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Old 04-25-2020, 08:48 PM   #1
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Exclamation Copy and Carry This—Proven Procedure

Urgent: We've been doing it wrong!

Eastern Virginia Medical School, Norfolk, VA, April 20th

With NO help from WHO and the CDC

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"The systematic failure of critical care systems to adopt corticosteroid therapy resulted from the published recommendations against corticosteroids use by the World Health Organization (WHO), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and the American Thoracic Society (ATS) amongst others."
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And HCQ recoveries "dissed" as anecdotal.

While one shouldn't get medical advice off the Internet, I'll be making a copy to carry with me—or to present with friend or neighbor experiencing early symptoms.

A full explanation—with diagrams—appears at the link:

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_publ...9_Protocol.pdf
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Old 07-27-2020, 06:15 PM   #2
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Red face Out Today...

Graph showing Worldwide Experience with this procedure:



(I'll have to figure out why it's not showing—OK, I've fixed it ).

Yale professor, Harvey Risch, in epidemiology announces total agreement in Newsweek. Data fully supports this regimen. "Hydroxycloroqin is the cure."

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535
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Graph showing Worldwide Experience with this procedure:



(I'll have to figure out why it's not showing).

Yale professor, Harvey Risch, in epidemiology announces total agreement in Newsweek. Data fully supports this regimen. "Hydroxycloroqin is the cure."

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535
Seems odd that this same theory was being bounced around months ago...why the hell hasn’t it been adopted as a cure? Because Fauci denounces it?
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Question Adding to the Chaos...

Website National File reports Twitter and YouTube have, last night, been pulling government officials' references to this treatment. ("Breaking news").

Some lesser-known sites' videos can still be found.

IDK.

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As the article points out politics has gotten in the way of it's wide spread use.

The science on this has been consistent for months .
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Tom Pappert is the editor-in-chief for National File. He has previously written for Big League Politics, has had bylines at Breitbart News, and is a regular guest on The Alex Jones Show. Seems like a legit news source.
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Some major red flags about the writer, such as being on the editorial board of the journal that published his study and his reliance on questionable/outright rejected studies.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hyd...em-to-kill-it/

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Some major red flags about the writer, such as being on the editorial board of the journal that published his study and his reliance on questionable/outright rejected studies.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/hyd...em-to-kill-it/

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The myths, misperceptions, folk tales, innuendos, pseudo science, tilted opinions, exaggerations . . . . . continue to live on . . . . .

Now what did I do with that container of bleach ?
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The myths, misperceptions, folk tales, innuendos, pseudo science, tilted opinions, exaggerations . . . . . continue to live on . . . . .

Now what did I do with that container of bleach ?
You drank it.
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Some people want to get life and death medical info from the likes of Breitbart News and Alex Jones. Then they ignore the advice of Dr. Fauci.

I guess in the long run Darwin will sort it out.
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Arrow When Darwin Can't Help...

Darwin won't have seen this graph from Newsweek:



The USA appears in the middle of the graph, as the HCQ regimen is successfully established in the US.

Moving to the right appear countries with common use of HCQ, which is heavily used in the Lupus and Malarial diseases located across the African Continent.

Countries in red have refused HCQ or, only recently, restored its use.

https://www.newsweek.com/key-defeati...pinion-1519535

Dr. Fauci had earlier dismissed the value of masks. Today, a misadjusted mask can cost you a $100 fine.

The Lancet had to retract a summer treatise dismissive of HCQ. A prestigious British medical journal, this retraction was utterly devastating to their subscribers.

Earlier, a pair of California ER doctors advocated the HCQ procedure. (We tried to show the video here). YouTube and Google pulled their video.

This week, 1000 doctors have signed an open letter regarding the proven efficacy of HCQ. YouTube, Twitter, and Google have pulled most of the sources in the last 24 hours.

New treatments cost $3000, and may need a followup. HCQ costs $10.

It just could be, that damaging our economy has not improved our chances.
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And the real American solution should be to let the patient decide, take it, or dont take it.

All this nay-saying and personal attacks accomplish nothing.

The politics and media games are polarizing an already divided country where personal choices are dwindling every day.

