly below the removable deck boards was pretty much filled with beach stones. No weighted Keel under this boat. The weight of the stones (ballast) keep the boat reasonably upright. NB More Info... you probably didn't need to know. NB

11-04-2016, 05:51 PM	#15
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Sailing In Salt Water... Offshore One of the crew members commenting in the last video, mentioned "Spray" on her clothes..not drying. This is totally true. When sailing offshore, spray comes aboard as droplets..OR Buckets..and lands on your clothes. When sailing in the Gulf Stream for example, (it's warm water) just sailing along at speed generates an effervescence from the sea and it settles on Everything. When the moisture evaporates, you still have salt crystals. They don't go away. The next time it gets humid, the salt brings back the wetness. The only way to solve this wetness problem is to wash the clothes in Fresh Water. Usually NOT an option at sea. Sailing on the Lake is different: Spray comes aboard..NO Problem. It's fresh water.. and will dry out shortly with no after effects. NB

11-04-2016, 06:18 PM	#16
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	Btw There are no Cabins or Staterooms below deck on this Longship. Nothing. There is "The Tent" ..at deck level, which may have a few bunks..otherwise the crew (34), lives, eats and sleeps On Deck. NB Last edited by NoBozo; 11-04-2016 at 07:00 PM.