This is supposed to be a country of freedom and free choice, but between the orders, rules, laws, political bullying and media manipulation of information its starting to feel like different and not a better country.

Why anyone would stand between any patient and a medication that might help them is dumbfounding. And if it doesnt work, well sorry life is not perfect, at least they tried what they wanted.

How strange is it that too often the people who oppose even the dissemination of information about HCQ are also the ones waiting for the magical vaccine what will cure us all. I just dont get this strange divide and absolute all in one camp or the other.

Based on the current media information, this will either never end, or it is almost over.

Personally had enough and just going to do what I think is right, no more wasting time on all political and media nonsense. If someone things I am not conforming enough, or going too far, sorry, you can walk a wide berth around me.

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I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis.
The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve.

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Bigg, I totally agree with you. Advertising drugs is one of my pet peeves. It shows what our medical system has become.
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I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis.
The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve.
Well I'll totally jump on board for this statement.

We are a medication will fix everything culture.

What I personally find interesting is that I am up to 5 meds a day and "should" be on a 6th but I wont pay for it,,, And I feel no better for taking 4 out of the 5. Only one of my 5 meds actually provides me clear undeniable relief.

The others provide better lab results, but I "feel" no better and in truth, over the last 10 years doctors have provided little help for anything I complained about to them. Guess you cant really fix aging ;-)
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I wont go so far as to say I don't trust drugs--they've been a miracle for people with cancer, heart disease, AIDS, and hundreds of other conditions. There's no question that they've extended the lives of family members for every one of us.

But, even as a person who has spent decades in the industry, I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in.

Right after we roast these Big Tech guys!
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I don't trust any drugs or drug companies. They should never have been allowed to advertise their products on TV. They undermine doctors with their mis-information to line their pockets. People go to their doctors now and tell them what drugs they want after self diagnosis.
The drug problem in this country is worse than the virus. Everyone in this country is on some kind of drug. The side affects of most of these drugs are worse than the symptoms they are suppose to help relieve.
Well, at least we agree on something. You're absolutely right.
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I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in.
We are a capitalistic consumer-driven society; of course they are in it for the money.

We all are.
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I wont go so far as to say I don't trust drugs--they've been a miracle for people with cancer, heart disease, AIDS, and hundreds of other conditions. There's no question that they've extended the lives of family members for every one of us.

But, even as a person who has spent decades in the industry, I agree completely that the profit maximization, marketing/advertising, prescribing levels, and pricing have gotten WAY out of hand. They need to be reigned in.

Right after we roast these Big Tech guys!
I would hit thanks, but I think I have hit my limit.

So I will say I agree with all you said and Thank you for a better response then mine!

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Three simple facts:

(1) Harvey Risch is a CANCER specialist, not an infectious disease specialist. He has never conducted any study related to COVID-19.

(2) He has written one article about COVID-19, titled, "Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk Covid-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to the Pandemic Crisis." That title clearly conveys that this is not a scientific study, it's an OPINION piece.

(3) His piece in Newsweek is based on the above article. It was published in the OPINION section.

Hence his two opinion pieces only offer his personal interpretation of some studies on hydroxychloroquine. In order to judge the validity of his opinions you would need to pick apart questions like his expertise on this topic, which studies he chose to evaluate, what his criteria were for those choices, how the chosen studies fit in with all studies on HCQ, what aspects of the studies he chose to emphasize and why, whether his analysis holds up scientifically, and whether his past work and affiliations reveal anything about his personal values (scientific, political) that may have influenced his analysis. If you want to be thorough, you would then do the same for the studies that Risch chose: Are they valid? Peer reviewed? Etc. Unless you've done that I don't know how you could judge whether Risch's articles are valid.

Risch states in Newsweek, "I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications." This is only partially correct. His CV lists almost 400 publications. He was the primary author on only 25 of those (6%) and the sole author on only a few, in his younger days. He should have said, "I have coauthored." Why would he exaggerate his publication record?

I just spent the past hour reading about HCQ. All I was able to conclude was that there is a controversy surrounding HCQ that has both scientific and political aspects. I also noted that Yale University has not chosen to support Risch's opinion on HCQ. Thus far there hasn't been much response from scientists on his opinion pieces. As a nonscientist, I will need to wait to read more studies on HCQ and to hear from more scientists on whether it's an effective treatment for COVID-19. That seems like the logical thing to do for anyone who wants to know the truth about HCQ.
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Well, at least we agree on something. You're absolutely right.
I would also have thanked you, but again I have apparently hit my daily limit.

Sorry, I'll try to remember to com back later.

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Questions:

(1) What is the source of this graph? It doesn't appear in the Newsweek opinion piece. Please add a link for the chart.

(2) What exactly does the graph show? The title says "Country CFR by HCQ Usage." Does that mean (a) fatality rate in patients who received HCQ specifically for treatment of COVID-19? Or (b) COVID-19 fatality rate in countries that use HCQ for treatment of ANY illness (e.g.) malaria, regardless of whether the COVID-19 patient received HCQ or not? Or some other meaning?
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Cool MY Doctor Says Fauci is a Fraud!

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(1) What is the source of this graph? It doesn't appear in the Newsweek opinion piece. Please add a link for the chart.

(2) What exactly does the graph show? The title says "Country CFR by HCQ Usage." Does that mean (a) fatality rate in patients who received HCQ specifically for treatment of COVID-19? Or (b) COVID-19 fatality rate in countries that use HCQ for treatment of ANY illness (e.g.) malaria, regardless of whether the COVID-19 patient received HCQ or not? Or some other meaning?
Your question #2 has an abbreviated "Cliff Notes" version appearing below, with previous annotations described: https://aapsonline.org/wp/wp-content...020/06/cfr.jpg

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More support has appeared in the form of a court injunction to release government-stored huge quantities of HCQ.

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"AAPS files with the court a chart showing how countries that encourage HCQ use, such as South Korea, India, Turkey, Russia, and Israel, have been far more successful in combatting COVID-19 than countries that have banned or discouraged early HCQ use, as the FDA has. Last week the FDA even misled the public by falsely stating that HCQ should not be used to treat COVID-19, when multiple studies show its benefits, and thousands of patients have been successfully treated worldwide.

“The interference with public access to hydroxychloroquine is disrupting our political processes,” notes AAPS General Counsel Andrew Schlafly. “Perhaps that is what some want, in order to deter Americans from attending political conventions and even voting, but it is unconstitutional for the FDA to infringe on these constitutional rights by blocking access to this safe medication.”
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Member Newbiesaukee may know of my most recent doctor—Dr. Bruce Boros (ret.). Or Dr. Hyman Merlin of years past? Another, whose name escapes me, was a teaching doctor at the University of Miami. He put me on a life-long prescription of statins—starting with Mevacor—which has probably saved the day.

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So who should appear in favor of HCQ but my own erudite Florida medical specialist—above, now retired. (And thusly allowed to speak freely—a local print-newspaper reports this week):

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[We] spoke at length with Dr. Boros on July 29 and asked him to explain his statements about Big Pharma and Fauci, who has headed the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984 and has become the nation’s authority on the COVID-19 pandemic.

Dr. Boros, who was incensed by the vitriol of comments posted by former patients, neighbors and friends, repeated his accusation that Fauci is a fraud “because his NIAID is taking money from groups like Gilead Sciences, a drug company that makes remdesivir,” which, Dr. Boros said, is the only drug Fauci has endorsed by name.

“He’s never mentioned any other drugs that doctors in other countries are finding success with, including Ivermectin, which has been around for 40 years, only costs $4 a pill and is used to treat pinworms, lice and scabies in children, because there’s no money in Ivermectin for Big Pharma,” Dr. Boros told [this weekly]. “But I’m getting raked over the coals for wanting to try alternative medications that have been shown to work in people in other countries.”
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The zeal of SailingAway is appreciated, and details are certain to be thoroughly checked and researched.

To your question #1, the (missing) link to the graph you saw appears in post #1.

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Dr. Boros, on social media, apparently has a low opinion of Dr. Fauci!

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Cool MY Doctor Bruce Boros, above, Looked into Ivermectin...

Hospital Care Workers went from 30-40 infections a month to 1 or 2 with monthly doses of Ivermectin.

https://www.pharmaceutical-technolog...tudy-covid-19/

Good for dogs and horses too!

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